The Government Way

[mshulman]

Originally Posted by tipstir

No insurance company should be spending that type of money on stuff they don't need to make the corp company look like a palace for what reason? Then charge you more in premiums. If you don't mine them doing that then go a head and spend your money.

Next time you visit your insurance company head over to the corporate building then go up to the corp executive floor and check out what you're paying for. Waste!

So if you are looking for insurance, and walk into an insurance company and it looks like crap with everything being very old, out dated and in terrible condition, you'll then give them your business?

Business like to and need to have a good appearance to attract customers. And insurance companies, just like any other business are out to make money.

Every business is like that. You are no different - perhaps your clients have read some of these threads and have read about how many computers you have and think - THATS WHAT I AM PAYING FOR!?!?

IF you aren't happy with the way a company spends their money, stop giving them your business.

[hakstone]

Originally Posted by mshulman

IF you aren't happy with the way a company spends their money, stop giving them your business.

Thank you !!!!!

[Ntruder]

Originally Posted by PFC5

And you do not think the gov't is the biggest waster of money?

Who pays $1,600.00 for a toilet seat, $2,200.00 for a hammer, etc etc, besides our gov't?

THATS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN CORPORATE THUG REPUBLICANS ARE IN CHARGE OF GOVERNMENT. They give money away to their corporate palls. Its called crony capitalism.

I find it absolutely friggin hilarious that conservatives bash government and and go on about how shitty it is when the government is/was run by conservatives. Yeah, the government sucks... WHEN YOU RUN IT

Thats like an HDF moderator going on and on and on about how poor the moderation is IN HIS OWN FORUM

[pappylap]

Originally Posted by PFC5

Damn. You are living in the wrong country.......

Wrong planet I believe...................

[PFC5]

Originally Posted by Ntruder

THATS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN CORPORATE THUG REPUBLICANS ARE IN CHARGE OF GOVERNMENT. They give money away to their corporate palls. Its called crony capitalism.

I find it absolutely friggin hilarious that conservatives bash government and and go on about how shitty it is when the government is/was run by conservatives. Yeah, the government sucks... WHEN YOU RUN IT

Thats like an HDF moderator going on and on and on about how poor the moderation is IN HIS OWN FORUM

That is utter BS!

It is NOT just when REPUBLICANS are controlling things as YOU already know. It IS the nature of our gov't regardless of WHO controls things at a given time. Our gov't is so big they cannot control spending and there is tons of waste.

IBM got so big they couldn't go through all the red tape to approve a new PC model before it was already obsolete, so they broke up the PC division to shorten the approval process for the PC division as things were changing so fast they needed to do this. Our US gov't is many multiples bigger and there are no stockholders to complain about the lack of performance that came from that extended approval process. Voters seem much more indifferent with the gov't than stockholders are with the companies they hold stock in.

Are YOU trying to say that only the Republicans waste taxpayer money?

[daleb]

Ahh...if only it were so easy to contribute government waste to only one political party.
You can call those sitting in both houses as Red or Blue, but their collective motivation is based on 'green'. And I don't mean clean air!

[Cygnus]

Ugg...here we go..another left vs right debate. I think its the nature of mankind to become greedy when having too much power. We see it in the business world every day. Its just that the chickens have come home to roost (to borrow a term from obama's former pastor wright ) and everything is being exposed. That happens when you are on board the titanic...

[Ntruder]

Originally Posted by PFC5

That is utter BS!

It is NOT just when REPUBLICANS are controlling things as YOU already know. It IS the nature of our gov't regardless of WHO controls things at a given time. Our gov't is so big they cannot control spending and there is tons of waste.

Republicans have basically had control of our government until very recently. You could argue for or against the Clinton years; Clinton balanced the budget but signed every piece of shitty economic garbage that the Republicans sent to him.

Its just an ironic concept to me. Republicans run on the platform of "government can't do anything right." When Republicans run government, and you say government can't do anything right, you are saying that Republicans can't do anything right. Funny concept to me.

Secondly, your post that I quoted reminded me of a typical "private contractor" type of expense, like something from Halliburton or KBR. $2,200 for a hammer sounds like an Iraq expense.

IBM got so big they couldn't go through all the red tape to approve a new PC model before it was already obsolete, so they broke up the PC division to shorten the approval process for the PC division as things were changing so fast they needed to do this. Our US gov't is many multiples bigger and there are no stockholders to complain about the lack of performance that came from that extended approval process. Voters seem much more indifferent with the gov't than stockholders are with the companies they hold stock in.

yay. Irrelevant

Are YOU trying to say that only the Republicans waste taxpayer money?

Only republicans waste taxpayer money... Lets see... Is THAT what I was saying? Lets check:

[qoute=Ntruder]THATS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN CORPORATE THUG REPUBLICANS ARE IN CHARGE OF GOVERNMENT. They give money away to their corporate palls. Its called crony capitalism.

