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Old 12-26-2006, 04:51 AM   #1
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I am debating on a rear projection DLP or XBR 2 TV vs a front projection. I like the XBR2 (Sony's SXRD/LCOS) picture the best out of all types of pictures I have seen.

Does the Sanyo PLV-Z5 have that WOW factor like the XBR2?

I want a front projection since I can project a larger image, but the bulbs don't last nearly as long as a Sony rear projection. Sony's bulbs really do last 4000 - 6000 hours. Most people say that Sanyo PLV-Z5 bulb will only last 1000-2000 hours!

I am also debating about buying a front projector and a cheaper LCD or DLP TV to go with it, so I can use the other TV's for normal viewing.
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Old 12-26-2006, 09:50 AM   #2
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I'm biased to front projectors since they don't have key PQ limitations an RPTV has. No viewing angle limitations and no glare reflections like what one gets with RPTV screens. The Z5 would provide plenty of WOW factor not possible with the XBR2...mainly a more immersive theater experience with a 100" image. This just isn't possible with an RPTV.

It's important that you have a well-setup environment for a front projector. Read the Projector Central review of the Z5. Ambient light control is key. Check out the lens size/throw calculator to see how big of an image do you get in your room and what kind of mounting is ideal...ceiling, shelf or cart. Your screen selection is key as well and should be based on your ability to control ambient light.

As for lamp life, not sure where you heard the 1k to 2k hours of use since the Z5 hasn't been out long enough for anyone to truly know. The Z3 and Z4 predecessors average around 3k hours. That's about 3 years of normal use in eco-mode, which is what you should have your lamp set to at all times.

The idea of a TV to use for "normal" programming is a great idea. I do that myself and it helps keep the lamp last for closer to 4 to 5 years. The front projector is ideal for HD programs like movies and major sporting events. Then use the TV for normal programs that may or may not be in HD. An inexpensive flat panel may be more ideal than an RPTV since you can wall mount it and it's completely out of the way when you pull down the screen to use the Z5.

Let me know if you have any other questions...happy to help.
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Which projector do you like the best for under 2K?
Would you say the Z5 is one of the best?
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The Z5 is one of the best 720p projectors for under $2k. Other projectors that I consider to be as good are the Panasonic AX100U (LCD), Epson Cinema 550 (LCD), Mitsubishi HD1000U (DLP) and Samsung SP-H710AE (DLP). Another that should be given serious consideration but is between $2k / $3k is the Optoma HD7100 (DLP).

My two favorites are the Z5 and AX100U, but any of the others might be just as good for your room and budget.
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Have you seen how good an XBR2 looks with a blu-ray feed?
I just have trouble believing a 1.8K front projector can match that PQ.
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I've fed an HD-DVD signal to my Sony HS20 front projector and the Sony RPTV can't compete. We're talking about a 102" image of high definition image that makes the RPTV pale in comparison.
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Does the Sony HS20 have a better image than the Sanyo PLV-z5?
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Image size and image PQ are very different things though. Sure the larger image is more immersive, but this does not mean the image quality is better.

I saw a Sony projector in a fairly dark room, and it was nowhere near the quality of an XBR2. It did not have the WOW factor of the XBR2.

The problem seems to be the contrast and brightness. Even though some of these projectors report 6000:1 or higher contrast ratios, they seem to lose some of their contrast from their own light that is projected. I think the contrast of RPTV's blows them away. CNET states contrast is the number 1 most important thing for PQ.
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I think the only projectors that can compete with the XBR2 cost more than 3K just for the projector. I could be wrong, I haven't seen enough projector setups, but there isn't very many places to look at them either.
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Does the Sony HS20 have a better image than the Sanyo PLV-z5?
No...the Z5 is far superior to the HS20 with more advanced features like an aperature iris that creates incredible contrast.
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Image size and image PQ are very different things though. Sure the larger image is more immersive, but this does not mean the image quality is better.

