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Old 12-28-2006, 09:10 PM   #16
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I will have an Apollo vpt6060 portable tripod screen that someone is giving me. It is an 84" diagnol screen. I am going to get a different screen eventually, but this will be good to try at first. It's just a white matte screen, nothing fancy.

I have 3 places I can mount the projector, but the best place would be very difficult to do and could become a considerable job. I'll start with the easiest first.

1) At the edge of the staircase on a bookshelf like thing - Approximately 13' 8" back. Mounting here would be fairly simple, but I would have to attach some type of furniture to raise the projector and hide the wiring. The PJ would then be about 6' to 8' off the ground, which should be about the correct height I am guessing. The projector could be pointing straight on both vertically and horizontally, but it would only be 13' 8" back.

2) At about a 30 or 45 degree horizontal angle. From here, it appears the projector would be 19' to 20' away. The problem is I would be projecting to the screen at this horizontal angle, but it could be vertically aligned.

3) Behind the staircase on a wall (gives me maximum space of about 17'). This would be a very difficult cabling job. I'm not sure how I'd get the cables run correctly, considering I'd have to run them across a stairway. I live in an apartment so cutting holes in the wall is a no-no. I could tear up the carpet possibly.

I'm not sure if I could ceiling mount the thing in my apartment, it would be a difficult thing to wire. I would also have to repair the holes before I moved out. Hmm... Maybe I should pay someone to do the cabling?

The lighting in the room won't be a problem. There are 3 small windows with blinds, but I am placing blackout curtains over them. The room is already fairly dark without the curtains, and with them it should be near pitch black.

Thanks for any suggestions.

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Old 12-28-2006, 09:53 PM   #17
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Every one of your scenarios have major drawbacks. Since you live in an apartment, why not just invest in a nice A/V cart on wheels from places like IKEA? This way, you can make it completely flexible and pick the ideal spot when you use it and when you're not, you just wheel it off to the side.

You could then run the cable along a wall's baseboard for minimal exposure 'til it needs to run across the floor to reach the cart.

As for the 84" screen, is it a 16:9 aspect ratio or 4:3? If it's 4:3, why not just used the wall for the time being?
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Old 12-28-2006, 10:31 PM   #18
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Well, I looked at my place again and I see that with a wall mount I can mount it on the back wall 17 1/2 feet away. According to the projector central calcuator, this is exactly the correct distance for projecting on a 92" screen. I will use cable molding from Home Depot and run it along the corner of the wall to cover up the power cable and the single HDMI cable.

At this location, the projector will be perfectly centered both vertically and horizontally, and it will be 17.5' away.

I have not yet bought a receiver, but I am going to get an Onkyo with HDMI. I just have to make sure the receiver I buy does HDMI well (you know all the people posting that HDMI 1.1 is not working because of receiver issues).

This should work perfectly.

There isn't any issues running HDMI using a 50 foot distance is there?
I can get the distance down to 25' or so if I go up and under the stairs.

This sounds like a good plan, right?
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Old 12-28-2006, 10:44 PM   #19
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Well, taking into account the projector's size (depth), then I will have to add another 14 inches or so.

This would bring my throw distance back down to around 16'.

This means I would use a 1.10 to 1.15 zoom level to fit the image. Shouldn't this be close enough for goverment?

I would not be needing any lense shift or keystone at this location, just a tiny bit of zoom if I were to use a 92" screen.
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A 1.1x zoom isn't bad at all. Your setup should work. Double check the height you require to set the shelf to make sure the Z5 doesn't require vertical lens shift once you use the 92" screen. From what I've read...only the first round of receivers with HDMI were buggy. All subsequent models are fine...so just make sure the Onkyo model you're considering isn't the first model with HDMI 1.1.

HDMI cables do work at 50' and will cost around $250 and are limited to 1080i signals which is enough for your Z5. Not sure if the 25' route you mentioned is less appealing aesthetically.
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Old 12-29-2006, 01:52 AM   #21
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I just hope this projector has enough punch. I like a semi-vivid image. I think the 92" screen I plan on buying should do well for brightness, since it would be brighter than projecting to a 100"+.

My main concern is that as the bulb ages, the brightness will decrease.

The PJ should be here on Wed. or so, and at first I will test using the wall and my 84" tripod screen.

When I get my final screen, what gain do you think I can get away with and not lose much PQ? 1.3?
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I would suggest you allow a break-in period of 100 hours and then seriously consider getting an ISF calibration. You can then discuss with the technician the best way to get that pop you want. Personally, I'm into very accurate calibrations so that I view a film exactly the way the director intended. I'm not much of a fan for that extra vivid setting as it tends to kill contrast ratio which reduces PQ. The brighter setting for that extra "pop" decreases lamp life overall.

