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[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Ntruder

If Republicans donate more than Democrats, its because most super rich people are Republicans, and they'll donate to reap the tax benefits.

Thats right Democrats only get money for middle class Americans like George Soros

[DodgerKing]

Originally Posted by Ntruder

If Republicans donate more than Democrats, its because most super rich people are Republicans, and they'll donate to reap the tax benefits.

According to the articles I posted, Republicans make less money on the average than Democrats. The assumption that the Reps are the rich party may not be true. Even if it is, conservatives donate a higher percentage of their salary than liberals. Liberals do however, according the the articles/study, donate more their time than conservatives on the average.

[DodgerKing]

According to other studies, conservatives are even more likely to donate time as well.

http://usconservatives.about.com/b/2...n-liberals.htm

Conservatives not only donate more money to charity than liberals do, conservatives volunteer more time as well. More conservatives than liberals also donate blood.
link

http://magicstatistics.com/2006/11/1...ular-liberals/

[Ntruder]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Liberals can't see bigotry towards Christians because in the mind of a liberal Christians always deserve it. Pistol Pete basically makes the case thats its wrong for Christianity to have any say in the government despite the fact that most of the country are Christians. Well I say liberals shouldn't have a say in government because liberals make up even less of a percentage of the population then Christians. Bigots like Pete wants Christians to keep it to ourselves well we don't have to. Its a free country and Christians have every right to express themselves in public and in government as much as any other group.

Liberals like Pistole Pete are theatened by Christianity because it trys to influence morality which is things liberals can't stand. Liberals hate morality its why they can kill children by the millions like they do while at the same time protesting the execution of a murderur and crying at the slightest uncomfertable treatment of an Islamic terrorist. Christianity is the only thing standing between order and tyranny.

You're out of your league, kid. This is a grown ups conversation. You sound like a complete moron. You don't even understand your own religion. You are truly pathetic.

[Ntruder]

Originally Posted by DodgerKing

According to the articles I posted, Republicans make less money on the average than Democrats. The assumption that the Reps are the rich party may not be true. Even if it is, conservatives donate a higher percentage of their salary than liberals. Liberals do however, according the the articles/study, donate more their time than conservatives on the average.

Ugh... You are unbelievable. Explain to me why the conservatives are always against any programs that redistribute wealth from rich to poor? They are all in favor of redistributing wealth from poor to rich. So you are fine with welfare as long as its going to the wealthy, or to corporations, but if it goes to help people who need help, you're all against it.

You are so focused on making these stupid little one liner arguments to "prove" your point, that you completely ignore the bigger picture. This is why arguing with you is retarded.

[DodgerKing]

Originally Posted by Ntruder

Ugh... You are unbelievable. Explain to me why the conservatives are always against any programs that redistribute wealth from rich to poor? They are all in favor of redistributing wealth from poor to rich. So you are fine with welfare as long as its going to the wealthy, or to corporations, but if it goes to help people who need help, you're all against it.

You are so focused on making these stupid little one liner arguments to "prove" your point, that you completely ignore the bigger picture. This is why arguing with you is retarded.

First, are we discussing an issue or are we discussing me?

Second, I am providing evidence to contradict everyone of your stereotypes about the Reps as well as providing evidence for each of my points within the "bigger picture".

Third, your "bigger picture" is full of false assumptions, stereotypes, and inaccurate generalizations about those of us on the right. You have yet to provide any bit of information, sources, evidence, or proof to support anything you stated as far as the "big picture goes".

Now you are asking me to explain why conservatives do not support using the government as Robin Hood. I have done so at nauseam. Let me briefly summarize again why we feel the way we do (btw, the ask.com article I posted also explains our "big picture"):

1. We feel the private sector is more efficient and prefer to use the more efficient rout. (which is why I used the evidence of charitable giving)

2. We feel the government should stick to what it is constitutionally obligated to do (i.e. defense) and downsize the bureaucracy. This will make other programs the government is involved with more efficient as well.

3. We feel that the current welfare system does more harm than good. It creates a means of dependence with little incentives to assist those in becoming more independent and less dependent on the government.

On your point about me being fine about welfare going to the rich or corporations...was it meant to be a question? If so, then I will be glad to answer it. If not, then can we stop with assumptions. You are currently batting .000 when it comes to assuming.

Here is an excerpt from the ask.com article (which paints our bigger picture):

Conservatives Give More Than Liberals
American conservatives and liberals disagree pretty passionately over what the federal government is good for. Especially when it comes to money.

Liberals believe that the government is responsible to take care of needy people. The idea is that we all contribute to the pot (through taxes), and then the government doles it out to the people most in need. It makes sense, because together we can do more than we could individually.

Conservatives, however, believe that the government tends to be wasteful with the money in the pot. Conservatives also note that too many well-bodied people take advantage of the money in the pot. As P.J. O’Rourke said,

"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

Therefore, conservatives believe the government should stay small and stick to doing the specific jobs outlined in the Constitution, and leave the people-helping to you and me on the private level.

