widescreen is not filling the screen

spyshot · 11-29-2006, 09:35 AM

i recently bought a samsung tx-s3080wh crt widescreen tv. i was excited to bring it home and put in a dvd on my dvd player. the movie i was playing is formatted in widescreen according to the case. i put the movie in, and put the tv on 16:9 ratio and was dismayed to see huge black bars on the top and bottom of the screen. i looked into it a little more and found that the dvd player's settings were setup for a 4:3 tv so i changed the player settings to 16:9. i played the same movie and the picture is better, but there are still black bars on top and bottom. they are fairly thin bars, but they're still there. according to the rep at samsung, this is normal, but i wasnt sure if he was trying to just give an easy answer.

so is he correct that i now have a widescreen tv and i'm still going to have bars????

thanks for any help
-spy

tommiwan · 11-29-2006, 09:38 AM

I believe this is normal (at least I hope it is) as I have the same situation.

mshulman · 11-29-2006, 09:42 AM

That is normal. Movies in theaters are not at your normal 16:9 - they differe slightly, so while some movies may have no black bars, others will have small ones and some slightly larger.

What I did find interesting last night is that Chronicles of Riddick was in HD on some movie channel. Comparing that to my HD-DVD, I of course had the black bars on the HD-DVD. What I didn't expect to see was that more content was visible on the broadcast version.

When they film, does the film have a different aspect ratio than the movie theater screens do?

360kid · 11-29-2006, 09:43 AM

Widescreen movies come in many aspect ratios. 2:35, 2:40, 1:85, 1:77.

A 16x9 widescreen set is actually equivalent to the 1:77 ratio. Therefore when a movie uses 2:35 or 2:40, which is the most common these days, you will still get black bars.

It is very annoying to me personally. Even if you purchase the $500 HD DVD player or the $1000 BluRay player, you still get black bars.

Go through your standard DVD collection and find movies that are "Widescreen" and have a 1:77 or a 1:85 ratio. These will fill the whole screen. You can find the ratio on the back of the DVD case at the bottom.

stchman · 11-29-2006, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by spyshot

i recently bought a samsung tx-s3080wh crt widescreen tv. i was excited to bring it home and put in a dvd on my dvd player. the movie i was playing is formatted in widescreen according to the case. i put the movie in, and put the tv on 16:9 ratio and was dismayed to see huge black bars on the top and bottom of the screen. i looked into it a little more and found that the dvd player's settings were setup for a 4:3 tv so i changed the player settings to 16:9. i played the same movie and the picture is better, but there are still black bars on top and bottom. they are fairly thin bars, but they're still there. according to the rep at samsung, this is normal, but i wasnt sure if he was trying to just give an easy answer.

so is he correct that i now have a widescreen tv and i'm still going to have bars????

thanks for any help
-spy

Since you did not tell us the movie title I will make some assumptions.

A great deal of movies are made in the 2.35:1 aspect ratio. Your HDTV has an aspect ratio of 1.78:1. This means that there will have to be some black bars at the top and the bottom to preserve the original aspect ratio.

This is the way the movie was intended to be watched. You can preform stretch, zoom, crop, etc. but you will only be degrading the PQ.

You will get used to watching movies in this fashion and you will soon prefer it.

stchman · 11-29-2006, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 360kid

Widescreen movies come in many aspect ratios. 2:35, 2:40, 1:85, 1:77.

A 16x9 widescreen set is actually equivalent to the 1:77 ratio. Therefore when a movie uses 2:35 or 2:40, which is the most common these days, you will still get black bars.

It is very annoying to me personally. Even if you purchase the $500 HD DVD player or the $1000 BluRay player, you still get black bars.

Go through your standard DVD collection and find movies that are "Widescreen" and have a 1:77 or a 1:85 ratio. These will fill the whole screen. You can find the ratio on the back of the DVD case at the bottom.

They are trying to preserve the OAR viewing. Anytime you alter the picture to fit a different viewing area you degrade PQ.

So you think since the players cost a lot of money they should "force" the picture to fit your TV aspect?

So if a movie is 2.35:1 you won't watch it?

Not all DVDs have the aspect ratio listed on the back of the box.

spyshot · 11-29-2006, 12:05 PM

to answer stchman's question...this particular move is the matrix. i noticed that it was in widescreen but i did not notice the ratio. i'll have to look when i get home.

thanks all for the very helpful info, i feel better!

-spy

stchman · 11-29-2006, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by spyshot

to answer stchman's question...this particular move is the matrix. i noticed that it was in widescreen but i did not notice the ratio. i'll have to look when i get home.

thanks all for the very helpful info, i feel better!

