Anyone getting nervous about this new Swine Flu vaccine and skipping much testing?

[Cygnus]

And we all know mercury is good for us...

Originally Posted by okdude123

Many vaccines are preserved in mercury.

[kamspy]

Originally Posted by Cygnus

And we all know mercury is good for us...

It's like cigarettes. It does you a favor by shaving off the years where you live in a hospital bed and can't remember anything.

[kamspy]

Originally Posted by rainsun22

I don't think so.We shoudl pay more attention at this matter.Coz it is exist all round the world.Not jus in one country, one place.

Alley McBeal never got released on DVD. Something to do with the licensing to the music used in the soundtrack.

So you're putting spam in your sig in my forum, and you're trying to sell pirated DVDs.

[tipstir]

Kamspy, is that avatar your using a picture of Bill Murray?

[Scottnot]

This is a very misleading, irresponsible (and uninformed) post.

Originally Posted by okdude123

Many vaccines are preserved in mercury.

Obviously this refers to the use of thimerosal which is an organic mercury-based preservative used in some vaccines.

Some facts:
1) there have been no studies linking the use of thimerosal as a preservative in vaccines to any adult medical conditions.
2) there have been no studies linking the use of thimerosal as a preservative in vaccines to any medical conditions in children.
3) the amount of mercury finding its way into the body from a thimerosal vaccine is less than may be obtained from a "normal" serving of many types of fish.

Those who are curious to know more might want to start here:
http://www.cispimmunize.org/fam/autism/thimerosal.htm

[Cygnus]

I think its safe to say that no one really knows the side effects of many things we put in our bodies. Some think that vaccines may be causing some of the increased incidence of autism in kids today. Years ago autism was pretty rare...that is not the case now.

Originally Posted by Scottnot

Obviously this refers to the use of thimerosal which is an organic mercury-based preservative used in some vaccines.

Some facts:
1) there have been no studies linking the use of thimerosal as a preservative in vaccines to any adult medical conditions.
2) there have been no studies linking the use of thimerosal as a preservative in vaccines to any medical conditions in children.
3) the amount of mercury finding its way into the body from a thimerosal vaccine is less than may be obtained from a "normal" serving of many types of fish.

Those who are curious to know more might want to start here:
http://www.cispimmunize.org/fam/autism/thimerosal.htm

[kamspy]

Originally Posted by tipstir

Kamspy, is that avatar your using a picture of Bill Murray?

It's Captain Steve Zissou.

[glennb1]

Originally Posted by kamspy

Alley McBeal never got released on DVD. Something to do with the licensing to the music used in the soundtrack.

So you're putting spam in your sig in my forum, and you're trying to sell pirated DVDs.

my forum
as if he owns the place..
The sig is the same in every forum the person posts in not just "your forum".

Alley McBeal is available to pre-order at amazon.com right now in case anyone wants to pre-order it.

[glennb1]

Originally Posted by kamspy

It's Captain Steve Zissou.

It's Bill Murray as the character Captain Steve Zissou.

[PFC5]

Originally Posted by Scottnot

This is a very misleading, irresponsible (and uninformed) post.


Obviously this refers to the use of thimerosal which is an organic mercury-based preservative used in some vaccines.

Some facts:
1) there have been no studies linking the use of thimerosal as a preservative in vaccines to any adult medical conditions.
2) there have been no studies linking the use of thimerosal as a preservative in vaccines to any medical conditions in children.
3) the amount of mercury finding its way into the body from a thimerosal vaccine is less than may be obtained from a "normal" serving of many types of fish.

Those who are curious to know more might want to start here:
http://www.cispimmunize.org/fam/autism/thimerosal.htm

So how many studies have been done? If they do not do studies they can always say that about it.

Seriously though, raise your hand if you think putting mercury in medicine is a good thing EVER, since we already know that mercury is bad for you.

What really scares me is that they are "fast tracking" these new vaccines without the normal testing that they do before releasing it to the public. As I said before it looks like they are doing some testing in the USA compared to in Europe, but I think even the USA version is getting less testing than normal.

Someone told me about this at a party and said they were going to force this on kids before they can go to public schools, which bothers me if true. I have not found out whether it is true or not yet, but if anyone else can find out that would be great.

[Chris Gerhard]

I got the swine flu vaccine in 1976 and haven't had the flu even once in the last 33 years, probably longer. I know for certain that I haven't had any variety of the flu since the vaccine because I would always tell friends when each year passed without getting the flu.





