exchanged sammy DLP for sony LCD good choice

milehighbri · 04-20-2005, 02:30 PM

Well I finally got fed up with synch issue and rainbows popping in and out everywhere with my sammy.
Sammy blames synch issue on the broadcast companys and HTS but it was very obvious to me that it was the Sammy DLP tht had the problem. I noticed it almost all the time with HTS connected to DVD component cables but not at all with XBOX on diff input same cables and not much to not at all with standered SAT through Svideo.
I then but a sammy DVD 720p dvi cable player and tried again. Synch problem was less but still there. It was a prob with the tv. Maybe if i exchanged it the next set would have been better but after seing rainbows more and more I became aggravated with sammy and DLP. so purchased sony LCD KDF50we655 4days ago, connected my old toshiba dvd with component again and no audio synch issue right off the back. Dont get me wrong either Im not sony biased, i bought the sammy first bec told dlp pq better and it was cheaper by 400.00. My sony was a floor model and sound is dead on with an old dvd player you be the judge but i think sony has a better reputaion and probably make better video processors and have more product testing then sammy. When you buy a 2500.00 tv you shouldnt have any sound synch issues that crap should have been addressed before the product was sent to stores. And for sammy to try to pass the buck of blame to your dvd player or the tv networks is ridiculous. The sony I purchased is dead on with its sound synch with HTS, xbox or dvd and SAT so far seems ok too for standard signal. And by the way i was expecting the picture to look slightly less sharp as i was told dlp was better and it did look better in the store and i was ok with that but when i got the sony hooked up i was extremely surprised that it actually looked sharper with SAT then the sammy and no rainbows, thank god they were killing me, especially after a drink or two. If you dont see rainbow hope to god you never do bec i started seing them all the time. As far as SDE i think ive seen it but not much and not frustrating like DLP issues i had.

Not that i like looking for problems but is there any issues with LCD or this Sony model i should be looking for since it was a floor model that probably had many hours of use on it. I did buy the two year service that can be renewed for 300.00 in another two years. Im almost hoping ill get to replace it with a newer model then if i have issues with it. Gotta love those service plans sometimes.

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bajajack · 04-20-2005, 08:02 PM

You failed to mention which Samsung model you had!!

milehighbri · 04-21-2005, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bajajack

You failed to mention which Samsung model you had!!

i had the sammy 5063w newest model this year until newer ones are released

pjhin · 04-22-2005, 02:57 PM

LCD and Plasma won't last long and more troublesome, I read it from here http://www.digitalhomecanada.com/ind...=110&Itemid=55

DLP's PQ is superior to any other current TV technologies. No burn in. Retailer won't give you more than 3 years of extended warranty. But they will happy to offer even 5 year extended warranty for DLP TV sets. This will tell you something.

I don't know about exactly rainbow sound sync etc. I am watching HL-P5085W for three weeks now. I nticed a bit of sound sync , but not all the time I especially notice it from CP24. Also a bit of thin red outlined face of a person from certain TV shows when it(face) is bright. Other than tha n crystal clear.

I am going to call Samsung about those two tiny issues but i don't want to return my TV because of that.

daleb · 04-22-2005, 09:26 PM

Maybe things are different up North. Down here lots of folks get 4 or 5 year contracts on LCD and Plasma based sets.
I got a 4 year on my LCD rear projection that covers lamp replacement (at $200 a whack) and the warranty was $400.
Good deal, especially in light of the great price I also got on the display.
The article says nothing about the advancement in LCD as well as DLP and Plasma technology. Do you really believe that would be going on if they were not here to stay?
Granted, Samsung hit the floor first with the most popular non-CRT display for HDTV. And they should get praise for that.
But if you think plasma and LCD technology is on the way out, you better do some more reading.
This is not the only incidence about folks turning in DLPs for LCD sets. Not that it never happens the other around, but much less frequently in my reading experience on several forums like this.

I think some DLPs look fantastic. I favored the Toshs over the Sammys myself, but after doing some insightful tweaks on my Sony, I could not be happier. It's a personal decision anyway you look at it.
By the way, your set might benefit from some tweaks or a calibration. They all can, regardless of the technology.

azsol · 04-22-2005, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milehighbri

