Local Digital sound problem solved, not quite sure how I did it.

WillD · 08-04-2009, 01:53 PM

Can someone explain what is happening?
To summarize; I had a problem with getting no sound on local CBS and ABC Digital signals, other locals were okay.
I did get sound on local ABC just for local programming, but that disappeared after a while, no sound at all on local CBS for the past year. (made a post a couple of months ago.)

I read through the Dish manual about local stations. I connected the rabbit ears directly into the Dish HD receiver (the slim silver one) instead of directly to the TV and then scanned for local digital channels through the Sat. receiver; it picked numerous locals. I now can get the locals through the satellite receiver.
The Dish program guide now shows the local stations and substations, although without program names and program descriptions as with satellite channels.

Here's the good part: when I turn the sat. receiver on I can access all the locals and I now get sound on both CBS and ABC local stations. I'm assuming the signals are coming through the rabbit ears and looping through the receiver.

My question: when I switch the TV to "Air" instead of "Satellite" (and turn off the rec.) I still get the locals BUT, there is no sound on local CBS and ABC, as before. There IS sound when I go through the sat. receiver.
Can anyone tell me why this is? there is sound going through the sat. receiver on the two problem stations but if going direct to the TV through "Air" as before, there is NO sound on the two problem locals (like it used to be). I'm a little confused.

My other annoying problem: I'm continuously losing the signal on the problem CBS local. The banner for the locals shows signal strength and the local CBS is usually in the low 70's (the others are all about 80 or higher) and I continuously lose the signal. Sometimes it's okay for ten minutes, but when I start losing the signal it comes on for ten seconds, then lose the signal, then on for a few seconds. This is the pattern. It's seems to be only the CBS local.
The rabbit ears face NW since that's where the local signals come from. I'm also guessing digital signals are weaker than analog and subject to disruption much more easily. There's nothing outside that would be in the way, no trees or buildings.
For Dish, I'm not sure if a low 70's signal strength is considered good or not.

I now know the TV digital tuner was not the problem as the local CBS tried to tell me.
Sorry for the long post.

JB Antennaman · 08-04-2009, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WillD

Can someone explain what is happening?
To summarize; I had a problem with getting no sound on local CBS and ABC Digital signals, other locals were okay.
I did get sound on local ABC just for local programming, but that disappeared after a while, no sound at all on local CBS for the past year. (made a post a couple of months ago.)

I read through the Dish manual about local stations. I connected the rabbit ears directly into the Dish HD receiver (the slim silver one) instead of directly to the TV and then scanned for local digital channels through the Sat. receiver; it picked numerous locals. I now can get the locals through the satellite receiver.
The Dish program guide now shows the local stations and substations, although without program names and program descriptions as with satellite channels.

Here's the good part: when I turn the sat. receiver on I can access all the locals and I now get sound on both CBS and ABC local stations. I'm assuming the signals are coming through the rabbit ears and looping through the receiver.

My question: when I switch the TV to "Air" instead of "Satellite" (and turn off the rec.) I still get the locals BUT, there is no sound on local CBS and ABC, as before. There IS sound when I go through the sat. receiver.
Can anyone tell me why this is? there is sound going through the sat. receiver on the two problem stations but if going direct to the TV through "Air" as before, there is NO sound on the two problem locals (like it used to be). I'm a little confused.

My other annoying problem: I'm continuously losing the signal on the problem CBS local. The banner for the locals shows signal strength and the local CBS is usually in the low 70's (the others are all about 80 or higher) and I continuously lose the signal. Sometimes it's okay for ten minutes, but when I start losing the signal it comes on for ten seconds, then lose the signal, then on for a few seconds. This is the pattern. It's seems to be only the CBS local.
The rabbit ears face NW since that's where the local signals come from. I'm also guessing digital signals are weaker than analog and subject to disruption much more easily. There's nothing outside that would be in the way, no trees or buildings.
For Dish, I'm not sure if a low 70's signal strength is considered good or not.

I now know the TV digital tuner was not the problem as the local CBS tried to tell me.
Sorry for the long post.

