Over-the-Air Reception Devices Rule

Nu2HD · 04-05-2005, 06:18 PM

Thanks for the input.

Does anyone have a suggested antenna, pre-amp, amp , etc configuration they prefer? I like the LG LST-4200A suggestion.
What kind of connections from this type of receiver?
The new TV is a Toshiba HMX84 with HDMI, component, etc inputs.
I'm assuming that none of these strictly OTA receivers has an HDMI output.

hdtv4me2 · 04-06-2005, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Nu2HD

Thanks for the input.

Does anyone have a suggested antenna, pre-amp, amp , etc configuration they prefer? I like the LG LST-4200A suggestion.
What kind of connections from this type of receiver?
The new TV is a Toshiba HMX84 with HDMI, component, etc inputs.
I'm assuming that none of these strictly OTA receivers has an HDMI output.

I believe the LG HD receivers have a DVI output as well as component and probably others. You can get a DVI to HDMI cable if that's the way you would like to set it up. Go to www.antennaweb.org and put in your address to see what's available, where it's coming from, direction, and see if it's all UHF or UHF and VHF. You can post the results here or give us your zip code and an antenna setup can then be recommended.

Nu2HD · 04-06-2005, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by hdtv4me2

I believe the LG HD receivers have a DVI output as well as component and probably others. You can get a DVI to HDMI cable if that's the way you would like to set it up. Go to www.antennaweb.org and put in your address to see what's available, where it's coming from, direction, and see if it's all UHF or UHF and VHF. You can post the results here or give us your zip code and an antenna setup can then be recommended.

Unforfunatly I live in the "Golden Horseshoe" East of Toronto along Lake Ontario. I'm very close approx. 20 miles from Toronto and about 60 to 70 miles (as the crow flies) from Buffalo (across the Lake). I haven't found a site that gives me the specifics that the site you refered gives. I do know there are a number of stations in the area that are brodcasting in HD.

Anything you could suggest would help.

Thanks,

RSawdey · 04-06-2005, 11:12 PM

I take it then your problem is AntennaWeb won't accept a Canadian post code where it wants a U.S. zipcode... you might punch in a Buffalo zipcode to get some idea what's out there...

delyan · 05-17-2005, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RSawdey

Note the OTA tuners in the Sat STBs from Dish or VOOM will NOT work without a subscription. DirecTV will, after changing the setup.

My VOOM receiver works even after the service shut down.

Blue_Tech · 06-06-2005, 05:09 AM

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My VOOM receiver works even after the service shut down.

There are loopholes in the system. Receivers can continue to work for weeks after official disconnection. Not talking bootleg cards here either.

And yes, I'm way off topic here.

jaydub · 09-14-2005, 02:00 AM

I live in San Jose, CA 95120, I cannot get the Fox local HD feed to come in, I have no problems with the other networks (ABC, CBS and NBC), it is not even coming up on the channel guide, any ideas what's going on here ?, I've tried everything and still no luck, I have a Samsung HD receiver which I use in combination with a DTV Tivo Sat receiver and it's been working great other than for Fox HD, any information would be much appreciated, Thanks !

maicaw · 09-30-2005, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rbinck

04/01/05 --The ultimate goal is to get all DTV in the UHF band on channels 14 to 51. This will allow the VHF band channels 1-13 and the upper UHF band channels 52-69 to be reclaimed for future auction by the FCC. First will be the upper UHF band channels 52-69 followed by the VHF band channels 1-13. Here is a good article about all of this goings on with the whys and wherefores:http://www.r-vcr.com/~television/TV/Lost.htm

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There is still some political wrangling to be done before the VHF television channels are similarly reclaimed. However it is done, the permanenent channel assignment for each stations DTV broadcasting will be selected prior to January 1, 2004, and must meet with FCC approval.

Also check out this Power Point Presentation:
(H)DTV and the Broadband Digital Migration

I know this is a 6 month old post but I wonder if you could elaborate on the relinquishing of the VHF channels-is that truly the case - one frequent poster http://www.highdefforum.com/showpost...03&postcount=4 continues to frequently post quite the opposite information.