Well I finally got fed up with synch issue and rainbows popping in and out everywhere with my sammy.
Sammy blames synch issue on the broadcast companys and HTS but it was very obvious to me that it was the Sammy DLP tht had the problem. I noticed it almost all the time with HTS connected to DVD component cables but not at all with XBOX on diff input same cables and not much to not at all with standered SAT through Svideo.
I then but a sammy DVD 720p dvi cable player and tried again. Synch problem was less but still there. It was a prob with the tv. Maybe if i exchanged it the next set would have been better but after seing rainbows more and more I became aggravated with sammy and DLP. so purchased sony LCD KDF50we655 4days ago, connected my old toshiba dvd with component again and no audio synch issue right off the back. Dont get me wrong either Im not sony biased, i bought the sammy first bec told dlp pq better and it was cheaper by 400.00. My sony was a floor model and sound is dead on with an old dvd player you be the judge but i think sony has a better reputaion and probably make better video processors and have more product testing then sammy. When you buy a 2500.00 tv you shouldnt have any sound synch issues that crap should have been addressed before the product was sent to stores. And for sammy to try to pass the buck of blame to your dvd player or the tv networks is ridiculous. The sony I purchased is dead on with its sound synch with HTS, xbox or dvd and SAT so far seems ok too for standard signal. And by the way i was expecting the picture to look slightly less sharp as i was told dlp was better and it did look better in the store and i was ok with that but when i got the sony hooked up i was extremely surprised that it actually looked sharper with SAT then the sammy and no rainbows, thank god they were killing me, especially after a drink or two. If you dont see rainbow hope to god you never do bec i started seing them all the time. As far as SDE i think ive seen it but not much and not frustrating like DLP issues i had.

Not that i like looking for problems but is there any issues with LCD or this Sony model i should be looking for since it was a floor model that probably had many hours of use on it. I did buy the two year service that can be renewed for 300.00 in another two years. Im almost hoping ill get to replace it with a newer model then if i have issues with it. Gotta love those service plans sometimes.

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I have the have a Sony KDF-60XS955 and luv it.I think you`ll be very happy with it.Only problem I have is not enough HD content.I had Voom and despite limited channels the true Hd lineup were breathtaking!Now I have this monster Hd set and watching crappy limited Hd service from D* and mostly relying on my OTA HD...

milehighbri · 04-23-2005, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pjhin

LCD and Plasma won't last long and more troublesome, I read it from here http://www.digitalhomecanada.com/ind...=110&Itemid=55

DLP's PQ is superior to any other current TV technologies. No burn in. Retailer won't give you more than 3 years of extended warranty. But they will happy to offer even 5 year extended warranty for DLP TV sets. This will tell you something.

I don't know about exactly rainbow sound sync etc. I am watching HL-P5085W for three weeks now. I nticed a bit of sound sync , but not all the time I especially notice it from CP24. Also a bit of thin red outlined face of a person from certain TV shows when it(face) is bright. Other than tha n crystal clear.

I am going to call Samsung about those two tiny issues but i don't want to return my TV because of that.

Dont expect ant help from sammy theyll just play dumb and blame it on one of your other components like they did with me.
By the way you can get 4yr sevice on lcds at CC and you can renew it as well, niot sure where you heard thta one. DLP is great if they fix sound synch issue and rainbows but like everyone here said not evryone sees them therefore they probably wont fix the problems even though they are aware they exsist. Sammy just doesnt do they same amt of product testing that i beleive sony does before releasing its items to the public.

milehighbri · 04-23-2005, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daleb

Maybe things are different up North. Down here lots of folks get 4 or 5 year contracts on LCD and Plasma based sets.
I got a 4 year on my LCD rear projection that covers lamp replacement (at $200 a whack) and the warranty was $400.
Good deal, especially in light of the great price I also got on the display.
The article says nothing about the advancement in LCD as well as DLP and Plasma technology. Do you really believe that would be going on if they were not here to stay?
Granted, Samsung hit the floor first with the most popular non-CRT display for HDTV. And they should get praise for that.
But if you think plasma and LCD technology is on the way out, you better do some more reading.
This is not the only incidence about folks turning in DLPs for LCD sets. Not that it never happens the other around, but much less frequently in my reading experience on several forums like this.

I think some DLPs look fantastic. I favored the Toshs over the Sammys myself, but after doing some insightful tweaks on my Sony, I could not be happier. It's a personal decision anyway you look at it.
By the way, your set might benefit from some tweaks or a calibration. They all can, regardless of the technology.

I myself exchanged my sammy 5063w DLP for a sony lcd havent had any audio synch isses yet with sony and rainbows arer of course gone.

