The Government Way

[crasmus22]

Originally Posted by Pistol Pete

And, if you havn't been paying attention, the current health care system is broke!

Are you referring to Medicaid/Medicare or maybe our other government run health care system, VA hospitals?

[PFC5]

Originally Posted by mshulman

No kidding..

Looking at the current website, there's a fair amount to it, but 18 million??

Talk about a frivolous waste of money. The site doesn't need to be fancy, just informative and easy to navigate. Surely 18 million isn't needed for that.

How many people even visit the site I wonder - I didn't even know it existed!

I never heard of it either. I would say it is likely paying 18x too much to redesign this site. This is a redesign not a from scratch website, so this is another classic waste of money by the government.

Unfortunately it seems there are so many "favors" owed to those who contribute to political campaigns that is likely one big reason WHY we have so much waste in the government. We need to eliminate lobbying and corporate donations through campaign finance reform that actually stops this kind of :favor owed" system we have now. I bet this alone would save 10s of billions of $$ every year, and maybe more like $100+ billion. Of course this will never truly be corrected since the same politicians who benefit would have to vote for it, and ditto for Congressional term limits which they refuse to vote for also.

[hatt]

Three contractors are bidding to fix a broken fence at the White House.

One is from Chicago, another is from Tennessee, and the third is from Minnesota.

All three go with a White House official to examine the fence.

The Minnesota contractor takes out a tape measure and does some measuring , then works some figures with a pencil. Well, he says, I figure the job will run about $900: $400 for materials, $400 for my crew and $100 profit for me.

The Tennessee contractor also does some measuring and figuring, then says, I can do this job for $700: $300 for materials, $300 for my crew and $100 profit for me.

The Chicago contractor doesn't measure or figure, but leans over to the White House official and whispers, $2,700.

The official, incredulous, says, You didn't even measure like the other
guys! How did you come up with such a high figure?

The Chicago contractor whispers back, $1000 for me, $1000 for you, and we hire the guy from Tennessee to fix the fence.

Done!replies the government official.

And that, my friends, is how obamanomics work.

No way this applies to health care though.

[PFC5]

That scenario applies to government in general unfortunately.

[DonnyDC]

Isnt this over 5 years? so thats 3.6 million per year.
Still seems like alot but Im not sure how much people value the whole accountability initiative.

[HDMann]

What Website?

[Small Engine]

So your a man or woman living in the US and you really have worked hard and you also put in some long hours, even weekends. You have come up with a good Idea and have put your family (temporary on the back burner).. Now things are starting to pay off and you are actually making a profit and growing your business...hiring workers and construction workers etc.. Profits are still coming in because of your hard work and dedication, so now you hired a manager so you can take some time off and spend it with your family and then along comes the (Hard Workers) tax, (Good Idea) tax, (Invested my life into this) tax and the (Payed My Dues) tax... all... so some people that don't want to work and are able to... but know how to play the welfare/medicare system can get a paycheck. I know this post doesn't cover all the bases and one size doesn't fit all either...but...there has to be a better way than penalizing people for working hard. That just doesn't seem like the way our founding fathers wanted the American Dream to be like. In these times what would be the incentive for somebody to work hard and pay there dues.. only to give away there money to somebody else ?

[Pistol Pete]

Originally Posted by crasmus22

Are you referring to Medicaid/Medicare or maybe our other government run health care system, VA hospitals?

Let them eat cake!

It's their problem.

Who cares about the sick, lame, the have nots.

Too old to work? Didn't save enough money for retirement? You got hurt and can't work?

TOO BAD!

Isn't that a great philosphy?

Dosn't that sound like a civilized society.

Wait, let me walk by this homeless guy...........

Ok.

Fortunately, there are people who believe in a helping hand.

Perhaps you never understood the theory "give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to be free".

America means more to some of us then making you or Donald Trump rich.

It means opportunity.

For many, those dreams could not become a reality without a helping hand.

And, for many others, that helping hand was the difference in survival.

If you think the intent of Medicare and Medicaid and the VA system is wrong, you have a right to think it.

Don't think that makes you right.

You just have a right to think it.

The country does not have to do everything for you. And, most of us will agree with that.

There are things it should do and that's what many of us hope for because it's right.

You don't have to agree. That's your right.

I served so you could think that way.

