HiImdrummer03

enmoco · 05-16-2006, 06:38 PM

I see that you are one who is compelled to see your posts online so you feel you must post on any and all threads. The fact your posts offer no real help to anyone does'nt seem to occur to you. Simply stating "Don't waste your money" or questioning someones sincerity or intelligence,only lets others see your ass.You feel compelled to answer everyone who poses a question, has an opinion, or,wants to just rant or vent,if you don't have anything relevant to add,just observe.You may not agree with me and thats okay.In the meantime,try actually posting some relevant answers in a manner that will actually help and not offend others. My .02....Your earlier posts aimed directly to me made me mad and for that I am sorry . I pointed out more of you ineptness than I should have and for this I am sorry.I will try to refrain from any further follow-ups.

HiImdrummer03 · 05-16-2006, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enmoco

I see that you are one who is compelled to see your posts online so you feel you must post on any and all threads. The fact your posts offer no real help to anyone does'nt seem to occur to you. Simply stating "Don't waste your money" or questioning someones sincerity or intelligence,only lets others see your ass.You feel compelled to answer everyone who poses a question, has an opinion, or,wants to just rant or vent,if you don't have anything relevant to add,just observe.You may not agree with me and thats okay.In the meantime,try actually posting some relevant answers in a manner that will actually help and not offend others. My .02....Your earlier posts aimed directly to me made me mad and for that I am sorry . I pointed out more of you ineptness than I should have and for this I am sorry.I will try to refrain from any further follow-ups.

I could give shizzle less about post count.You must worry about it since you had the urge to search my name and comment on all my postWhen i state something or give my opinion its my .02 The threads i dont really post in if i dont know,because no one knows everything.Thats why this is a forum to discuss and express opinions on certain things.No mateer what shape or fashion without cursing or lewdness.As for when i said "save your money" i can do that if i think paying more money for something that is really no different.When it comes down to making this post thats kinda immature.Doesnt really bother me though.If you want to tell me something just send me a PM.If i affended you somehow then sorry.Lets just keep the forums rolling.

braminator · 05-17-2006, 06:50 AM

Are we having fun yet? He he I just added another post to my profile.

HiImdrummer03 · 05-17-2006, 08:16 PM

lol at braminator..

toSH*Tba · 07-07-2006, 10:13 PM

An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He (and it is usually he) tries to start arguments and upset people.
Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.
Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.
Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think, "Surely there is something I can write that will change them." But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.

Why does it Matter

Some people — particularly those who have been online for years — are not upset by trolls and consider them an inevitable hazard of using the net. As the saying goes, "You can't have a picnic without ants."
It would be nice if everybody was so easy-going, but the sad fact is that trolls do discourage people. Established posters may leave a message board because of the arguments that trolls ignite, and lurkers (people who read but do not post) may decide that they do not want to expose themselves to abuse and thus never get involved.
Another problem is that the negative emotions stirred up by trolls leak over into other discussions. Normally affable people can become bitter after reading an angry interchange between a troll and his victims, and this can poison previously friendly interactions between long-time users.
Finally, trolls create a paranoid environment, such that a casual criticism by a new arrival can elicit a ferocious and inappropriate backlash.
The Internet is a wonderful resource which is breaking down barriers and stripping away prejudice. Trolls threaten our continued enjoyment of this beautiful forum for ideas.

What can be done about Trolls?

When you suspect that somebody is a troll, you might try responding with a polite, mild message to see if it's just somebody in a bad mood. Internet users sometimes let their passions get away from them when seated safely behind their keyboard. If you ignore their bluster and respond in a pleasant manner, they usually calm down.
However, if the person persists in being beastly, and seems to enjoy being unpleasant, the only effective position is summed up as follows:

The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.

When you try to reason with a troll, he wins. When you insult a troll, he wins. When you scream at a troll, he wins. The only thing that trolls can't handle is being ignored.

What Not to do

As already stated, it is futile to try to "cure" a troll of his obsession. But perhaps you simply cannot bear the hostile environment that the troll is creating and want to go away for a while.
If you do that, then for the sake of the others on the system, please do not post a dramatic "Goodbye!" message. This convinces the troll that he is winning the battle. There is, perhaps, no message you can write on a message system that is as damaging as an announcement that you are leaving because of the hostility that the troll has kindled.
If you feel you must say something, a discreet message to the system operator (and some of the others users, if you have their email addresses) is the best course of action. Incidentally, if you are writing the letter in an agitated state, it is a good idea to wait an hour and then give it one last review before you actually send it. That might spare you the pain of saying things that you don't really mean to people you like.

