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Old 03-07-2005, 08:48 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by MartiniSlacker
(This has been a very informative forum, thanks to all those who have submitted.... this problem must lend itself to group therapy)

Here's my question:

I have read a few forums for suggestions on how to use my $3500 (7 years ago) "High Def Ready" TV to actually receive High Def. You'd think for that money that Mits would make this easy, but they don't. Then I realized if anyone has a vested interest in seeing me use and pay for HDTV, especially as I am ready to plunk down a grand on a high def DVR, it would be DirectTV, not Mitsubishi. I've read some on Key Digital's Component to VGA, then VGA to 5-pin BNC breakdown approach. What I'm trying to find out is there any DirecTV HD receiver/dvr that will go direct to a RGBHV (BNC connector), or at least VGA out, so I don't have to also buy the $300 Key Digital converter, just a VGA to BNC cable. Thanks!
There are no DVR receivers that I'm aware of that offer VGA out (since there is only 1 HD-DVR currently, the Tivo), but the RCA DTC210 and Samsung HD receivers do include a VGA out which will work with a simple $20 bNC breakout cable. DTV is scrapping Tivo by the end of the year and will release their own DVR (based upon the products they make/sell in the European market); whether it will include VGA is unknown, but I'd guess it's doubtful since that option has given way to DVI/HDMI.

Your LAST option might be (and I'm not sure of this) to use HDMI to DVI, followed by DVI to VGA (an adaptor for DVI to VGA is included in most Mac Powerbook sales, but I don't know if the 'work' is done in the adaptor or the computer). The Tivo has HDMI, so if you could get than converted to 30hz VGA you could then break out that signal to BNC...Unlikely, but an interesting experiment.
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Old 03-07-2005, 01:28 PM   #47
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hi all, another confused mits owner here. trying to get this all straight so forgive me if i'm repeating too much.

i have the mits 50803 and have never had any hd equipment/converters attached. i'm tired of not having the functionality so i'm going to make whatever leap is required to get it.

i understand that i need to buy the hd15>rbghv breakout cable and the key digital converter. no problem there.

questions are:
- is that all i need to do?
- do i have to make sure that any hd receiver i get has the option for choosing 1080i output only - or do they all have this option?
- does anyone know if the comcast hd/dvr box will work with this setup? (i think comcast uses the motoral DCT6208 box)
- has anyone found a way to make progressive scan dvd players work on this set? if so, what brands, converters, etc. are required?

thanks for any info.

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Old 03-07-2005, 03:25 PM   #48
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david: i was going to be the guinea pig and buy the key "adapter" but if you go first let me know if it works with component output like on my dish 811 hd receiver. i would think any hd receiver (dvr or no dvr) with component outputs would work with the key unit. ask them if it is not compatible with your hd receiver. i am anxious to see if the key box will work as advertised. as for progressive dvd players with our vs50803 i have not found any way to make it work in progressive scan as the dvd component inputs of vs 50803 are not of the "wideband" type of the newer sets. i think we are screwed here. i would replace the set but it fits in a custom area and my lady friend won't allow me to replace the mitsu. i think all hd receivers will have 1080i (my dish 811 has this) so in my opinion this should not be a problem. make sure key will take back the adapter if it does not work with your receiver. mitsu parts has yet to credit me on my credit card for the first rbg-cv10 which i returned in jan. then i am to get credit for the second box returned in feb. this is a nightmare so i want to get my money back before buying the key box. mitus is shafting us to pay for these adapter boxes in the first place!!!
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Old 03-08-2005, 07:50 PM   #49
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ok, well what i don't understand is this:

if i can get an hd box that outputs 1080i, hook it to the key adapter/breakout combo and have that work on the tv. why can't i get a p-scan dvd player that outputs 1080i, hook it up using the same combo and have that work. i mean a 1080i signal is the same regardless of whether it's coming from an hd receiver or a p-scan dvd player, right?

if that would work, then you could get a switch and go between the two (given that the tv only has one input place for the hd signal)

what's wrong with this plan? too logical for this mitsu piece of crap?