That is a WB title. WB does not indicate the AR on the box. I can tell you for sure that the AR is 2.35:1 for The Matrix.

You should see black bars at the top and bottom.

360kid · 11-29-2006, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by stchman

They are trying to preserve the OAR viewing. Anytime you alter the picture to fit a different viewing area you degrade PQ.

So you think since the players cost a lot of money they should "force" the picture to fit your TV aspect?

So if a movie is 2.35:1 you won't watch it?

Not all DVDs have the aspect ratio listed on the back of the box.

I'll still watch, but only because I have no choice. If there's a movie I want and it is 2:35 I still buy it. It just bothers me to have to stare at these bars all the time. I would personally prefere to degrade the PQ a bit inorder to fill the screen. I always hit the zoom button.

If I knew that all HD DVD's were 1:77 ratio or "filled the whole screen" I would go out and buy a player today. But since they don't, the $500 price tag is just not worth it to me.

I watched V for Vendetta in HD (downloaded from XBL), it looked nice but it didn't blow me away. It wasn't that much better than the DVD version. But if I had watched the HD version and they had taken the time to get rid of the black bars, Now they would have something, Now they would have enticed me a bit. But they didn't.

If 100% of the HDTVs in homes today are 1:78 AR, and 100% of HD DVD players are used on these sets. Then why not use the same ratio as the sets they are designed to be used with.

The days of only Videophiles and movie junkies ownig HDTVs is coming to an end. They are starting to show up in the Average home. I hate to burst your bubble but only videophiles and HD junkies care about preserving the original Aspect Ratio. The average person doesn't care, they just want the screen filled. Why do you think they stil make a full screen and a widescreen version of every movie.

spyshot · 11-29-2006, 12:41 PM

thanks stchman!

stchman · 11-29-2006, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 360kid

I'll still watch, but only because I have no choice. If there's a movie I want and it is 2:35 I still buy it. It just bothers me to have to stare at these bars all the time. I would personally prefere to degrade the PQ a bit inorder to fill the screen. I always hit the zoom button.

If I knew that all HD DVD's were 1:77 ratio or "filled the whole screen" I would go out and buy a player today. But since they don't, the $500 price tag is just not worth it to me.

I watched V for Vendetta in HD (downloaded from XBL), it looked nice but it didn't blow me away. It wasn't that much better than the DVD version. But if I had watched the HD version and they had taken the time to get rid of the black bars, Now they would have something, Now they would have enticed me a bit. But they didn't.

If 100% of the HDTVs in homes today are 1:78 AR, and 100% of HD DVD players are used on these sets. Then why not use the same ratio as the sets they are designed to be used with.

The days of only Videophiles and movie junkies ownig HDTVs is coming to an end. They are starting to show up in the Average home. I hate to burst your bubble but only videophiles and HD junkies care about preserving the original Aspect Ratio. The average person doesn't care, they just want the screen filled. Why do you think they stil make a full screen and a widescreen version of every movie.

When you convert a 2.35:1 DVD to 1.78:1 you lose information (approx 25%). You are only seeing 75% of the movie. You are no longer seeing the movie as the maker intended it.'

Are you one of those people "just fill my screen I don't care if the movie looks like crap or I am missing part of it"?

I hope that the makers of DVDs don't listen to the average Joe. If you want your precious screen filled no matter the cost to PQ then hit your "zoom" button on the TV.

FS SD DVDs are a horrible bastardization of movies and should be illegal as you lose up to 43% of the info.

Can you imagine watching Ben Hur (2.76:1) by filling your screen? You would lose approx 36% of the movie.

360kid · 11-29-2006, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by stchman

When you convert a 2.35:1 DVD to 1.78:1 you lose information (approx 25%). You are only seeing 75% of the movie. You are no longer seeing the movie as the maker intended it.'

Are you one of those people "just fill my screen I don't care if the movie looks like crap or I am missing part of it"?

I hope that the makers of DVDs don't listen to the average Joe. If you want your precious screen filled no matter the cost to PQ then hit your "zoom" button on the TV.

FS SD DVDs are a horrible bastardization of movies and should be illegal as you lose up to 43% of the info.

Can you imagine watching Ben Hur (2.76:1) by filling your screen? You would lose approx 36% of the movie.

Then maybe film makers should start filming movies in 1:78.

I don't really care about losing part of the picture, it's only the side stuff anyways. And I am not one of those people. I prefer to have the screen filled. What I would really love is to have the screen filled and get great PQ.

America doesn't care about Preserving any orginal whatever. America just wants to watch the damn movie; they could care less what the director intended. Most people don't even look at the bonus features or anything else. Most people can't stand seeing those black bars. My parents hate it when they rent a widescreen movie. I've even told them that they are actually getting to see more, they could care less, they still hate it. My Girlfriend is the same way, she can't stand bars either.