When trolls are ignored they step up their attacks, desperately seeking the attention they crave. Their messages become more and more foul, and they post ever more of them. Alternatively, they may protest that their right to free speech is being curtailed — more on this later.
The moderator of a message board may not be able to delete a troll's messages right away, but their job is made much harder if they also have to read numerous replies to trolls. They are also forced to decide whether or not to delete posts from well-meaning folks which have the unintended effect of encouraging the troll.
Some webmasters have to endure conscientious users telling them that they are "acting like dictators" and should never delete a single message. These people may be misinformed: they may have arrived at their opinion about a troll based on the messages they see, never realizing that the webmaster has already deleted his most horrific material. Please remember that a troll does have an alternative if he has something of value to say: there are services on the net that provide messaging systems free of charge. So the troll can set up his own message board, where he can make his own decisions about the kind of content he will tolerate.
Just how much can we expect of a webmaster when it comes to preserving the principles of free speech? Some trolls find sport in determining what the breaking point is for a particular message board operator. They might post a dozen messages, each of which contains 400 lines of the letter "J". That is a form of expression, to be sure, but would you consider it your duty to play host to such a person?
Perhaps the most difficult challenge for a webmaster is deciding whether to take steps against a troll that a few people find entertaining. Some trolls do have a creative spark and have chosen to squander it on being disruptive. There is a certain perverse pleasure in watching some of them. Ultimately, though, the webmaster has to decide if the troll actually cares about putting on a good show for the regular participants, or is simply playing to an audience of one — himself.

What about Free Speech

When trolls find that their efforts are being successfully resisted, they often complain that their right to free speech is being infringed. Let us examine that claim.
While most people on the Internet are ardent defenders of free speech, it is not an absolute right; there are practical limitations. For example, you may not scream out "Fire!" in a crowded theatre, and you may not make jokes about bombs while waiting to board an airplane. We accept these limitations because we recognize that they serve a greater good.
Another useful example is the control of the radio frequency spectrum. You might wish to set up a powerful radio station to broadcast your ideas, but you cannot do so without applying for a license. Again, this is a practical limitation: if everybody broadcasted without restriction, the repercussions would be annoying at best and life-threatening at worst.
The radio example is helpful for another reason: with countless people having a legitimate need to use radio communications, it is important to ensure that nobody is 'monopolizing the channel'. There are only so many clear channels available in each frequency band and these must be shared.
When a troll attacks a message board, he generally posts a lot of messages. Even if his messages are not particularly inflammatory, they can be so numerous that they drown out the regular conversations (this is known as 'flooding'). Needless to say, no one person's opinions can be allowed to monopolize a channel.
The ultimate response to the 'free speech' argument is this: while we may have the right to say more or less whatever we want, we do not have the right to say it wherever we want. You may feel strongly about the fact that your neighbour has not mowed his lawn for two months, but you do not have the right to berate him in his own living room. Similarly, if a webmaster tells a troll that he is not welcome, the troll has no "right" to remain. This is particularly true on the numerous free communications services offered on the net. (On pay systems, the troll might be justified in asking for a refund.)

Why Do They Do It?
Affirmation.
Regular net users know how delightful it is when somebody responds to something they have written. It is a meeting of the minds, which is an intellectual thrill, but it is also an acknowledgement of one's value — and that can be a very satisfying emotional reward.
Trolls crave attention, and they care not whether it is positive or negative. They see the Internet as a mirror into which they can gaze in narcissistic rapture.
If you want a deeper analysis than that, perhaps a psychologist can shed some additional light on the matter.

Conclusion

Next time you are on a message board and you see a post by somebody who you think is a troll, and you feel you must reply, simply write a follow-up message entitled "Troll Alert" and type only this: "Troll Alert"

HiImdrummer03 · 07-07-2006, 10:51 PM

Ok?

cheezz · 07-08-2006, 01:22 AM

....and what are we supposed to do with this post?

enmoco · 07-08-2006, 12:38 PM

ssssshhhh.Be vearwy,vearwy,quywatt.....

enmoco · 07-08-2006, 12:51 PM

http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm#WIAT ........*plagiarism strikes deep,into your heart it will creep*

enmoco · 07-08-2006, 01:02 PM

toSH*Tba ..........I can't imagine why no one takes you seriously.........

HiImdrummer03 · 07-10-2006, 09:25 PM

MMMkkk...This is retarded.