Let's see if I can answer this one for you.

Without physically being there at your house, there is no way of knowing how you have your entertainment system wired. I would guess that you have your receiver hooked directly to the television with a A/V plug and S port - video port. That is unless you have some sort of high def system - where you are using the signal directly from the F terminal - antenna wire that is coming out of the Dish Receiver.

My next guess is that your Dish Receiver is not subscribed to the local channels - hence no pay per view. Most times it only costs around $5 or so a month to receive local channels off the Sat dish.

So you had your antenna wired incorrectly and for some reason - you might have lived close enough to a television transmitter that the receiver was picking up the channels - even without any sort of antenna.

You are confusing the Dish Receiver with the television receiver.

If you had the antenna connected to the television and you had the Dish Receiver connected to the S port or video ports. The Dish only produced sound when the video ports were connected.

Since there was no antenna on the receiver for the dish, it did not transmit a signal for the sound to your A/V system.

When you connected a antenna directly to the Dish Receiver and did a digital scan and the television or the receiver found the proper signal, then your television produced sound.

My grandparents only had a 8th grade education, but were wise beyond their years. My one grandfather called book learned people - educated dummies.

I had a uncle that taught elementary English in the local school district here for 40 years. Yet he didn't know how to change a spark plug in his car or do masonry work or carpentry.

My grandfather could read and write, but wasn't smart enough to know how to write a book. Yet he could build a house with his two bare hands and a circular saw and a claw hammer. Even though his occupation for most of his life was as a coal miner and railroader.

If your A/V system is hooked up wrong, then it isn't going to work.

If by chance, you did something right and didn't know what you were doing and it worked, then you were lucky and glad that what ever you done made it work.

The local Best Buy store here has a team of individuals called Geek Squad. They ride around in a Volkswagen beetle bug and for a fee, they come to your house and do the technical stuff for you.

For educated dummy's that doesn't know what they are doing, the Geek Squad is the next best thing to sliced pizza. For some tasks like a new computer or a large purchase they might come to your house free of charge.

I would suggest the next time you have a problem, not to wait a whole year to solve it and to call the Geek Squad and have them come over and solve it for you.

Sometimes the aggravation just isn't worth trying to save a couple of dollars!

I have two guys that repairs all my computer problems.

The reason I have two people is that both people has different idea's what is wrong and both of them has solutions that might work. If you rely on one person, you are going to get the same results every time you have that particular problem. By having two people, I can get each of their opinions and solutions and I don't over pester either individual.

So you can call me a educated dummy also.
I am not singling you out personally. I am just saying that the technology of some A.V systems today are very complex and if it is wired wrong, will not work properly.

IDRick · 08-04-2009, 07:59 PM

Interesting situation WillD! I had a similar problem last fall that was related to the tuner. One of my stations came through fine on the internal tv tuner but only had video when displayed through the converter box (ie antenna to converter to tv). The station blamed the converter box and told me to exchange it. I didn't get around to doing it right away... After a month, I tried the converter box again and now it had both audio and video. The local broadcaster had a problem with their signal that impacted performance of the tuner. It is possible that the signal from your locals is impairing the audio function of your internal tv tuner but not the tuner within the dish receiver.... Or, you may simply have a poor/failing tuner in your tv.

Failing signals on CBS are potentially due to multipath... A better, more directional antenna may resolve the issue. Could you post your tvfool.com results to the forum? These results will give us a better handle on your reception possibilities and challenges. Also, your current antenna, is it a passive set of rabbit ears or is it amplified?

Thanks,

Rick

aka.Hooper · 08-04-2009, 09:32 PM

And I'm in a pissy mood, and I'm going to take it out on you JB! (No offense intended.

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Originally Posted by JB Antennaman

Let's see if I can answer this one for you.

Without physically being there at your house, there is no way of knowing how you have your entertainment system wired.

Judging from his post, he has a DISH receiver that has an input port for an OTA antenna...

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I would guess that you have your receiver hooked directly to the television with a A/V plug and S port - video port.