Lamp fading is so gradual with today's projectors that I don't think you'll really notice. Lamps usually reduce their brightness by a total of 30% over the first 1/2 of their life span and then stay at that level 'til they die.

Be careful of picking too high of a screen gain. Since you're able to view in a darkened room, your image is going to be plenty bright. A screen with a gain of 1.0 should be more than enough, but then again, I'm basing that on a videophile's perspective of maintaining an accurate image and not trying to make it extra vivid.
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I can probably live with the 84" Apollo screen (white matte 1.0 gain) or the wall projection until I get to at least 100 hours.

At that point, I'll buy the larger dedicated screen and decide if I want to go with a 100" or a 92", and how bright I want it.

I am going to try my own calibration first, but may eventually opt for a professional calibrator. Thing is, that Sanyo has a ton of settings even without being in the service menu.

A wait and see approach
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A couple other questions.

I am going to buy new furniture, do you think having a beige couch is a big no-no? I can buy darker furniture, but I prefer lighter colors.

Unfortunately, my walls are painted off-white, but the good news it that the room will be 100% dark other than the projector itself. Another thing is, the room is very wide because it borders the kitchen and den (like 30' wide). So really each wall would be 15' away on either side, so the projector light shouldn't be that close to the wall sides.

Does this sound ok for controlling projector light backwash?
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I have light-colored walls and it works fine. While I consider myself a videophile...I don't think one has to create an actual physical theater to enjoy fantastic image from projectors. Your side walls are too far to reflect at you or back to the screen...that's nice.

Light-colored furniture is fine. You're going to get blown away when you get setup!
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I wonder if generic HDMI to HDMI cables are good enough. I haven't had too many problems with buying generic cables in the past, but you never know.

I can get a 50' HDMI to HDMI for $50 here:
http://www.cablewholesale.com/catalo...nddvicable.htm
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The copper thickness needs to carry a 1080i signal over that distance so be careful. Also the quality of the sheilding is important. Worst case is you find out the generic brand doesn't work very well and return it. At least you're not installing it inside walls.
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When I first get the PJ, I am going to buy a 3' or 6' namebrand HDMI cable and also the generic 50' HDMI cable. I will hook them up and see if I can tell the difference between the two, before I mount my projector.

On another note:
I hope the PQ of this thing is up-to-par. I am not expecting it to be anywhere near the PQ of an XBR2, but as long as it looks crisp and about as good as an old SONY LCD rear projector, then I will be happy.

I still say no way can any front projector under 10,000 match the XBR2. If you think it can, then I wonder if you have ever seen a properly configured XBR2 running a perfectly clean 1080p source. It is like looking through a window. Both the Pioneer Elite Plasmas and the XBR2 have similar "WOW" factors when connected properly. Rarely do stores have them connected properly, I've seen one Fry's out of 7, and 0 best buys out of 6 have the XBR2 setup correctly. The one at Fry's seems like they had it professionally calibrated, becuase it was away from the other TV's and it was a 70" XBR2 that was displaying a major 1080p dedicated source. The color and realism was beyond belief. The picture looked 3Dish.

I'll be happy as long as the PQ isn't faded looking on the Sanyo
If the PQ isn't as good as I hope, I'll live with it since I cannot return the PQ anyhow (life is full of compromises).
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...I still say no way can any front projector under 10,000 match the XBR2...
We'll have to agree to disagree. 3 years ago...your statement would have been true. However, today...you can beat the XBR2 RPTV easily with any $5k front projector and a couple of $3.5k projectors. I've seen a professionally calibrated XBR2.

I'll argue that you are making your claim because you've never seen a properly calibrated front projector used with the appropriate screen.

Remember...you need to have your Z5 professionally calibrated before you can determine how close it comes to the XBR2.
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I hope the PQ of this thing is up-to-par.
I have the Z3 and love it. I think it has an amazing picture.

As far as bulb's fading... I just recently replaced my bulb - it had over 3500 hours (mix between normal and low lamp modes) and I did notice a significant difference with the new bulb. However, I didn't ever think the picture looked bad (without the comparison, I never would have realized it didn't look as good as it could) - I simply replaced the bulb because I wanted to replace it before it blew - now I can always go back to the old bulb if the new one was to blow at all.

I have no doubt you will love the Z5.
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