05-16-2006, 06:38 PM	#1
enmoco 1080p=WhereYaWannaBe Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 795	HiImdrummer03 I see that you are one who is compelled to see your posts online so you feel you must post on any and all threads. The fact your posts offer no real help to anyone does'nt seem to occur to you. Simply stating "Don't waste your money" or questioning someones sincerity or intelligence,only lets others see your ass.You feel compelled to answer everyone who poses a question, has an opinion, or,wants to just rant or vent,if you don't have anything relevant to add,just observe.You may not agree with me and thats okay.In the meantime,try actually posting some relevant answers in a manner that will actually help and not offend others. My .02....Your earlier posts aimed directly to me made me mad and for that I am sorry . I pointed out more of you ineptness than I should have and for this I am sorry.I will try to refrain from any further follow-ups. __________________ “I dont sell cars, I sell engines. The cars I throw in for free since something has to hold the engine” Enzo Ferrari 1898~1988 Tosh 56HM195/ Panny TH-50PX600U/Sharp LC46D64U-Moto 6416 DVRs/Tosh. HD-A1v2.4/HD-A2 v2.7 Last edited by enmoco; 05-16-2006 at 06:50 PM.

05-17-2006, 08:16 PM	#4
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07-07-2006, 10:13 PM	#5
toSH*Tba NEVER AGAIN Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 7	This has ENMOCOs name all over it- what an idiot! An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He (and it is usually he) tries to start arguments and upset people. Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish. Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility. Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think, "Surely there is something I can write that will change them." But a true troll can not be changed by mere words. Why does it Matter Some people — particularly those who have been online for years — are not upset by trolls and consider them an inevitable hazard of using the net. As the saying goes, "You can't have a picnic without ants." It would be nice if everybody was so easy-going, but the sad fact is that trolls do discourage people. Established posters may leave a message board because of the arguments that trolls ignite, and lurkers (people who read but do not post) may decide that they do not want to expose themselves to abuse and thus never get involved. Another problem is that the negative emotions stirred up by trolls leak over into other discussions. Normally affable people can become bitter after reading an angry interchange between a troll and his victims, and this can poison previously friendly interactions between long-time users. Finally, trolls create a paranoid environment, such that a casual criticism by a new arrival can elicit a ferocious and inappropriate backlash. The Internet is a wonderful resource which is breaking down barriers and stripping away prejudice. Trolls threaten our continued enjoyment of this beautiful forum for ideas. What can be done about Trolls? When you suspect that somebody is a troll, you might try responding with a polite, mild message to see if it's just somebody in a bad mood. Internet users sometimes let their passions get away from them when seated safely behind their keyboard. If you ignore their bluster and respond in a pleasant manner, they usually calm down. However, if the person persists in being beastly, and seems to enjoy being unpleasant, the only effective position is summed up as follows: The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls. When you try to reason with a troll, he wins. When you insult a troll, he wins. When you scream at a troll, he wins. The only thing that trolls can't handle is being ignored. What Not to do As already stated, it is futile to try to "cure" a troll of his obsession. But perhaps you simply cannot bear the hostile environment that the troll is creating and want to go away for a while. If you do that, then for the sake of the others on the system, please do not post a dramatic "Goodbye!" message. This convinces the troll that he is winning the battle. There is, perhaps, no message you can write on a message system that is as damaging as an announcement that you are leaving because of the hostility that the troll has kindled. If you feel you must say something, a discreet message to the system operator (and some of the others users, if you have their email addresses) is the best course of action. Incidentally, if you are writing the letter in an agitated state, it is a good idea to wait an hour and then give it one last review before you actually send it. That might spare you the pain of saying things that you don't really mean to people you like. When trolls are ignored they step up their attacks, desperately seeking the attention they crave. Their messages become more and more foul, and they post ever more of them. Alternatively, they may protest that their right to free speech is being curtailed — more on this later. The moderator of a message board may not be able to delete a troll's messages right away, but their job is made much harder if they also have to read numerous replies to trolls. They are also forced to decide whether or not to delete posts from well-meaning folks which have the unintended effect of encouraging the troll. Some webmasters have to endure conscientious users telling them that they are "acting like dictators" and should never delete a single message. These people may be misinformed: they may have arrived at their opinion about a troll based on the messages they see, never realizing that the webmaster has already deleted his most horrific material. Please remember that a troll does have an alternative if he has something of value to say: there are services on the net that provide messaging systems free of charge. So the troll can set up his own message board, where he can make his own decisions about the kind of content he will tolerate. Just how much can we expect of a webmaster when it comes to preserving the principles of free speech? Some trolls find sport in determining what the breaking point is for a particular message board operator. They might post a dozen messages, each of which contains 400 lines of the letter "J". That is a form of expression, to be sure, but would you consider it your duty to play host to such a person? Perhaps the most difficult challenge for a webmaster is deciding whether to take steps against a troll that a few people find entertaining. Some trolls do have a creative spark and have chosen to squander it on being disruptive. There is a certain perverse pleasure in watching some of them. Ultimately, though, the webmaster has to decide if the troll actually cares about putting on a good show for the regular participants, or is simply playing to an audience of one — himself. What about Free Speech When trolls find that their efforts are being successfully resisted, they often complain that their right to free speech is being infringed. Let us examine that claim. While most people on the Internet are ardent defenders of free speech, it is not an absolute right; there are practical limitations. For example, you may not scream out "Fire!" in a crowded theatre, and you may not make jokes about bombs while waiting to board an airplane. We accept these limitations because we recognize that they serve a greater good. Another useful example is the control of the radio frequency spectrum. You might wish to set up a powerful radio station to broadcast your ideas, but you cannot do so without applying for a license. Again, this is a practical limitation: if everybody broadcasted without restriction, the repercussions would be annoying at best and life-threatening at worst. The radio example is helpful for another reason: with countless people having a legitimate need to use radio communications, it is important to ensure that nobody is 'monopolizing the channel'. There are only so many clear channels available in each frequency band and these must be shared. When a troll attacks a message board, he generally posts a lot of messages. Even if his messages are not particularly inflammatory, they can be so numerous that they drown out the regular conversations (this is known as 'flooding'). Needless to say, no one person's opinions can be allowed to monopolize a channel. The ultimate response to the 'free speech' argument is this: while we may have the right to say more or less whatever we want, we do not have the right to say it wherever we want. You may feel strongly about the fact that your neighbour has not mowed his lawn for two months, but you do not have the right to berate him in his own living room. Similarly, if a webmaster tells a troll that he is not welcome, the troll has no "right" to remain. This is particularly true on the numerous free communications services offered on the net. (On pay systems, the troll might be justified in asking for a refund.) Why Do They Do It? Affirmation. Regular net users know how delightful it is when somebody responds to something they have written. It is a meeting of the minds, which is an intellectual thrill, but it is also an acknowledgement of one's value — and that can be a very satisfying emotional reward. Trolls crave attention, and they care not whether it is positive or negative. They see the Internet as a mirror into which they can gaze in narcissistic rapture. If you want a deeper analysis than that, perhaps a psychologist can shed some additional light on the matter. Conclusion Next time you are on a message board and you see a post by somebody who you think is a troll, and you feel you must reply, simply write a follow-up message entitled "Troll Alert" and type only this: "Troll Alert"