That is probably an incorrect assumption. I'm guessing from his post that he has his DISH receiver hooked up via 75ohm F conn. Thus his ability to get something when he switched to "AIR"

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That is unless you have some sort of high def system - where you are using the signal directly from the F terminal - antenna wire that is coming out of the Dish Receiver.

This would be the absolute worst way to hook up a "hi def" system! If you have an HD Sat receiver & TV, the best would be the HDMI connection, followed by the component video connection (with optical audio for DD), followed by S-Video with DD optical audio, then composite left/right RCA audio & the S-Video, then all composite (RCA) jacks - and lastly, if you really don't know what the %*#! you're doing, the 75ohm...

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My next guess is that your Dish Receiver is not subscribed to the local channels - hence no pay per view. Most times it only costs around $5 or so a month to receive local channels off the Sat dish.

You more-or-less got this right - although I don't know what PPV has to do with having locals for $5/mo???

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So you had your antenna wired incorrectly and for some reason - you might have lived close enough to a television transmitter that the receiver was picking up the channels - even without any sort of antenna.

Maybe?

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You are confusing the Dish Receiver with the television receiver.

If you had the antenna connected to the television and you had the Dish Receiver connected to the S port or video ports. The Dish only produced sound when the video ports were connected.

Yes, he would access the input on the TV which his DISH was connected to watch DISH - and then to "AIR" or "Antenna A, B, whatever to view his locals with his rabbit ears OTA.

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Since there was no antenna on the receiver for the dish, it did not transmit a signal for the sound to your A/V system.

Did you read his post? This was the only time he did get sound! (When he hooked his rabbit ears to his DISH antenna input.)

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When you connected a antenna directly to the Dish Receiver and did a digital scan and the television or the receiver found the proper signal, then your television produced sound.

Exactly!!! When he hooked his OTA rabbit ears to his DISH reciever and used it to do a scan everything worked. When he had his rabbit ears hooked to the TV he wasn't getting a quality signal.

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My grandparents only had a 8th grade education, but were wise beyond their years. My one grandfather called book learned people - educated dummies.

I had a uncle that taught elementary English in the local school district here for 40 years. Yet he didn't know how to change a spark plug in his car or do masonry work or carpentry.

My grandfather could read and write, but wasn't smart enough to know how to write a book. Yet he could build a house with his two bare hands and a circular saw and a claw hammer. Even though his occupation for most of his life was as a coal miner and railroader.

I'm really not sure what you're trying to say, or how it's relevant to the question at hand....

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If your A/V system is hooked up wrong, then it isn't going to work.

Now THAT is a sound statement!

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If by chance, you did something right and didn't know what you were doing and it worked, then you were lucky and glad that what ever you done made it work.

No doubt!

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The local Best Buy store here has a team of individuals called Geek Squad. They ride around in a Volkswagen beetle bug and for a fee, they come to your house and do the technical stuff for you.

For educated dummy's that doesn't know what they are doing, the Geek Squad is the next best thing to sliced pizza.

Soooo, what you were trying to say before is "Knowledge isn't always knowing the answer, but knowing where to find it"? Now that makes sense JB!

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For some tasks like a new computer or a large purchase they might come to your house free of charge.

I find that highly unlikely. When last I had a problem with my computer I stopped in to talk with them and they said they'd have a "look" for like $90 - I went home and figured it out myself! But I guess business is good for them, they actually had to ditch the VW's and now they drive around in full-size vans here on L.I.

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I would suggest the next time you have a problem, not to wait a whole year to solve it and to call the Geek Squad and have them come over and solve it for you.

Sometimes the aggravation just isn't worth trying to save a couple of dollars!

He WAS trying to find an answer, but all he found was knuckleheads telling him about stories about their grandparents!!!

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I have two guys that repairs all my computer problems.

The reason I have two people is that both people has different idea's what is wrong and both of them has solutions that might work. If you rely on one person, you are going to get the same results every time you have that particular problem. By having two people, I can get each of their opinions and solutions and I don't over pester either individual.

Yes I agree, two brains are better than one. And this is usually the case - especially when dealing with computer mechanics! I know of more people that have been, shall we say, robbed by the incompetents in this field.