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Old 03-08-2005, 08:08 PM   #50
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Progressive scan DVD is 480p EDTV, not even close to either format of HDTV.
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Old 03-08-2005, 08:38 PM   #51
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but zenith and samsung both make progressive scan dvd players that output 1080i. would it still be the wrong format (edtv vs. hdtv)?
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Old 03-09-2005, 05:07 PM   #52
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david: give up on ever seeing progressive scan dvd (input is only interlaced mode) or 1080i dvd (dvd is 480i or 480p if you could do progressive scan) on our old sets. i have my dvd set on interlaced mode and it really looks fine to me. i don't think i could notice the difference. let me know how the kd adapter works. jack
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Old 03-27-2005, 04:25 PM   #53
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I have a Mitsubishi 65903 and the 811 box. I recently purchased the Key Digital CTCA3 to convert the components from the sat box to RGBHV for the TV. I set the 811 to 1080i, hooked up all the cables, and plugged in the CTCA3, then turned on the TV. I set the DTV to HD (menu 1-3-7-0). Now, I get diagonal lines running across the screen and I can see a little bit of the picture in between the lines.

The two switches on the CTCA3 are set to the ON (up) position.

Anyone have any ideas on how to get this to work so I can watch my tv in HD?

Thanks,
Tim
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Old 03-27-2005, 05:40 PM   #54
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tim: GOOD GRIEF! i have ordered the kd box to be delivered here fri and now you can't get yours to work!! i guess it did not work on "auto" mode when you hooked it up so you went in and changed to hd in the service menu? also i assume you are using the 5 bnc cable (not just a 3 bnc cable). i ordered the cable from key with the kd box. in any event the sales guy said there is 30 days to return it. did you call them back to see if they can help? are we doomed to no HD on these old first generation sets? surely mitsu should help us but i have had no luck as they are now telling us to buy the kd box so if it does not work what is next? it sounds like the picture might be "out of sync"? the last 2 bnc cables are the sync cables according to the guy at key. no customers should have to go thru this to get a hd picture. i have dish 811 also of course. i am no tv guru and i just want it to work in hd. jack
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Old 03-27-2005, 07:23 PM   #55
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but zenith and samsung both make progressive scan dvd players that output 1080i. would it still be the wrong format (edtv vs. hdtv)?
You can't have a PROGRESSIVE player that outputs in 1080 INTERLACE. Then it's not progressive!

They don't have DVI or HDMI inputs for the upconverted signal, and would have the same issue with other component outputs.
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Old 03-27-2005, 09:04 PM   #56
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my "progressive scan" dvd player does not work in "progressive mode on my tv. it does work in regular (interlaced?) mode. i assume the inputs do not accept a progressive signal when thedvd player is set to progressive.
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Old 03-28-2005, 09:02 AM   #57
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Jack,
I have not called Key yet, as I hooked everything up yesterday. I didn't think they'd be open on Easter.

Here's the setup:

811 -> YPbPr component cables -> KDCTCA3 -> VGA-5BNC cable -> TV.

I set the 811 to 1080i. Turned it off. Set the DTV to HD on the TV. Shut that off. Hooked everything up in the above mentioned order. Plugged in the KD unit's AC adapter. Turned on the TV and the Dish, switched to the correct input, and the diagonal bars showed up. I didn't touch either of the two switches on the KD unit.

I thought I'd check on this forum first, before calling KD.

I'll keep you posted.

Tim
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Old 03-28-2005, 02:39 PM   #58
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tim: you did everything correct i think. i guess that's what the instructions said to do. so i have to look forward to the same thing on my vs50803 when th box is received here. i am going to call mitsu service and get address to write a letter telling them they sold a tv that is unable to get hd signals. then tell them to come up with a solution or i will sue (maybe a class action) on behalf of all owners of these sets who cannot get a hd picture using a common hd receiver. let me know outcome with key service. the sales rep i talked to said that this box would positively work with mitsu sets as their ad said. i still can't believe someone has not come up with an answer for this problem. i still think we should not have to pay for the adapter even if it does work.
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Old 03-29-2005, 10:25 AM   #59
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Jack - please let us know when you get the key digital box and if it works on your tv. I've been watching ebay to buy one and have missed out on a few at $150-175 and then there have been a few that sold for more than friggin retail! I'm now thinking of just ordering it from an online vendor. Where did you buy yours from that you are getting the 30 day return policy?

Thanks -bob
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Old 03-30-2005, 03:05 PM   #60
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rw: i bought mine from key for the full $299. they said if it does not work i have 30 days to send back. pilot tim has had no luck with his box so i am not sure mine will work either. i am not an ebay person so never thought to buy one there but since i doubt it will work paying $299 with the return policy is OK. i just want HD on this old mitsu set. if this does not work i am writing to mitsu home office to see why they can't get these sets to display HD with a dish 811 hd receiver. i will post result of the key box as soon as received. probably have tried it by tuesday. so keep checking next week for the outcome. jack
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