One thing i have noticed though is when scenes are very dark or black there is a dark blue area on screen, almost unnoticeble with lights on but at night with lights out it becomes much more evident especially bec its in the top middle portion of the screen abt 3" in diameter. The manual actually refers to something like this being normal but it doesnt seem possible, its not as bad as rainbows flashing at me but it seems it wouldnt bother me if it were off to left or right but right in the middle is bothersome.
Anyone know it there is anything that can be done? I havent gone back to the store to see if i would notice it on other LCDs yet but i will.

myers830 · 04-23-2005, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pjhin

LCD and Plasma won't last long and more troublesome, I read it from here http://www.digitalhomecanada.com/ind...=110&Itemid=55

DLP's PQ is superior to any other current TV technologies. No burn in. Retailer won't give you more than 3 years of extended warranty. But they will happy to offer even 5 year extended warranty for DLP TV sets. This will tell you something.

I don't know about exactly rainbow sound sync etc. I am watching HL-P5085W for three weeks now. I nticed a bit of sound sync , but not all the time I especially notice it from CP24. Also a bit of thin red outlined face of a person from certain TV shows when it(face) is bright. Other than tha n crystal clear.

I am going to call Samsung about those two tiny issues but i don't want to return my TV because of that.

Wow...LCDs and Plasmas don't last long....thats news for sure..!.....Yea, I want a TV that has lamps and fans and things spinning around in it. I have never heard of such nonsense. My Panasonic dealer of whom is a personal friend, told me that he won't have a plasma in his store...why I asked..."because I can't make a dime on repairs...they have no moving parts to replace and they run 10-15 years". I have had one for 4 years, and I just purchased a second. I also have a 53" Rear projection HDTV which already needed warranty work done on it (and is for sale). I think that article is the biggest bunch of BS I have seen in a long time.

daleb · 04-23-2005, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milehighbri

I myself exchanged my sammy 5063w DLP for a sony lcd havent had any audio synch isses yet with sony and rainbows arer of course gone.

One thing i have noticed though is when scenes are very dark or black there is a dark blue area on screen, almost unnoticeble with lights on but at night with lights out it becomes much more evident especially bec its in the top middle portion of the screen abt 3" in diameter. The manual actually refers to something like this being normal but it doesnt seem possible, its not as bad as rainbows flashing at me but it seems it wouldnt bother me if it were off to left or right but right in the middle is bothersome.

Your set is acting normal if you see a bluish tinge in the blackest area of a picture. The problem is it needs calibration. IF you have not run Avia, or DVE for calibrating the user controls, you need to do that first. It is not a cure-all but will fix or reduce several problem areas.
The most expensive fix is to have it professionally calibrated. The 2nd best, which I chose is to do some tweaks in the service menu.
I made substantial improvements in the picture.
Black levels can be a sore point with anything that is not CRT based. But they can be improved significantly with good adjustments.

leshabitants24 · 04-24-2005, 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milehighbri

Well I finally got fed up with synch issue and rainbows popping in and out everywhere with my sammy.
Sammy blames synch issue on the broadcast companys and HTS but it was very obvious to me that it was the Sammy DLP tht had the problem. I noticed it almost all the time with HTS connected to DVD component cables but not at all with XBOX on diff input same cables and not much to not at all with standered SAT through Svideo.
I then but a sammy DVD 720p dvi cable player and tried again. Synch problem was less but still there. It was a prob with the tv. Maybe if i exchanged it the next set would have been better but after seing rainbows more and more I became aggravated with sammy and DLP. so purchased sony LCD KDF50we655 4days ago, connected my old toshiba dvd with component again and no audio synch issue right off the back. Dont get me wrong either Im not sony biased, i bought the sammy first bec told dlp pq better and it was cheaper by 400.00. My sony was a floor model and sound is dead on with an old dvd player you be the judge but i think sony has a better reputaion and probably make better video processors and have more product testing then sammy. When you buy a 2500.00 tv you shouldnt have any sound synch issues that crap should have been addressed before the product was sent to stores. And for sammy to try to pass the buck of blame to your dvd player or the tv networks is ridiculous. The sony I purchased is dead on with its sound synch with HTS, xbox or dvd and SAT so far seems ok too for standard signal. And by the way i was expecting the picture to look slightly less sharp as i was told dlp was better and it did look better in the store and i was ok with that but when i got the sony hooked up i was extremely surprised that it actually looked sharper with SAT then the sammy and no rainbows, thank god they were killing me, especially after a drink or two. If you dont see rainbow hope to god you never do bec i started seing them all the time. As far as SDE i think ive seen it but not much and not frustrating like DLP issues i had.

Not that i like looking for problems but is there any issues with LCD or this Sony model i should be looking for since it was a floor model that probably had many hours of use on it. I did buy the two year service that can be renewed for 300.00 in another two years. Im almost hoping ill get to replace it with a newer model then if i have issues with it. Gotta love those service plans sometimes.