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So you can call me a educated dummy also.
I am not singling you out personally. I am just saying that the technology of some A.V systems today are very complex and if it is wired wrong, will not work properly.

And THAT was also well stated! Obvious, but well stated none the less...

Now to address the original posters question... From what I've read TV tuners aren't what they used to be, and even the digital/analog converter boxes blow most TV tuners away these days. So I would think it is that his TV tuner doesn't have the sensitivity of his DISH receiver's tuner - thus not being able to lock onto the marginal signal which he supplied with only a set of rabbit ears. (Don't you have any UHF channels in your area??? Rabbit ears are a VHF antenna.)

If you (the OP) would like to investigate this further, post your exact address TVFool report, and let us know which model DISH receiver you're dealing with. i.e. VIP622, 722, etc.

Loves2Watch · 08-04-2009, 10:49 PM

Since it seems you both (2 previous posters) are not familiar with Dish Equipment, the OP stated that he has a slim silver receiver which is a HD receiver and is probably connected either with component and analog/digital audio or via HDMI.

aka.Hooper · 08-04-2009, 11:41 PM

I did figure this level of receiver (with ATSC tuner build-in) was HD, and had HDMI & component out's, I just didn't think he was using them...

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My question: when I switch the TV to "Air" instead of "Satellite" (and turn off the rec.) I still get the locals BUT, there is no sound on local CBS and ABC, as before. There IS sound when I go through the sat. receiver.
Can anyone tell me why this is? there is sound going through the sat. receiver on the two problem stations but if going direct to the TV through "Air" as before, there is NO sound on the two problem locals (like it used to be). I'm a little confused.

This statement led me to believe he was connected via 75ohm F, and not a higher connection, otherwise how is he getting anything when he switches his TV to "AIR" (thus accessing the 75ohm F) without any antenna connected to the TV???

EDIT: That is assuming the DISH receiver passes a full rge signal when turned off. (You are correct; I am not that familiar with these receivers.)

IDRick · 08-05-2009, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loves2Watch

Since it seems you both (2 previous posters) are not familiar with Dish Equipment, the OP stated that he has a slim silver receiver which is a HD receiver and is probably connected either with component and analog/digital audio or via HDMI.

Hmmm, I didn't make any assumptions as to how the OP connected his tv to his dish equipment. Based on his post, it appears to be an internal tv tuner problem rather than an connections issue. JMO.

JB Antennaman · 08-05-2009, 10:09 AM

What it boils down to - is - if you have a service subscription for the local channels, something that I like to call pay per view, since if you do not pay for it, you do no receive it.

If the person did not subscribe to the local channels, the only other option was some sort of antenna connected directly to the receiver.

Now on the other hand, if he did pay for it and did not receive it, then it could have been a problem between the local service provider - television station and their connection to the local sat service provider.

Some of not most stations has a direct fiber optic cable ran directly between the television station and the Dish network up link.

Some Dish type companies were slow to adapt and change their signal between the analog and the digital and to kick them in the butt to make them upgrade the signal, the local television stations shut off from time to time the analog signal - to make the Dish service providers get off their butts and do the conversion.

Usually when a soap opera or Dancing With the Star's was on or something that was important to the female segment of the population. Since a little whining and complaining by the women seem's to get more accomplished than if you turned it off while the men were at work and a fishing program was on.

Once the digital conversion was complete, the system should have had the bugs worked out of it and that could be the reason why he had no sound and now does.

The television stations don't like catching heck when they are transmitting the signal and the dish people are not - since it was not their fault that you could not receive it.

There was also some talk about certain parts of the country where either the television station wanted a piece of the Dish income or the Dish wanted a piece of the local broadcasters pie and if no agreement was reached, they just shut the local channels off and told the subscribers to get a outdoors antenna.

Sam Spastic · 08-07-2009, 06:31 AM

I had a similar problem with CBS. No sound on prime time programs. All other channels worked fine. Then something changed and I had sound on the primetime progs but not on the commercials. When I turned off the Dolby Digital everything had sound. This was about a year ago and has resolved itself.

