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Old 01-14-2009, 02:38 PM   #1
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Talking 4228 vs 4228HD vs U8000 vs DB8 vs XG91

Ok Guys.. this is a big one but we'll see how it goes. I am looking at pulling in all Tucson + Phoenix stations. I don't care about VHF as I already have an antenna I will use for the 2-3 VHF stations that will be broadcasting in DTV here. For reference, my zip code is 85742.

I was going to order a 4228HD but CM is not shipping them out to any retailer for a couple of weeks. I got impatient and started looking at the AntennaCraft U8000.

I have direct line of sight (no hills/mountains/anything) to the antenna's in phoenix (89 miles away) and I know for a fact they get picked up on a 4221 with an ancient pre-amp at my father's house a few miles away.

However -- he does not pick up all of the channels from phoenix with his 4221 and ancient preamp. I am a few miles closer and have a more direct line of sight.

I am wondering what your opinions and experiences are with the antenna's listed in the topic title. I would love to get the 4228HD but I don't want to wait for it unless they made some changes that justify waiting for it over another antenna that will perform equally.

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Old 01-14-2009, 03:05 PM   #2
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According to tvfool, you're deep fringe to Phoenix. Results may differ if you use your actual address rather than a zip code. I recommend the XG-91. See Tiger Bangs deep fringe prescription, sticky thread in this forum.

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Old 01-14-2009, 04:23 PM   #3
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Looked at the prescription earlier.. I know my father which is a few miles away can pick up most of those ~95 mile away stations with the CM 4221. My thinking with a 8-bay vs his 4-bay is that it provides a larger area to catch the distant signal. This combined with the CM 7777 pre-amp should be good.

I am open to plenty of more opinions on the antenna's mentioned
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Old 01-14-2009, 05:56 PM   #4
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I've had the 4228HD for over a month. It IS available. Try Warren Electronics on the web. I really like my 91XG.

Just to be clear, my antenna setup includes a 91XG and a Funke PSP 1922 pointed east, a 4228HD pointed northwest and another Funke PSP 1922 pointed west northwest. The 4228HD works fine and comes all in one piece, which is nice. The 91XG works fantastic. The Funke PSP 1922 is the incredible performer though...I receive channel 13 from 106 miles away 24/7 over hilly and wooded terrain. I had NEVER even seen this analog channel in a very weak and fuzzy manner prior to the Funke purchases.

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Old 01-14-2009, 06:18 PM   #5
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Yup, CM4228 HD is available through Solid Signal or Amazon to name a couple.
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Old 01-14-2009, 06:59 PM   #6
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Yup, CM4228 HD is available through Solid Signal or Amazon to name a couple.
SolidSignal, SummitSource, Amazon Sellers, Crutchfield, Warren, eBay - all sold out or backordered for the 4228HD. That's what got me thinking to try to get a U8000.
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Old 01-15-2009, 06:55 PM   #7
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For reference, here are some images of the tvfool and 2150 information in regards to the exact location of the antenna. I'm not sure why tvfool does not list the phoenix stations as direct line of sight -- as far as I can tell they are all broadcast from the same hill if I remember correctly. I am fairly confident there is nothing inbetween except sand.

Let me know what you think. I know my father picks up most of the phoenix ones (85-95 miles away) with his CM 4221 and old radioshack preamp. Just have a look at the images and let me know what you think about my location.
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Thanks for the advice all .. I am going with the XG91 and Winegard GS1100 hooked up to a CM 7777 preamp and the Eagle Aspen ROTR100 rotator (it's the "one-wire" rotator, but I am hooking it up on it's own wire so I don't lose any gain).

I now have to think about where to place the antenna that will give me the most line of sight to the signals or bounced signals. Now that I look, I have some neighbors with taller trees in their yards that I have to try to work between.
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Old 01-16-2009, 04:36 PM   #9
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At 89 miles from the transmitters, the reason that you don't see a "LOS" for the Phoenix stations is because 65 miles is the horizon over flat terrain: you are getting some lift from the fact that the Superstision mountains lift the transmitters by 1500', but you still are NOT "LOS" at almost 90 miles away. The Phoenix stations are also weak enough at your location in digital that you will need all the gain that a deep-fringe antenna wil provide you.

As for your choice of a preamp, buy the high-input Winegard HDP-269 rather than the Channel Master Titan 7777 because you are going to seriously overload a Titan 7777 with your Tucson stations . While the Winegard doesn't have the same amount of gain as the Channel Master, it has similar noise levels, and gain is not a factor in figuring reception for digital: you are JUST concerned about the amount oof noise that the preamplifier adds. Preamplifier gain is ONLY used to overcome cable and splitter losses after the preamplifier in the line, the gain figure of the preamp is NOT used when calculating potential reception from an antenna when looking for digital stations. A preamplifier overload condition will manifest itself in disappearing channels on digital stations, with almost no other indication that anything is wrong, so go with the Winegard HDP-269 in this instance instead....
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Old 02-12-2009, 07:17 AM   #10
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You can get your cm4228hd at you local ACE hardware for $89.97.I just purchased one yesterday(2/12/09).You may have to wait one week if it is not in stock.I live in northwestern PA, and about 40 available channels to pick up,(within 70 miles,mostly channels 17-53)only one vhf.I have a rotor so I hope to bring in most of these.I presently have a 30-40 year old UHF small bow tie channel master now.I am receiving 12 digital and 20 analog now.I also have cm7777 hooked up to it now.Any suggestions?
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Thanks for the advice all .. I am going with the XG91 and Winegard GS1100 hooked up to a CM 7777 preamp and the Eagle Aspen ROTR100 rotator (it's the "one-wire" rotator, but I am hooking it up on it's own wire so I don't lose any gain).
Let us know how you like the Eagle Aspen rotor. I've been thinking about replacing my CM 9521, but have heard limited feedback on it. Videobruce recommends it highly because of it's ability to stay sychronized, but I'm not sure of it's reliablity.

You should be very pleased with the 91-XG. Once you find a sweet spot, and fine tune the tilt you'll be one happy camper. I recently discovered that I am picking up a 1 kw channel 21 @ 70 miles out. It isn't decoding; but shows activity on the Zenith DTT-900.(No pre-amp) The most amazing part is the fact that there is another stronger channel 21 @ 80 miles out from another direction. I also have a 4 million watt channel 20 only 4 miles away; but the extreme selectivity of the 91-XG all but ignores the strong adjacent channel.
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