Much hooting and bellowing goes on between liberals and conservatives over this issue. The liberals paint conservatives as tight-fisted scrooges and conservatives call liberals idealistic commies... or sponges.

Conservatives do believe in helping people, though. They just choose to leave the government out of the equation. L. Kowalis noticed a 20/20 report which said just that
http://usconservatives.about.com/b/2...n-liberals.htm

[DodgerKing]

Originally Posted by Ntruder

Ugh... You are unbelievable. Explain to me why the conservatives are always against any programs that redistribute wealth from rich to poor? They are all in favor of redistributing wealth from poor to rich. So you are fine with welfare as long as its going to the wealthy, or to corporations, but if it goes to help people who need help, you're all against it.

You are so focused on making these stupid little one liner arguments to "prove" your point, that you completely ignore the bigger picture. This is why arguing with you is retarded.

Let me add: I think you don't like arguing with me because I present facts that contradict your assumptions. This make you feel uncomfortable.

Even I can play the assumption game as well...

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Ntruder

Ugh... You are unbelievable. Explain to me why the conservatives are always against any programs that redistribute wealth from rich to poor? They are all in favor of redistributing wealth from poor to rich. So you are fine with welfare as long as its going to the wealthy, or to corporations, but if it goes to help people who need help, you're all against it.

You are so focused on making these stupid little one liner arguments to "prove" your point, that you completely ignore the bigger picture. This is why arguing with you is retarded.

I can explain easily even though I know there isn't a chance you will listen. One sentence says it all. Conservatives don't like big government. We believe people should give and redistribute wealth themselves on their own free will. Which is why we do far more then liberals as previously reported data proves. We are against the government stealing money and giving it away. How are we for redistributing wealth from poor to rich. We support tax cuts for everyone buddy. Equal percentages accross the board. Equality I know you libs hate that. Liberals claim to hate facism and put that label on conservatives but they share the same basic view that big government is okay as long as its for the common good. Conservatives believe that the government should fuck off at let the free market take over.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Ntruder

You're out of your league, kid. This is a grown ups conversation. You sound like a complete moron. You don't even understand your own religion. You are truly pathetic.

I know my own religion buddy. Its the religion that started western civilazation. Its the religon that gave us modern science, Democracy, freedom of speech, and basic human rights. Its also the religon supported by more historical and archeological evidence then any other. In the absence of Juedeo Chrisitinity facism and communism prevales. Hitlar, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedung were all atheists.

[junehhan]

Conservatives donate more time and money perhaps because it lowers their tax liabilities, but at least they are doing something with it. As for political causes, my understanding is that you cannot deduct for political contributions. Interesting thing is that 9 of the 10 richest people in congress are all democrats too.

How is wealth being distributed from the poor to the rich? Tax cuts were made across the board with everyone getting a fair tax cut. In fact, the poorest segments faired better percentage wise simply because the threshhold for where you pay taxes was raised. As for corporations, they stimulate the job growth that creates jobs so that people can work them. However, one could argue that corporate taxes may have been too high to begin with.

There was a time when welfare used to be a hand-up, not a hand-out. People used to be embarrassed about being on the welfare and were only on it for as short of a period of time as possible until they were able to get off of it. If welfare is so desirable, then why do we have such a generational welfare problem in cities that were dominated by liberal politicians? I guess it didn't work, as this is exactly what I explained in a previous post. You teach people how to fish, but you don't just hand them a check every month and not give them the tools to better themselves. If they are unwilling to better themselves because politicians have given them no incentive to better themselves, then nothing motivates people more than a cold heatless apartment, or a hungry stomach. You will be surprised how efficiently a little bit of true poverty can motivate people. If an abled person is then still unwilling to better themself, then let them starve for all I care. As Jimmy said, nobody should be responsible for those who are able to, but unwilling to help themself. For those who are unable to help themselves, then that is different as we as a society should help them, which is something we do far better than in many other countries. But the problem I have with this entire deal is that most rich people worked to obtain their status in life and earned their keep. If you reduce someone's incentive to better themselves above others, then you lose what has made America such a great country. Only America has this level of social mobility in the world today where a pauper can live as a king, or a king can blow mommy's trust fund and live as a pauper.

What is truly better here? Do we continue to hand a bunch of able bodied people a check every month or should we use that money and invest it in programs that teach them to fish for themselves? As i've stated, conservatives believe that governments should not be a freestore for handouts, but should function as a last resport worst case scenario assistance giver. I am not a republican, and yet I am against any liberals(lots of them are republicans these days) simply because they want the government to function more as a freestore that the swine of society quickly learn to use as they subconsciously understand that they are better off that way.

I am incredibly backed up and i'll just conclude by saying this. After experiencing the economic and social havoc that free welfare and liberal socialism can wreak, this is why European countries like France and Germany are starting to understand what most conservatives here in America have understood for years. They have seen what can happen with free and easy socialism and welfare programmes, and have now understood that they must head to a more conservative standpoint. If France and Germany are desperately trying to head the other direction now after seeing the damage that their liberal policies have caused, then why should we head the very direction that France and Germany are trying to get away from?