So I suggest going to PCM to see if that fixes it.

highdefjeff · 08-08-2009, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WillD

Can someone explain what is happening?
To summarize; I had a problem with getting no sound on local CBS and ABC Digital signals, other locals were okay.
I did get sound on local ABC just for local programming, but that disappeared after a while, no sound at all on local CBS for the past year. (made a post a couple of months ago.)

I read through the Dish manual about local stations. I connected the rabbit ears directly into the Dish HD receiver (the slim silver one) instead of directly to the TV and then scanned for local digital channels through the Sat. receiver; it picked numerous locals. I now can get the locals through the satellite receiver.
The Dish program guide now shows the local stations and substations, although without program names and program descriptions as with satellite channels.

Here's the good part: when I turn the sat. receiver on I can access all the locals and I now get sound on both CBS and ABC local stations. I'm assuming the signals are coming through the rabbit ears and looping through the receiver.

My question: when I switch the TV to "Air" instead of "Satellite" (and turn off the rec.) I still get the locals BUT, there is no sound on local CBS and ABC, as before. There IS sound when I go through the sat. receiver.
Can anyone tell me why this is? there is sound going through the sat. receiver on the two problem stations but if going direct to the TV through "Air" as before, there is NO sound on the two problem locals (like it used to be). I'm a little confused.

My other annoying problem: I'm continuously losing the signal on the problem CBS local. The banner for the locals shows signal strength and the local CBS is usually in the low 70's (the others are all about 80 or higher) and I continuously lose the signal. Sometimes it's okay for ten minutes, but when I start losing the signal it comes on for ten seconds, then lose the signal, then on for a few seconds. This is the pattern. It's seems to be only the CBS local.
The rabbit ears face NW since that's where the local signals come from. I'm also guessing digital signals are weaker than analog and subject to disruption much more easily. (good guess, you're right!) There's nothing outside that would be in the way, no trees or buildings.
For Dish, I'm not sure if a low 70's signal strength is considered good or not.

I now know the TV digital tuner was not the problem as the local CBS tried to tell me.
Sorry for the long post.

Sure, I'll tell you. It is low signal strength. With digital broadcasting, the elementary audio and video packet stream comes separate and are synchronized together at decoding in your receiver. In your case the information that is corrupted or lost in your low signal, is the entire audio stream. Lip sync problems are usually related to low signal strength, also, except there is enough information for the audio to play but the sync/clock packets get corrupted.

The Dish OTA receiver is, in this case, superior in sensitivity to that of your TV's tuner. And you should have your answer about whether low 70's is good enough....

So much for all-or-nothing.

highdefjeff · 08-08-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Spastic

I had a similar problem with CBS. No sound on prime time programs. All other channels worked fine. Then something changed and I had sound on the primetime progs but not on the commercials. When I turned off the Dolby Digital everything had sound. This was about a year ago and has resolved itself.

So I suggest going to PCM to see if that fixes it.

Dolby digital requires more information than a simple audio stream. Your signal content had enough to give you sound, but not enough to give you Dolby digital surround. It is called scaling. SNR(Signal-to-noise ratio) scaling or SVC (Scalable Video Coding).

Sam Spastic · 08-09-2009, 03:25 AM

Not a signal level problem. Was 90% on H20 receiver. 7 or 8 bars on the Samsung. It was just some weirdness in the codec they were sending. Like I said the commercials and local programming had sound but not the network then several weeks later that flipped and we had bliss for primetime.

Now everything works but the commercials are twice as loud as programs. Is that legal now? It sure gets me mads as hell and I made a list of loud commercials and products I won't buy.

otaota · 08-09-2009, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by highdefjeff

It is low signal strength. With digital broadcasting, the elementary audio and video packet stream comes separate and are synchronized together at decoding in your receiver. In your case the information that is corrupted or lost in your low signal, is the entire audio stream.

This is not correct.

Yes, audio and video are separate streams of digital data, but they are multiplexed (interleaved) together into a single MPEG2 stream for transmission. This is similar to the way data is encoded on a DVD.