And yes, I know the two things aren't related, but it is still pretty cool. I haven't decided whether to get the vaccine this time.

Chris

[Scottnot]

Oh, I guess you didn't bother to read the link.

Originally Posted by PFC5

So how many studies have been done? If they do not do studies they can always say that about it.

1) A 2004 report from the Institute of Medicine, Vaccines and Autism, concluded that the available evidence is against the existence of a causal relationship between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism.
2) The CDC examined the incidence of autism in relation to the amount of thimerosal a child receives in vaccines. They found no change in autism rates relative to the amount of thimerosal a child received from vaccines in the first 6 months of life. In other words, a child who received more thimerosal was not more likely to be autistic.
3) An early CDC study suggested a possible weak connection between the amount of thimerosal given and certain neurodevelopmental disorders, such as ADHD, speech and language delays, and tics (but not autism). Further review by independent experts led many to feel this study was flawed in parts of its design that favored a connection when none may have existed. Later studies did not show any connection. Researchers will continue to look at this question.

Seriously though, raise your hand if you think putting mercury in medicine is a good thing EVER, since we already know that mercury is bad for you.

The are not "putting mercury in medicine"; thimerosal is an organic mercury-based preservative that has been found to be effective when used in vaccines.

[PFC5]

Originally Posted by Scottnot

Oh, I guess you didn't bother to read the link.


1) A 2004 report from the Institute of Medicine, Vaccines and Autism, concluded that the available evidence is against the existence of a causal relationship between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism.
2) The CDC examined the incidence of autism in relation to the amount of thimerosal a child receives in vaccines. They found no change in autism rates relative to the amount of thimerosal a child received from vaccines in the first 6 months of life. In other words, a child who received more thimerosal was not more likely to be autistic.
3) An early CDC study suggested a possible weak connection between the amount of thimerosal given and certain neurodevelopmental disorders, such as ADHD, speech and language delays, and tics (but not autism). Further review by independent experts led many to feel this study was flawed in parts of its design that favored a connection when none may have existed. Later studies did not show any connection. Researchers will continue to look at this question.


The are not "putting mercury in medicine"; thimerosal is an organic mercury-based preservative that has been found to be effective when used in vaccines.

This study was for only the first 6 months, which doesn't seem to be sufficient to me. That other study found something was amiss it sounds like however "weak' they say it might have been.

If you are trying to say organic mercury poses no threat then WHY did they stop using it for years? They answer that in the link by saying eliminating it was prudent, so it sounds like they say it doesn't cause problems BUT, we will eliminate it anyway just to be safe.

To me, it doesn't sound like much studying was done on this but they eliminated it anyway and I believe they did it for some reason. What do YOU think the reason is?

[Scottnot]

Originally Posted by PFC5

This study was for only the first 6 months, which doesn't seem to be sufficient to me.

The younger the child, the greater the danger from mercury; there is no reason to expect that the same study done on older children would have produced different results. I suspect that they limited the study to very young children for just that reason.

That other study found something was amiss it sounds like however "weak' they say it might have been.

And they went on to say, "Further review by independent experts led many to feel this study was flawed in parts of its design that favored a connection when none may have existed. Later studies did not show any connection. Researchers will continue to look at this question."

If you are trying to say organic mercury poses no threat then WHY did they stop using it for years? They answer that in the link by saying eliminating it was prudent, so it sounds like they say it doesn't cause problems BUT, we will eliminate it anyway just to be safe.

That's not what the report says; what is says is, "Since 2001, all routinely recommended vaccines manufactured for administration to infants in the U.S. have been either thimerosal-free or have contained only extremely small amounts of thimerosal. "
And it goes on to say, in answer to your question, I guess; "Even though there’s no evidence that thimerosal in vaccines is dangerous, the Public Health Service and the American Academy of Pediatrics believe the effort to remove mercury-based preservatives from vaccines was a good decision. Mercury exists in a different form in our environment (such as in some fish) so children will be exposed to it in other ways. We can’t always remove mercury from the environment. But we can control the mercury used in some vaccines. So, by taking thimerosal out of vaccines, we are lessening the amount of mercury a child will be exposed to early in life."

To me, it doesn't sound like much studying was done on this but they eliminated it anyway and I believe they did it for some reason. What do YOU think the reason is?

There are lot's of other studies if you would care to search for them.
I think the above quote pretty well explains why they removed or significantly recuded the content in most vaccines.

[PFC5]

Thought i would bump this back up given the law they are trying to pass in Massachusetts.