I find it absolutely friggin hilarious that conservatives bash government and and go on about how shitty it is when the government is/was run by conservatives. Yeah, the government sucks... WHEN YOU RUN IT

Thats like an HDF moderator going on and on and on about how poor the moderation is IN HIS OWN FORUM[/quote]

NOPE, NOT WHAT I WAS SAYING!

Moderate yourself for once, and please stop fabricating my positions to strengthen your weak arguments.

[tipstir]

Insurance companies have more control of congress/senate as they both go way back in the 1700s. Still time to break up the control and let the people decide what action to take. Government can give us more freedom and better government control for insurance as everything they get we should get. But that's not the case.

Insurance companies are treated like palaces why because they can do and get away with it. No one is going to stop them, not congress or senator who is getting funds for re-elections.

[hatt]

Originally Posted by tipstir

Insurance companies have more control of congress/senate as they both go way back in the 1700s. Still time to break up the control and let the people decide what action to take. Government can give us more freedom and better government control for insurance as everything they get we should get. But that's not the case.

Insurance companies are treated like palaces why because they can do and get away with it. No one is going to stop them, not congress or senator who is getting funds for re-elections.

So the solution for an industry that is paying off government officials is to simply give the government officials complete control of that industry. That's some dumb shit right there.

Guess you never heard the saying: Power corrupts, absolute power...

[DonnyDC]

Originally Posted by hatt

So the solution for an industry that is paying off government officials is to simple give the government officials complete control of that industry. That's some dumb shit right there.

Guess you never heard the saying: Power corrupts, absolute power...

Officials can get away with taking payoffs, its much harder for them to abuse the budget.

It could still happen, the OP being an example. But considering the many news sites reporting this and calling it a waste, the government is still accountable for it.

[daleb]

Originally Posted by DonnyDC

Officials can get away with taking payoffs, its much harder for them to abuse the budget.

It could still happen, the OP being an example. But considering the many news sites reporting this and calling it a waste, the government is still accountable for it.

Sad to say, 'self-accountability' on part of government is an expectation not a solution. (as it is for the wolf-in-the-henhouse)
There are enough watch groups around to identify government over- spending. Recognizing it is relatively easy. Even specific fixes can be done, with a little work.
But keeping it from popping up again, is next to impossible.
The government is a 'bleeder'.

[tipstir]

Originally Posted by hatt

So the solution for an industry that is paying off government officials is to simply give the government officials complete control of that industry. That's some dumb shit right there.

Guess you never heard the saying: Power corrupts, absolute power...

Might be dumb to you but it's the way they're been doing the business as it was explained to me by Prudential Media Department Command Center. That cost over million just to build a room to monitor all Prudential communcation through USA at the time, it had the latest in Plasma Technology from NEC.

Cigna -- Hartford Insurance, Travelers, these 3 are one of the most outrageous spenders when it comes to find art, marble, history an etc.. for their corp buildings. Why don't they keep it plain and simple. The money the shell out for that stuff could be used to reduce customer and business client polices but they don't think like that.

Insurance World is a different world within itself..

[hatt]

Originally Posted by tipstir

Might be dumb to you but it's the way they're been doing the business as it was explained to me by Prudential Media Department Command Center. That cost over million just to build a room to monitor all Prudential communcation through USA at the time, it had the latest in Plasma Technology from NEC.

This is what you have?

A million dollars, to monitor a large company's communications, doesn't sound like a large expenditure. You heard .gov was spending 18 million on a website that doesn't do anything? Looks like Prudential are a bunch of tightwads.

Cigna -- Hartford Insurance, Travelers, these 3 are one of the most outrageous spenders when it comes to find art, marble, history an etc.. for their corp buildings. Why don't they keep it plain and simple. The money the shell out for that stuff could be used to reduce customer and business client polices but they don't think like that.

Insurance World is a different world within itself..

How much do you think you'd save on your policy if they used double wide trailers with wood paneling and cheap carpet instead of these fancy buildings? $5-10 a year? You forget these companies have millions of customers.

Edit, how did I miss this?

it had the latest in Plasma Technology from NEC.

Yes, I bet it did. Only .gov would build something new with old, outdated shit. I guess you've seen Apollo 13 a few too many times. It don't look like that no more.

[PFC5]

Originally Posted by tipstir

Might be dumb to you but it's the way they're been doing the business as it was explained to me by Prudential Media Department Command Center. That cost over million just to build a room to monitor all Prudential communcation through USA at the time, it had the latest in Plasma Technology from NEC.

Cigna -- Hartford Insurance, Travelers, these 3 are one of the most outrageous spenders when it comes to find art, marble, history an etc.. for their corp buildings. Why don't they keep it plain and simple. The money the shell out for that stuff could be used to reduce customer and business client polices but they don't think like that.

Insurance World is a different world within itself..

Can't be the latest in plasma tech since NED stopped making plasmas several years ago.

Those items you mentioned are INVESTMENTS. Perhaps you didn't know this, but most insurance companies pay out most of what they receive in premiums back out again in claims. They make their profit by the earnings on those premiums while they hold them before paying them back out. When was the last time to gov't did that?