If you lose data, you'll lose parts of the multiplexed stream, which clobbers both the video and audio. The OP was reporting fine video with no audio. This cannot be caused by poor signal strength.

What may be happening is that the station is broadcasting 5.1 audio on their prime time programming and standard stereo the rest of the time. Some TVs and DVRs give you the option of passing 5.1 audio streams (in Dolby Digital, a.k.a. AC3 format) in pure digital format out to an external decoder. Some people have amps or other audio equipment that has a built-in AC3 decoder that they prefer to use because it directly drives their speakers.

If the digital audio output is being passed to a device that does not understand AC3, then you'll get no audio.

If the external audio decoder does not understand AC3, then the OP should probably check the TV receiver's options. Most ATSC receivers are supposed to be able to decode AC3 streams themselves. The receiver's menu may have an option to set whether it passes digital audio directly or converts it to stereo first.

Cheers,

jim5506 · 08-09-2009, 12:05 PM

And athletes foot is caused by low signal level, too.

otaota · 08-09-2009, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by highdefjeff

Dolby digital requires more information than a simple audio stream. Your signal content had enough to give you sound, but not enough to give you Dolby digital surround. It is called scaling. SNR(Signal-to-noise ratio) scaling or SVC (Scalable Video Coding).

This is also incorrect. Digital television does not gradually break down as implied by this post.

All audio streams (if multiple audio streams are present) are muxed together. The ATSC signal carries them all together. If you are getting weak signal and losing some of that data, then all audio and video streams get clobbered together.

The "digital cliff" is where everything goes from near perfect to nothing right at the threshold of reception (audio and video go out together). Perfect video and screwed up audio are pointing to some other kind of problem unrelated to marginal reception of the channel.

Just needed to point this out so that people don't get the wrong ideas about digital television.

Cheers,

08-04-2009, 01:53 PM	#1
WillD How can anyone watch standard def? Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 24	Local Digital sound problem solved, not quite sure how I did it. Can someone explain what is happening? To summarize; I had a problem with getting no sound on local CBS and ABC Digital signals, other locals were okay. I did get sound on local ABC just for local programming, but that disappeared after a while, no sound at all on local CBS for the past year. (made a post a couple of months ago.) I read through the Dish manual about local stations. I connected the rabbit ears directly into the Dish HD receiver (the slim silver one) instead of directly to the TV and then scanned for local digital channels through the Sat. receiver; it picked numerous locals. I now can get the locals through the satellite receiver. The Dish program guide now shows the local stations and substations, although without program names and program descriptions as with satellite channels. Here's the good part: when I turn the sat. receiver on I can access all the locals and I now get sound on both CBS and ABC local stations. I'm assuming the signals are coming through the rabbit ears and looping through the receiver. My question: when I switch the TV to "Air" instead of "Satellite" (and turn off the rec.) I still get the locals BUT, there is no sound on local CBS and ABC, as before. There IS sound when I go through the sat. receiver. Can anyone tell me why this is? there is sound going through the sat. receiver on the two problem stations but if going direct to the TV through "Air" as before, there is NO sound on the two problem locals (like it used to be). I'm a little confused. My other annoying problem: I'm continuously losing the signal on the problem CBS local. The banner for the locals shows signal strength and the local CBS is usually in the low 70's (the others are all about 80 or higher) and I continuously lose the signal. Sometimes it's okay for ten minutes, but when I start losing the signal it comes on for ten seconds, then lose the signal, then on for a few seconds. This is the pattern. It's seems to be only the CBS local. The rabbit ears face NW since that's where the local signals come from. I'm also guessing digital signals are weaker than analog and subject to disruption much more easily. There's nothing outside that would be in the way, no trees or buildings. For Dish, I'm not sure if a low 70's signal strength is considered good or not. I now know the TV digital tuner was not the problem as the local CBS tried to tell me. Sorry for the long post.