B

I just replaced my '98 Toshiba TW40F80. I researched for quite some time. The old Toshiba had component inputs but no progressive scan or hi-def. I ended up purchasing the Samsung HLP5085w. I must say I was looking for all those problems i have read here. It was fantastic right out of the box and when i set it up with the Avia DVD it was superb. I am thrilled so far.

milehighbri · 04-24-2005, 04:49 PM

its not the black levels tht bother me its a blue circle on the screen in the upper midddle area abt 3" in diameter its not all over the screen and its always in the same area when the screen fades to black or a scene is dark in tht area, do you realy think fine tuning can fix one area of the screen image?
Let me know, thx
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daleb · 04-24-2005, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milehighbri

its not the black levels tht bother me its a blue circle on the screen in the upper midddle area abt 3" in diameter its not all over the screen and its always in the same area when the screen fades to black or a scene is dark in tht area, do you realy think fine tuning can fix one area of the screen image?
Let me know, thx
B

If it is not due to some ambient light coming in the room, it is likely a defect then. Often, the difficulty is getting a tech to admit there is a problem. But if you bought the display locally, esp. from a large store (B&M, sears, etc.) they should be willing to do an exchange.

slex1 · 06-02-2005, 10:40 PM

I had the Samsung HLP 4663W and have to say that I was exceptionally disappointed with the sound when I tried to watch a DVD through my Home Theater. The audio and video didn't match up at all. That was when I had it hooked up to a Home Theater In a Box from Sony. Somebody told me that this is a common issue with HTIB so I bought a Harman Kardon AVR335 and found that I still had the synch issues. So...I set the delay, and it got better, but not quite good enough, when you consider that I had spent over $4000 on my home theater. I contacted the store I bought it from. They came out and adjusted the delay on the television, but it still wasn't right. Everything was like watching a Godzilla movie. So, I contacted Samsung, who denied having any knowledge of this problem. But they were going to send out a tech support guy. He showed up, took a look at it and said that this was a common problem on several models and nothing could be done about it. I contacted the store, who begrudgingly exchanged my tv for the Sony KDF50WE665. I received the tv today and haven't had any issues with audio synch. Woohoo. Stay away from the Samsungs.

iserum · 06-02-2005, 10:49 PM

my first choice was samsung too but after researching on internet i changed my mind and bought SONY, Lip sync is aproblem with samsung models if tv is connected to home theater system, people who have not connected to HT system did not notice it much. i use my HT when watching movie and sports so lip sync would been have major problem for me.

04-20-2005, 02:30 PM	#1
milehighbri How can anyone watch standard def? Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 26	exchanged sammy DLP for sony LCD good choice Well I finally got fed up with synch issue and rainbows popping in and out everywhere with my sammy. Sammy blames synch issue on the broadcast companys and HTS but it was very obvious to me that it was the Sammy DLP tht had the problem. I noticed it almost all the time with HTS connected to DVD component cables but not at all with XBOX on diff input same cables and not much to not at all with standered SAT through Svideo. I then but a sammy DVD 720p dvi cable player and tried again. Synch problem was less but still there. It was a prob with the tv. Maybe if i exchanged it the next set would have been better but after seing rainbows more and more I became aggravated with sammy and DLP. so purchased sony LCD KDF50we655 4days ago, connected my old toshiba dvd with component again and no audio synch issue right off the back. Dont get me wrong either Im not sony biased, i bought the sammy first bec told dlp pq better and it was cheaper by 400.00. My sony was a floor model and sound is dead on with an old dvd player you be the judge but i think sony has a better reputaion and probably make better video processors and have more product testing then sammy. When you buy a 2500.00 tv you shouldnt have any sound synch issues that crap should have been addressed before the product was sent to stores. And for sammy to try to pass the buck of blame to your dvd player or the tv networks is ridiculous. The sony I purchased is dead on with its sound synch with HTS, xbox or dvd and SAT so far seems ok too for standard signal. And by the way i was expecting the picture to look slightly less sharp as i was told dlp was better and it did look better in the store and i was ok with that but when i got the sony hooked up i was extremely surprised that it actually looked sharper with SAT then the sammy and no rainbows, thank god they were killing me, especially after a drink or two. If you dont see rainbow hope to god you never do bec i started seing them all the time. As far as SDE i think ive seen it but not much and not frustrating like DLP issues i had. Not that i like looking for problems but is there any issues with LCD or this Sony model i should be looking for since it was a floor model that probably had many hours of use on it. I did buy the two year service that can be renewed for 300.00 in another two years. Im almost hoping ill get to replace it with a newer model then if i have issues with it. Gotta love those service plans sometimes. B