[Loves2Watch]

Originally Posted by Small Engine

So your a man or woman living in the US and you really have worked hard and you also put in some long hours, even weekends. You have come up with a good Idea and have put your family (temporary on the back burner).. Now things are starting to pay off and you are actually making a profit and growing your business...hiring workers and construction workers etc.. Profits are still coming in because of your hard work and dedication, so now you hired a manager so you can take some time off and spend it with your family and then along comes the (Hard Workers) tax, (Good Idea) tax, (Invested my life into this) tax and the (Payed My Dues) tax... all... so some people that don't want to work and are able to... but know how to play the welfare/medicare system can get a paycheck. I know this post doesn't cover all the bases and one size doesn't fit all either...but...there has to be a better way than penalizing people for working hard. That just doesn't seem like the way our founding fathers wanted the American Dream to be like. In these times what would be the incentive for somebody to work hard and pay there dues.. only to give away there money to somebody else ?

It is spelled their...

[kamspy]

Considering what they pay for Haliburton toilets in Iraq, this website is a stellar bargain.

[Cygnus]

No, it is the Fed and big banking in general that run things... Corporations come and go...but the Fed is forever and in every land...

Originally Posted by hakstone

Anybody who thinks the gov. is working for the people is blind.
Coporate america runs the show.

[PFC5]

Originally Posted by Pistol Pete

Let them eat cake!

It's their problem.

Who cares about the sick, lame, the have nots.

Too old to work? Didn't save enough money for retirement? You got hurt and can't work?

TOO BAD!

Isn't that a great philosphy?

Dosn't that sound like a civilized society.

Wait, let me walk by this homeless guy...........

Ok.

Fortunately, there are people who believe in a helping hand.

Perhaps you never understood the theory "give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to be free".

America means more to some of us then making you or Donald Trump rich.

It means opportunity.

For many, those dreams could not become a reality without a helping hand.

And, for many others, that helping hand was the difference in survival.

If you think the intent of Medicare and Medicaid and the VA system is wrong, you have a right to think it.

Don't think that makes you right.

You just have a right to think it.

The country does not have to do everything for you. And, most of us will agree with that.

There are things it should do and that's what many of us hope for because it's right.

You don't have to agree. That's your right.

I served so you could think that way.

I believe in giving people a hand up, not a hand out for generations and generations. When people are down a civilized society should give a hand up IMO. But giving people a lifetime of not having to work and those "foolish" enough to have to work harder so they can never work and live comfortably is just wrong IMO. We have multiple generations of families living off the system and THAT is what I have a problem with.

They are two differnt things and cannot be entwined together as the same thing.

[Pistol Pete]

Originally Posted by PFC5

I believe in giving people a hand up, not a hand out for generations and generations. When people are down a civilized society should give a hand up IMO. But giving people a lifetime of not having to work and those "foolish" enough to have to work harder so they can never work and live comfortably is just wrong IMO. We have multiple generations of families living off the system and THAT is what I have a problem with.

They are two differnt things and cannot be entwined together as the same thing.

Then........we agree.

It should not be a lifetime committment and there are many who abuse the system and think it a right and not a helping hand to get you over.

The system does need fixing. No question.

We could go on and on on things that need to be fixed.

Illegal immigtation, welfare, automatic citizenship when born in this country.

We can find middle ground.

And, we can find solutions as long as people are willing to work together and find common ground.

Obviously, on some issues (abortion) there isn't much middle ground.

However, I bet we can both agree it should safe, legal and rare.

[Cygnus]

Not to say I disagree with what you are saying...but I hope you are equally as passionate regarding politicians, who get free health care, excellent pay, jet set lifestyle, lifetime benefits, start unnecessary wars, etc. while screwing up the economy in the process... Citizens argue and bicker amongst themselves (left vs right) while politicians and media are tickled pink and getting richer...

Originally Posted by PFC5

I believe in giving people a hand up, not a hand out for generations and generations. When people are down a civilized society should give a hand up IMO. But giving people a lifetime of not having to work and those "foolish" enough to have to work harder so they can never work and live comfortably is just wrong IMO. We have multiple generations of families living off the system and THAT is what I have a problem with.

They are two differnt things and cannot be entwined together as the same thing.

[Small Engine]

Originally Posted by Loves2Watch

It is spelled their...

I had the right to go to school..and I had the right to watch my English Teachers boobs bounce..lol and yes I would pay more taxes for some kids/young adults to be able to go to school, but I dont want to pay for some losers Diet Pepsi and Blue Bell Ice Cream !