DVD Player Upwardconvertible question

holybanana · 12-26-2005, 06:23 PM

Hi everyone, I have a question about these Upward convertible DvD players. I have a mistubishi HDTV that is about 4 years old, so it doesnt have an HDMI input nor a DVI input. It using only the 3 component inputs that goes to the TV.

Here is my question:
Do I need to have HDMI inputs to my TV to benefit from the Upward conversion?
Will the DvD player upward convert using the three analog component inputs?
Thanks

leevitalone · 12-26-2005, 08:12 PM

DVI/HDMI carry a digital signal that is not changed. Comp. video however changes a digital signal to analog then back to digital. A DVd deck that up-converts a signal will not be useable for your tv. Your tv will up-convert what it needs to. The DVD players that up-convert are kind of useless because your tv will do the same thing. I would recomend you get a prog. scan DVD player that will give you the best possible P/Q. I have seen where only big screen Tv's benifit from Up-conversion DVd units anyway. I ran out and bought one without 1st doing my homework, and I still use my Prog scan deck. Want to buy one? with a DVI cable included! cheap!

holybanana · 12-26-2005, 09:54 PM

Thanks, but I do have a big screen TV. Its a pitty that I cannot use the DvD player because I only have component inputs into my TV. Looks like the older models ddidnt support the DVI and HDMI input format. Is there some type of converter for it?

borromini · 12-26-2005, 10:40 PM

I'm willing to bet that your Mits is a CRT RPTV which as an analog display has no benefit with HDMI/DVI to component adapters. Like the previous post, stick with a good prog-scan player.

Cygnus · 12-27-2005, 11:53 PM

I read that there are DVD players that can upconvert component video.

iserum · 12-27-2005, 11:58 PM

i don't recall upconverting player using compnent video nput it is always DVi/HDMI.

Chris Gerhard · 12-28-2005, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iserum

i don't recall upconverting player using compnent video nput it is always DVi/HDMI.

The players worth consideration in my opinion that upconvert all DVDs over component:

Zenith DVB318 or clone LG DV7832 with older firmware.
NeuNeo HVD2081 and HVD2085.
Samsung DVD-HD841, HD850, HD941 and HD950 requires simple remote control hack.

I have the NeuNeo HVD2081, Samsung DVD-HD950 and Zenith DVB318. The DVD-HD950 is the best in my opinion. I prefer upconversion even over component but the picture is slightly better over HDMI/DVI.

Chris

Chris Gerhard · 12-28-2005, 11:22 AM

I should mention the displays I have used upconversion over component are a Sony KV-30XBR910 and a Panasonic PTL-500U LCD projector. The 30" CRT benefit is very minor, the LCD projector slightly more so but still the difference with upscaling is not great even over HDMI/DVI but worthwhile for me.

Chris

leevitalone · 12-28-2005, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borromini

I'm willing to bet that your Mits is a CRT RPTV which as an analog display has no benefit with HDMI/DVI to component adapters. Like the previous post, stick with a good prog-scan player.

borrami, I do not mean to go off subject, but I watched a movie last nite and I was testing PQ. I must admit shutting off prog. scan did justice to the PQ! I have a Sony 34" HD W/S, with a JVC XV-SA76GD and it's always been a very good PQ. I went from 36" Sony to my WS 34HD. I have found recently that a lot of movies look much better with it off. Especially WAR of the Worlds. anyone else experience this? I also have a up-converting DVD deck, most movies look awful. I think my TV does a much better job of up-converting the PQ.

clint_os · 01-17-2006, 12:03 PM

The LG LDA-531 dvd player will output a 1080i signal over component cables... of course, it will not do this with a copy-protected disc, but this dvd player also has a LOAD of card slots, so any .vob .avi or .wmv file (on a card or burned to dvd) can be upconverted. I find there is a notable difference.

Now, this will probably trigger a controversy, since the main school of thought is that any signal sent over component video lines is upconverted by the tv to 1080i no matter what the input is.. Would I be right to say this is the reason that SD signals appear so crappy when viewed on a 1080i screen? So wouldn't feeding a 1080i signal from the dvd player to the comp inputs (instead of having the tv upcon for you) make more sense, in terms of PQ being at its best?

Chris Gerhard · 01-17-2006, 07:23 PM

I prefer having the DVD player upscale based on the player/display combinations I have seen. I have read there is a hack to enable the LG LDA-531 to upscale over component but I don't know what it is, I think the AVSForum has the information.

Chris

mfabien · 01-18-2006, 04:57 AM

My DVD player is configured to transmit 480i over Component (and not 480p) and my Toshiba displays this SD data in 540p. Can't see how upconverting 480i into 1080i (via digital connection) would be better than my 540p.

Chris Gerhard · 01-18-2006, 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfabien

My DVD player is configured to transmit 480i over Component (and not 480p) and my Toshiba displays this SD data in 540p. Can't see how upconverting 480i into 1080i (via digital connection) would be better than my 540p.

