Anyone getting nervous about this new Swine Flu vaccine and skipping much testing?

[DIRECTVMAN]

I've heard that every year people die from the regular flu. It's not like the H1N1 is deadly and no other flu is.

Even at the doctor's office a few weeks ago the people I talked to in the lab were downplaying the H1N1 panic.

[1955]

Originally Posted by DIRECTVMAN

I've heard that every year people die from the regular flu. It's not like the H1N1 is deadly and no other flu is.

Even at the doctor's office a few weeks ago the people I talked to in the lab were downplaying the H1N1 panic.

I'm sure it's been mentioned, but 99% of ALL flu's are swine flu.

The real problem here is that since the main stream media has no one in the White House to vilify, they had to find something to fill their hours of face time with, and there's nothing like the good ol' scare of a pandemic to up the ratings.

Y2K and global warming all over again.

[Scottnot]

Originally Posted by 1955

I'm sure it's been mentioned, but 99% of ALL flu's are swine flu.

I don't believe that has been mentioned for the obvious reason that it is quite simply NOT TRUE . . . unless you're a pig, of course.
Anyway, why post a totally untrue and misleading "fact"????

Consider the FACTS:
Birds are thought to be the main animal reservoirs of influenza viruses. Sixteen forms of hemagglutinin and nine forms of neuraminidase have been identified. All known subtypes (HxNy) are found in birds, but many subtypes are endemic in humans, dogs, horses, and pigs; populations of camels, ferrets, cats, seals, mink, and whales also show evidence of prior infection or exposure to influenza.
Source: Wiki

The real problem here is that since the main stream media has no one in the White House to vilify, they had to find something to fill their hours of face time with, and there's nothing like the good ol' scare of a pandemic to up the ratings.

Wow - is it a conspiracy?
What the press and medical community have been doing hardly smacks of "scare" tactics - simply reasonable caution in the presence of a potential pandemic.

[DIRECTVMAN]

On the local news they'll say - Another H1N1 death has been reported in the state !! Then in the next sentence real quickly they say in a normal unalarming tone of voice - but the person also had other medical problems. From what I've read the average person in good health with no other medical problems is at a pretty low risk of dying from H1N1.

[okdude123]

Originally Posted by DIRECTVMAN

On the local news they'll say - Another H1N1 death has been reported in the state !! Then in the next sentence real quickly they say in a normal unalarming tone of voice - but the person also had other medical problems. From what I've read the average person in good health with no other medical problems is at a pretty low risk of dying from H1N1.

Through simple searches, the internet has been good about H1N1 by informing most of us that it is basically a hoax.

[Cygnus]

Supposedly over 1000 have died in US from swine flu this year. I wonder what the number is like for the normal flu?

BTW, this can't be right...right?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/health...0,611787.story
As many as 5.7 million Americans were infected with swine flu during the first few months of the pandemic, according to estimates from federal health officials.

Scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimate that between 1.8 million and 5.7 million Americans were infected from mid-April through July 23. The figures are the CDC's most specific calculation to date.

They also estimated that between 9,000 and 21,000 hospitalizations occurred during that time. The estimates are in a CDC publication, Emerging Infectious Diseases, and were posted on the journal's Web site this week.

[Rich_Guy]

Originally Posted by Cygnus

Supposedly over 1000 have died in US from swine flu this year. I wonder what the number is like for the normal flu?



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"Regular flu in the United States kills about 30,000 people in an average year. 90% of those are people 65 and older who are already not in the best of health. There have been 820-987 deaths each week from the regular flu in the 122 cities that are in the center for disease control tracking system. In the USA there are about 2.5 million deaths in a year."

From:
http://nextbigfuture.com/2009/04/reg...a-in-2009.html

[pappylap]

The scare is in the potential for the virus to mutate into a similar strain which killed @ 30 million people in 1918.......

[1955]

Originally Posted by pappylap

The scare is in the potential for the virus to mutate into a similar strain which killed @ 30 million people in 1918.......

From what I've read, the reasons for the influenza epidemic of 1918, were mostly attributed to the world war and having no idea what was about to hit. But it was also a convergence of many things at the same time...bad communications, not enough nurses, unsanitary crowded conditions in general, immigrants that spoke little or no English, and the rapid movement of troops all over the world to spread it.

About the only thing that we have now in common with then is the "immigrants that speak no English".

I'm not saying that it can't happen, but it will take a perfect storm and I don't see that happening.

[DIRECTVMAN]

A lot of things have changed since 1918.

[pappylap]

a similar strain which killed @ 30 million people in 1918.......

Ooops it was 50 million

Sorry, but I believe you guys may be underestimating the potential threat of a killer virus. I hope this wont happen but if say the Ebola virus (zulu strain), which is 90% fatal within the first 10 days of being infected were to mutate to being transmissable through the air and we were to have an outbreak in a heavily populated area the CDC could do little but sit back and watch hundreds of millions die.

[okdude123]

Originally Posted by pappylap

Ooops it was 50 million

Sorry, but I believe you guys may be underestimating the potential threat of a killer virus. I hope this wont happen but if say the Ebola virus (zulu strain), which is 90% fatal within the first 10 days of being infected were to mutate to being transmissable through the air and we were to have an outbreak in a heavily populated area the CSC could do little but sit back and watch hundreds of millions die.

I don't trust any vaccine. http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasur..._flu_conta.php

[PFC5]

Originally Posted by okdude123

I don't trust any vaccine. http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasur..._flu_conta.php

Scary stuff. Thanks for posting.

[okdude123]

Originally Posted by PFC5

Scary stuff. Thanks for posting.

You're welcome. That story has been floating around for some time now, but still a lot of unanswered questions.

[1955]

Originally Posted by pappylap

Ooops it was 50 million

The guesstimates that have been floating around since it happened have been between 20 and 50 million, depending on your source. Still a LOT of people, but that was a different time, long range travel was just becoming common and the medical industry was still somewhat medieval. There is ALWAYS something that the mainstream media will hype, yesterday it was the global warming hoax and today it's the swine flu.

Follow the money.