07-07-2006, 10:51 PM	#6
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07-08-2006, 01:22 AM	#7
cheezz High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 938	....and what are we supposed to do with this post? __________________ Word for today is "LEGS" Now go and spread the word ================== Sony LCD KDL32XBR6 Moto DCT 3416 I Sony LCD KDL46XBR2 Moto DCH-3416, Panny BD55/Tosh HD-XA2 Xbox 360 Elite My New Year's Resolution is 1920 x 1080

05-17-2006, 06:50 AM	#3
braminator High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 95	Are we having fun yet? He he I just added another post to my profile.

07-08-2006, 12:38 PM	#8
enmoco 1080p=WhereYaWannaBe Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 795	ssssshhhh.Be vearwy,vearwy,quywatt..... __________________ “I dont sell cars, I sell engines. The cars I throw in for free since something has to hold the engine” Enzo Ferrari 1898~1988 Tosh 56HM195/ Panny TH-50PX600U/Sharp LC46D64U-Moto 6416 DVRs/Tosh. HD-A1v2.4/HD-A2 v2.7

07-08-2006, 12:51 PM	#9
enmoco 1080p=WhereYaWannaBe Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 795	http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm#WIAT ........plagiarism strikes deep,into your heart it will creep __________________ “I dont sell cars, I sell engines. The cars I throw in for free since something has to hold the engine” Enzo Ferrari 1898~1988 Tosh 56HM195/ Panny TH-50PX600U/Sharp LC46D64U-Moto 6416 DVRs/Tosh. HD-A1v2.4/HD-A2 v2.7

07-08-2006, 01:02 PM	#10
enmoco 1080p=WhereYaWannaBe Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 795	toSHTba ..........I can't imagine why no one takes you seriously......... __________________ “I dont sell cars, I sell engines. The cars I throw in for free since something has to hold the engine”* Enzo Ferrari 1898~1988 Tosh 56HM195/ Panny TH-50PX600U/Sharp LC46D64U-Moto 6416 DVRs/Tosh. HD-A1v2.4/HD-A2 v2.7

07-10-2006, 09:25 PM	#11
HiImdrummer03 XBR 4 Life Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 369	MMMkkk...This is retarded. __________________ (Big Room) KDS-R60XBR1 Def Tech BP 7002 Def Tech C/L/R 2300 Def Tech Mythos Gems and matching stands Denon AVR-1907 Panamax 5100EX Sony 70 Series Upconvert (Bedroom) KDL-V32XBR1 Harmony 880 (bothrooms) XBox360 and Slim PS2 HHGregg Salesman(Knoxville,TN)

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