Only a fraction of people like yourself even give a squat about true ratio's, the VAST MAJORITY just want the screen filled.

BrianO · 11-29-2006, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 360kid

Only a fraction of people like yourself even give a squat about true ratio's, the VAST MAJORITY just want the screen filled.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

360kid · 11-29-2006, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianO

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

People on this forum care but this is a "HIGH DEF FORUM"

If people truly felt the way you do, then they would have stopped making Full Screen movies a long long time ago. If you go into a DVD store they still make a full screen version of virtually every single movie.

The older generations especially hate these black bars. Go ask your parents or grand parents what they think and then get back to me.

stchman · 11-29-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 360kid

People on this forum care but this is a "HIGH DEF FORUM"

If people truly felt the way you do, then they would have stopped making Full Screen movies a long long time ago. If you go into a DVD store they still make a full screen version of virtually every single movie.

The older generations especially hate these black bars. Go ask your parents or grand parents what they think and then get back to me.

There is a huge following for people preserving OAR of programming.

Full Screen DVDs are actually a lie as they only fill a 4:3 screen. The small sample of your GF, your mom and dad does not constitute the pulse of the HDTV viewing nation.

Yes, people are concerned with preserving OAR of films. There are numerous sites dedicated to this. I cannot find one site dedicated to fill my screen no matter what.

So when you are watching an epic war movie or other type that rely on widescreen cinematography the whole picture does not matter.

You are very uneducated about movie viewing.

The only thing worse than full screen DVDs are non anamorphic DVDs viewed on a widescreen TV.

Both FS and nonanamorphic DVDs should be illegal.

Directors and producers don't make films to cater to the whiny black bar haters of this world. Since over half of the Hollywood movies made are 2.35:1 or better then get used to it or keep hitting zoom on your remote. Don't subject people to modified aspect because you want to cry. That is why the zoom button was made on your remote.

11-29-2006, 09:35 AM	#1
spyshot My plasma is High Def. Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6	widescreen is not filling the screen i recently bought a samsung tx-s3080wh crt widescreen tv. i was excited to bring it home and put in a dvd on my dvd player. the movie i was playing is formatted in widescreen according to the case. i put the movie in, and put the tv on 16:9 ratio and was dismayed to see huge black bars on the top and bottom of the screen. i looked into it a little more and found that the dvd player's settings were setup for a 4:3 tv so i changed the player settings to 16:9. i played the same movie and the picture is better, but there are still black bars on top and bottom. they are fairly thin bars, but they're still there. according to the rep at samsung, this is normal, but i wasnt sure if he was trying to just give an easy answer. so is he correct that i now have a widescreen tv and i'm still going to have bars???? thanks for any help -spy

11-29-2006, 12:05 PM	#7
spyshot My plasma is High Def. Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6	to answer stchman's question...this particular move is the matrix. i noticed that it was in widescreen but i did not notice the ratio. i'll have to look when i get home. thanks all for the very helpful info, i feel better! -spy Last edited by spyshot; 11-29-2006 at 12:12 PM.

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11-29-2006, 09:38 AM	#2
tommiwan High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 44	I believe this is normal (at least I hope it is) as I have the same situation.

11-29-2006, 09:42 AM	#3
mshulman My Projector is High Def. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Marlborough, MA Age: 38 Posts: 7,089	That is normal. Movies in theaters are not at your normal 16:9 - they differe slightly, so while some movies may have no black bars, others will have small ones and some slightly larger. What I did find interesting last night is that Chronicles of Riddick was in HD on some movie channel. Comparing that to my HD-DVD, I of course had the black bars on the HD-DVD. What I didn't expect to see was that more content was visible on the broadcast version. When they film, does the film have a different aspect ratio than the movie theater screens do?

11-29-2006, 09:43 AM	#4
360kid Life Is Expensive Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 861	Widescreen movies come in many aspect ratios. 2:35, 2:40, 1:85, 1:77. A 16x9 widescreen set is actually equivalent to the 1:77 ratio. Therefore when a movie uses 2:35 or 2:40, which is the most common these days, you will still get black bars. It is very annoying to me personally. Even if you purchase the $500 HD DVD player or the $1000 BluRay player, you still get black bars. Go through your standard DVD collection and find movies that are "Widescreen" and have a 1:77 or a 1:85 ratio. These will fill the whole screen. You can find the ratio on the back of the DVD case at the bottom.

11-29-2006, 12:41 PM	#10
spyshot My plasma is High Def. Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6	thanks stchman!