Originally Posted by Ntruder

Ugh... You are unbelievable. Explain to me why the conservatives are always against any programs that redistribute wealth from rich to poor? They are all in favor of redistributing wealth from poor to rich. So you are fine with welfare as long as its going to the wealthy, or to corporations, but if it goes to help people who need help, you're all against it.

You are so focused on making these stupid little one liner arguments to "prove" your point, that you completely ignore the bigger picture. This is why arguing with you is retarded.

[edders]

Originally Posted by DodgerKing

My results:



Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.23

Not a very accurate test as it does not make distinctions between what one feels the government should or shouldn't do and what individuals should or shouldn't do. But, interesting still...

Test

I'm over near Ghandi...yet have never gone on a hunger strike...go figure...I am nearly bald though!!! :-)

[edders]

Originally Posted by Pistol Pete

Anti Christian Bigot?

...
Jim Jones was a nut, David Koresh was a nut and so are these other lunatics who practice their own venomous hate to people.

...

Practice what you will. Please do not impose it on me or anyone else.

Yeah, that about sums it up for me. Am always disappointed when someone claiming to support the freedom of religion (not you) then goes on to claim that theirs is the "right one" and denigrates those who do believe as they do.

Belief...is just that...the arguments should stop right there.

Ed

[DodgerKing]

Originally Posted by JustEd

I'm over near Ghandi...yet have never gone on a hunger strike...go figure...I am nearly bald though!!! :-)

I am bald (at least I shave my head). Used to have hair down to my ass when I was in college.

I am right there with Milton Friedman. (He is a little further to the right than I am). I don't mind at all. IMO, as far as I am concerned, he is one of the best thinkers, a great economists, and has made some of the best arguments for limit government.

[Ntruder]

Originally Posted by DodgerKing

Let me add: I think you don't like arguing with me because I present facts that contradict your assumptions. This make you feel uncomfortable.

Even I can play the assumption game as well...

You provide these so called facts that are intended to contradict something that is common knowledge.

You say that Republicans donate more than Democrats (or cons vs libs) and therefor Cons are more for helping people than Libs? Its total bullshit. Your small scale facts don't change the big scale facts. So far, you have not demonstrated to me that you understand conservative politics from any perspective other than your own. (or liberal politics for that matter) Your arguments are all in meaningless talking point format. "Well you say ____ but here's this little tidbit factoid that is I guess supposed to refute your entire point." (but it doesn't, its just retarded and meaningless)

Since you are so desperate to prove to me that you aren't just a fountain of worthless conservative talking points, why don't you try discuss something that has actual meaning, like issues and policies?

Why did cons and bush block the SCHIP bill? Are you against funding health care for the children of lower income families? (I already know the BS right wing talking points on this issue, and they don't fly)

Why do the bush tax cuts give tons of money to the top 1% and corporations while borrowing billions upon billions from foreign companies, if cons care about everyday people so much? Is there actual evidence that this money ever "trickled down" to the middle class? Or did it all just go overseas and into bank accounts in the Caymans?

Why, if cons are so caring for the everyday man and woman, is our economy on its way down the toilet? Why, if conservative economic policies are REALLY in our best interest, has our national debt gone up almost FOUR TRILLION dollars in the past 7 years? Why has unemployment gone up almost two points in the past 7 years? Why has the housing market crashed, with millions and millions of people foreclosing all over the country? Why have our jobs been shipped overseas and to Mexico? Why has the median household income DROPPED????? MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME NEVER DROPS!!! Why is oil DOUBLE the price it was 7 years ago? Why is the stock market plummeting everyday? Why have wage increases not even come close to inflation rates?

Please, explain this to me. If conservative economic policies are so great, they why, oh why, do they always lead us to depression? First, the Republican Great Depression. (Revived by Roosevelt New Deal policies) Now, the Regan/Bush recession, which could very easily turn into a depression with another Republican presidency. Face it, you do NOT have history, or facts on your side.

[Ntruder]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

I can explain easily even though I know there isn't a chance you will listen. One sentence says it all. Conservatives don't like big government. We believe people should give and redistribute wealth themselves on their own free will. Which is why we do far more then liberals as previously reported data proves. We are against the government stealing money and giving it away. How are we for redistributing wealth from poor to rich. We support tax cuts for everyone buddy. Equal percentages accross the board. Equality I know you libs hate that. Liberals claim to hate facism and put that label on conservatives but they share the same basic view that big government is okay as long as its for the common good. Conservatives believe that the government should fuck off at let the free market take over.

I am not getting paid to give you a history/politics/life lesson son. Maybe once you graduate high school, you can go to college, and they will tell you the ways of the world.

You are just so wrong on everything you said, I actually laughed out loud... Unfortunately, I don't have the time to educate you. I'm sorry.