I saw a Sony projector in a fairly dark room, and it was nowhere near the quality of an XBR2. It did not have the WOW factor of the XBR2...
I've seen dozens of projectors in action and there are models that can provide great PQ. You don't have to sacrifice PQ for a larger image. The downside is that it's hard to see demo's of these displays as they're not readily available for viewing at your typical B&M electronics super stores. If you have a local A/V shop, you may be in luck. However, many of us PJ owners rely on reputable sites like Projector Central to provide the us the info we need. While the XBR2 is a very impressive RPTV, I just don't see it competing with PJs that provide great PQ at larger sizes for less cost.
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I think the only projectors that can compete with the XBR2 cost more than 3K just for the projector. I could be wrong, I haven't seen enough projector setups, but there isn't very many places to look at them either.
I disagree...there are PJ's that cost $3k or slightly less that can compete with the XBR2's PQ. PJ's that cost between $3k and $5k actually surpass the PQ of the XBR2, not to mention at a larger size with no viewing angle limitations.

Bottom line is that you need to decide if you have the meddle to deal with front projectors. They require more effort to setup and calibrate than RPTVs, but IMO, the benefits from front projectors far outweigh this added effort.

Nothing wrong with going with RPTV if that's what you're most comfortable with. However, I'm a firm advocate of front projectors from experience and RPTVs and flat panels can't compete with the immersive theater quality front projectors provide...and you don't have to sacrifice PQ.
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Thanks very much for the help so far borromini. It is very helpful.

Here is a more important question:
I can get the Sanyo Z5 for $1,700 or so shipped with a screen.

I like the Panasonic PTAX-100U (2000 lumens), but it's just not as clear as the Z5 (1100 lumens).

Is there a projector in the 2K - 3K range that has the crispness/contrast of the Z5, but has more lumens?
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I ended up ordering the Sanyo Z5 from Visual Apex. It came with a free 1-year GE warranty + the Sanyo 3 year, so I am double covered should I have issues with the Sanyo warranty service.

I also bought the extended 3-year lamp warranty for an extra $99.

The total came out to $1,649 - $200 rebate = $1,449

I think that is a steal for a projector of this caliber. I will buy the screen after I figure out if the picture is bright enough for me (if I need more gain on a screen), and after I figure out how big of a screen I want.

I will be sitting 11' to 13' away from the screen. I can make the throw distance anywhere from 10' to 20' or so.

What throw distance do you recommend and what type of screen?
I want to stay under $200 for the screen, under $120 if possible.

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Congrats...I think you'll be happy with the Z5...that's a fantastic deal and the lamp warranty is worth it. My brother has the Z4 and has been enjoying it tremendously.

Rule #1: You should do everything possible to set the PJ at a distance where by you require no lens zooming or lens shifting whatsoever. According to the Z5's projection calculator on Projector Central, you get a 100" size image at 20' distance. This is their recommended position and I would agree as it keeps the cone of light very narrow, providing the best possible PQ. You can easily go down to 92" to 96" to increase brightness, but I wouldn't go below that. Definitely, don't go over 100" as this will begin to reduce picture brightness significantly.

If you're mounting on ceiling, shelf or cart, make sure you mount such that zero lens shifting is required...again this provides the brightest, best PQ possible. It's important to try to keep the cone of light completely perpendicular to the wall/screen in both horizontal and vertical directions.

I would also recommend that you use the PJ's HDMI connections for video feeds. It will provide the best looking HD image. SD should be of secondary importance. You should be buying this puppy for the HD experience first and foremost. I don't know what you have for a DVD player and cable/satellite receiver, but if they don't have HDMI connectivity, I recommend you upgrade when possible. It also makes your cabling a lot easier with just one cable required for each or only one if you own an A/V receiver with HDMIs.

Have you figured out where your DVD player/HD receiver will be located and how you plan to route the HDMI cables to the PJ? Do you already own a surround sound system?

As for screens...do you have a wall you can project on that doesn't have windows or doors in the area of projection, a relatively smooth surface and is in a white or off-white color? If so, I would use that for a while as you refine and tweak your setup, then proceed with researching a screen afterwards at your leisure.
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