04-22-2005, 09:26 PM	#5
daleb High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Clovis, CA Posts: 7,351	Maybe things are different up North. Down here lots of folks get 4 or 5 year contracts on LCD and Plasma based sets. I got a 4 year on my LCD rear projection that covers lamp replacement (at $200 a whack) and the warranty was $400. Good deal, especially in light of the great price I also got on the display. The article says nothing about the advancement in LCD as well as DLP and Plasma technology. Do you really believe that would be going on if they were not here to stay? Granted, Samsung hit the floor first with the most popular non-CRT display for HDTV. And they should get praise for that. But if you think plasma and LCD technology is on the way out, you better do some more reading. This is not the only incidence about folks turning in DLPs for LCD sets. Not that it never happens the other around, but much less frequently in my reading experience on several forums like this. I think some DLPs look fantastic. I favored the Toshs over the Sammys myself, but after doing some insightful tweaks on my Sony, I could not be happier. It's a personal decision anyway you look at it. By the way, your set might benefit from some tweaks or a calibration. They all can, regardless of the technology. __________________ Samsung PN50A650 plasma, Arcam AVR350, Dali Ikon6 (Vokal2&OnWalls), Outlaw Audio LFM-1EX sub, Anti-Mode 8033B, Oppo Digital BDP-83, Polk XM Tuner, Furman Elite power conditioner

06-02-2005, 10:49 PM	#15
iserum High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,955	my first choice was samsung too but after researching on internet i changed my mind and bought SONY, Lip sync is aproblem with samsung models if tv is connected to home theater system, people who have not connected to HT system did not notice it much. i use my HT when watching movie and sports so lip sync would been have major problem for me. __________________ Panasonic 50PX80U/Pioneer BDP-51FD /Toshiba HD A1/Tivo HD SAMSUNG LNT-4661F/ Pioneer BDP-51FD/Dell XPS, Nvidia 9500 GT SONY BRAVIA 40V2500/40 GB PS3, WII, Intel Core 2 Duo with Nvidia 6800 Yamaha RXV1700 Def. Tech. Mythos III, V & Gems, Super Cube III Harmony Remote One Power Conditioner: Belkin PF40

04-20-2005, 08:02 PM	#2
bajajack High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 31	You failed to mention which Samsung model you had!!

04-22-2005, 02:57 PM	#4
pjhin My plasma is High Def. Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 6	LCD and Plasma won't last long and more troublesome, I read it from here http://www.digitalhomecanada.com/ind...=110&Itemid=55 DLP's PQ is superior to any other current TV technologies. No burn in. Retailer won't give you more than 3 years of extended warranty. But they will happy to offer even 5 year extended warranty for DLP TV sets. This will tell you something. I don't know about exactly rainbow sound sync etc. I am watching HL-P5085W for three weeks now. I nticed a bit of sound sync , but not all the time I especially notice it from CP24. Also a bit of thin red outlined face of a person from certain TV shows when it(face) is bright. Other than tha n crystal clear. I am going to call Samsung about those two tiny issues but i don't want to return my TV because of that.

04-24-2005, 04:49 PM	#12
milehighbri How can anyone watch standard def? Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 26	its not the black levels tht bother me its a blue circle on the screen in the upper midddle area abt 3" in diameter its not all over the screen and its always in the same area when the screen fades to black or a scene is dark in tht area, do you realy think fine tuning can fix one area of the screen image? Let me know, thx B

06-02-2005, 10:40 PM	#14
slex1 Shameless Plug Goes Here! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 2	I had the Samsung HLP 4663W and have to say that I was exceptionally disappointed with the sound when I tried to watch a DVD through my Home Theater. The audio and video didn't match up at all. That was when I had it hooked up to a Home Theater In a Box from Sony. Somebody told me that this is a common issue with HTIB so I bought a Harman Kardon AVR335 and found that I still had the synch issues. So...I set the delay, and it got better, but not quite good enough, when you consider that I had spent over $4000 on my home theater. I contacted the store I bought it from. They came out and adjusted the delay on the television, but it still wasn't right. Everything was like watching a Godzilla movie. So, I contacted Samsung, who denied having any knowledge of this problem. But they were going to send out a tech support guy. He showed up, took a look at it and said that this was a common problem on several models and nothing could be done about it. I contacted the store, who begrudgingly exchanged my tv for the Sony KDF50WE665. I received the tv today and haven't had any issues with audio synch. Woohoo. Stay away from the Samsungs.