08-04-2009, 10:49 PM	#5
Loves2Watch Did I Do That? Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Omicron Persei 8 Posts: 16,609	Since it seems you both (2 previous posters) are not familiar with Dish Equipment, the OP stated that he has a slim silver receiver which is a HD receiver and is probably connected either with component and analog/digital audio or via HDMI. __________________ Friends don't let friends buy Korean brand TV's or Blu-ray players. Main HT Room - Panasonic PT-AE4000U, Draper Premier 119" 16:9 Projector Screen, Panasonic TH-85PF12U Plasma TV, 6 Conrad Johnson LP275M Amps, Anthem Statement D-2 Pre/Pro, 6 Thiel SCS4 Speakers, 2 REL T-1 Subs, Infinity Interlude 120S Sub, Simaudio MOON Orbiter Universal Disc Player, ELP Laser Turntable, 2 Dish Network ViP 622 DVR's, Oppo BDP-83 Blu-ray Player, Onkyo DV-HD805 HD DVD Player.

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08-04-2009, 07:59 PM	#3
IDRick High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Eastern Idaho Posts: 1,491	Interesting situation WillD! I had a similar problem last fall that was related to the tuner. One of my stations came through fine on the internal tv tuner but only had video when displayed through the converter box (ie antenna to converter to tv). The station blamed the converter box and told me to exchange it. I didn't get around to doing it right away... After a month, I tried the converter box again and now it had both audio and video. The local broadcaster had a problem with their signal that impacted performance of the tuner. It is possible that the signal from your locals is impairing the audio function of your internal tv tuner but not the tuner within the dish receiver.... Or, you may simply have a poor/failing tuner in your tv. Failing signals on CBS are potentially due to multipath... A better, more directional antenna may resolve the issue. Could you post your tvfool.com results to the forum? These results will give us a better handle on your reception possibilities and challenges. Also, your current antenna, is it a passive set of rabbit ears or is it amplified? Thanks, Rick

08-05-2009, 10:09 AM	#8
JB Antennaman High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Jefferson County - Pennsylvania, high atop a hill Posts: 776	What it boils down to - is - if you have a service subscription for the local channels, something that I like to call pay per view, since if you do not pay for it, you do no receive it. If the person did not subscribe to the local channels, the only other option was some sort of antenna connected directly to the receiver. Now on the other hand, if he did pay for it and did not receive it, then it could have been a problem between the local service provider - television station and their connection to the local sat service provider. Some of not most stations has a direct fiber optic cable ran directly between the television station and the Dish network up link. Some Dish type companies were slow to adapt and change their signal between the analog and the digital and to kick them in the butt to make them upgrade the signal, the local television stations shut off from time to time the analog signal - to make the Dish service providers get off their butts and do the conversion. Usually when a soap opera or Dancing With the Star's was on or something that was important to the female segment of the population. Since a little whining and complaining by the women seem's to get more accomplished than if you turned it off while the men were at work and a fishing program was on. Once the digital conversion was complete, the system should have had the bugs worked out of it and that could be the reason why he had no sound and now does. The television stations don't like catching heck when they are transmitting the signal and the dish people are not - since it was not their fault that you could not receive it. There was also some talk about certain parts of the country where either the television station wanted a piece of the Dish income or the Dish wanted a piece of the local broadcasters pie and if no agreement was reached, they just shut the local channels off and told the subscribers to get a outdoors antenna.

08-07-2009, 06:31 AM	#9
Sam Spastic High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Just south of Normal Posts: 131	I had a similar problem with CBS. No sound on prime time programs. All other channels worked fine. Then something changed and I had sound on the primetime progs but not on the commercials. When I turned off the Dolby Digital everything had sound. This was about a year ago and has resolved itself. So I suggest going to PCM to see if that fixes it.

08-09-2009, 03:25 AM	#12
Sam Spastic High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Just south of Normal Posts: 131	Not a signal level problem. Was 90% on H20 receiver. 7 or 8 bars on the Samsung. It was just some weirdness in the codec they were sending. Like I said the commercials and local programming had sound but not the network then several weeks later that flipped and we had bliss for primetime. Now everything works but the commercials are twice as loud as programs. Is that legal now? It sure gets me mads as hell and I made a list of loud commercials and products I won't buy.