Maybe not with your display but some displays that accept an analog 1080i signal over component might look better. The mention of that possibility is probably for others benefit. This upscaling thing is very display and user dependent, many users with many different displays prefer it, others don't.

Chris

12-26-2005, 06:23 PM	#1
holybanana What is HD? Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2	DVD Player Upwardconvertible question Hi everyone, I have a question about these Upward convertible DvD players. I have a mistubishi HDTV that is about 4 years old, so it doesnt have an HDMI input nor a DVI input. It using only the 3 component inputs that goes to the TV. Here is my question: Do I need to have HDMI inputs to my TV to benefit from the Upward conversion? Will the DvD player upward convert using the three analog component inputs? Thanks

12-26-2005, 10:40 PM	#4
borromini HT Frontiersman Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Northern California Posts: 9,825	I'm willing to bet that your Mits is a CRT RPTV which as an analog display has no benefit with HDMI/DVI to component adapters. Like the previous post, stick with a good prog-scan player. __________________ "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"

12-27-2005, 11:58 PM	#6
iserum High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,955	i don't recall upconverting player using compnent video nput it is always DVi/HDMI. __________________ Panasonic 50PX80U/Pioneer BDP-51FD /Toshiba HD A1/Tivo HD SAMSUNG LNT-4661F/ Pioneer BDP-51FD/Dell XPS, Nvidia 9500 GT SONY BRAVIA 40V2500/40 GB PS3, WII, Intel Core 2 Duo with Nvidia 6800 Yamaha RXV1700 Def. Tech. Mythos III, V & Gems, Super Cube III Harmony Remote One Power Conditioner: Belkin PF40

01-17-2006, 12:03 PM	#10
clint_os High Def Hockey Fan Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brampton Age: 27 Posts: 1	The LG LDA-531 dvd player will output a 1080i signal over component cables... of course, it will not do this with a copy-protected disc, but this dvd player also has a LOAD of card slots, so any .vob .avi or .wmv file (on a card or burned to dvd) can be upconverted. I find there is a notable difference. Now, this will probably trigger a controversy, since the main school of thought is that any signal sent over component video lines is upconverted by the tv to 1080i no matter what the input is.. Would I be right to say this is the reason that SD signals appear so crappy when viewed on a 1080i screen? So wouldn't feeding a 1080i signal from the dvd player to the comp inputs (instead of having the tv upcon for you) make more sense, in terms of PQ being at its best? __________________ Samsung HCR 4351 1080i Monitor Rogers 3250HD box Panasonic 800W SC-HT15 5.1 Surround LG LDA-531 Up-con DVD player P4 3.2G 2MBcache 2Gig RAM Radeon X300 256MB Vid Card

01-18-2006, 04:57 AM	#12
mfabien High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,087	My DVD player is configured to transmit 480i over Component (and not 480p) and my Toshiba displays this SD data in 540p. Can't see how upconverting 480i into 1080i (via digital connection) would be better than my 540p. __________________ Samsung LN52B750, SA8300HD, Energy speakers, Yamaha RX-V540, SVS PB12-ISD, Harmony 880, HD-A1, BDP-1400, Oppo DV-970HD, Zektor HDS4.1

12-26-2005, 08:12 PM	#2
leevitalone dirty boy Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: upstate NY Posts: 752	DVI/HDMI carry a digital signal that is not changed. Comp. video however changes a digital signal to analog then back to digital. A DVd deck that up-converts a signal will not be useable for your tv. Your tv will up-convert what it needs to. The DVD players that up-convert are kind of useless because your tv will do the same thing. I would recomend you get a prog. scan DVD player that will give you the best possible P/Q. I have seen where only big screen Tv's benifit from Up-conversion DVd units anyway. I ran out and bought one without 1st doing my homework, and I still use my Prog scan deck. Want to buy one? with a DVI cable included! cheap!

12-26-2005, 09:54 PM	#3
holybanana What is HD? Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2	Thanks, but I do have a big screen TV. Its a pitty that I cannot use the DvD player because I only have component inputs into my TV. Looks like the older models ddidnt support the DVI and HDMI input format. Is there some type of converter for it?

12-27-2005, 11:53 PM	#5
Cygnus The Bringer of Balance Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,834	I read that there are DVD players that can upconvert component video.

12-28-2005, 11:22 AM	#8
Chris Gerhard High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 8,209	I should mention the displays I have used upconversion over component are a Sony KV-30XBR910 and a Panasonic PTL-500U LCD projector. The 30" CRT benefit is very minor, the LCD projector slightly more so but still the difference with upscaling is not great even over HDMI/DVI but worthwhile for me. Chris

01-17-2006, 07:23 PM	#11
Chris Gerhard High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 8,209	I prefer having the DVD player upscale based on the player/display combinations I have seen. I have read there is a hack to enable the LG LDA-531 to upscale over component but I don't know what it is, I think the AVSForum has the information. Chris