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09/30/05 --Although many HD stations are in the UHF band, many will move down to VHF when they turn off their analog broadcasts...

RSawdey · 09-30-2005, 07:41 PM

Here's the latest on channel allocations...
http://www.fcc.gov/dtv

maicaw · 09-30-2005, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RSawdey

Here's the latest on channel allocations...
http://www.fcc.gov/dtv

Thats a list of a hundred or more FCC documents and hearings on as many different topics -searching through the HTML for allocation I could find no articles since 1997 on that topic - since the reference posted by me in #38 is dated 3/24/01- maybe you could be a little more informative as to what contemporary document you had reference to -perhaps even quoting the relevant paragraphs you base your statements on.

**rbinck** · 09-30-2005, 09:01 PM

In all fairness this migration is far from set in stone and as far as I know I have not found a site that keeps up with the day to day changes that they are making. I have given up on making any statements about the TV spectrum as there are very powerful lobby efforts at play.

I'm not sure we will know for sure how all this will shake out until it is shook out. If you try to get any information on the net, you just end up in a circle. I would like to find the location that talks about the power saving aspects going to VHF channels.

RSawdey · 10-01-2005, 05:41 PM

Second document on the page, DTV Tentative Channel Designations for 1,554 Stations Participating in the First Round of DTV Channel Elections.

It's a list of the current NTSC, current ATSC, and final (after analog switchoff) channel designations. Note it includes both VHF and UHF frequencies.

Tony Neece · 10-23-2005, 05:16 PM

There are going to be HDTV stations operating in the High VHF band Channels 7-13. While the FCC could authorize stations to operate in the low VHF band it is not likely any will choose to do so because impulse noise (power lines, electrical machinery, ligtening etc) is a problem in that spectrum range and below. Digital signals are adversely affected by such noise. The annoying streaks you see on an analog station when someone nearby is running a hair dryer would make a digital signal un-decodeable.

Once a firm analog shut-off takes effect, all the TV spectrum above channel 51 except for the ones reserved for Public Safety Services will be auctioned off for a variety of uses, including OTA HDTV. Some of those channels have already been auctioned off and are in use for other than TV, but strictly on a non-interference to existing TV stations basis. That restriction will be removed when the analog shut-off takes effect.

This is pretty well cast in stone now. The only issue un-resolved is the time of the firm cut-off of current TV stations to vacate those channels, and for all stations to end analog transmission.

The big bug-a-boo in the politics is how much money will the fed budget have to devote to subsidising lower-income viewers to help pay for converter boxes. Also when and if manufacturers will build such boxes for under $100.

Meanwhile the millions and millions the broadcasters have spent over the past 7 years to give viewers a very superior digital signal have gone largely to waste, because few viewers have been willing to spent the hundreds of dollars for converter boxes for their existing tv sets.

Tony

RSawdey · 10-23-2005, 07:19 PM

The U.S. Senate Commerce Committee on Thursday approved a deadline of April 7, 2009, for television stations to broadcast only higher-quality digital signals.

The measure also sets aside $3 billion to subsidize some of the costs of Americans buying devices that would convert digital signals so that existing analog television sets could still work.

Tony Neece · 10-24-2005, 04:10 AM

Now that is news!! Is this simply a recommendation to the full senate or does it mean a bill has actually been marked up for debate and vote by the senate? At this point I am pretty sure it does not yet carry the force of law.

I wonder who will end up distributing those STBs. Retailers have shown strong dis-interest in stocking them, even some tell customers no such thing exists. Apparently they feel a large volume of low priced converters will hurt sales of DVD players, new TVS and commissions on cable or satelitte sign ups.

I'd bet on Wal-Mart, Target etc. moving a ton of them if the price can be brought in under $100. There are a lot of second sets in cable/sat. households that are not connected, due to the extra monthly charge, or the inconvenience of running coax all around the house.

Tony

04-05-2005, 06:18 PM	#31
Nu2HD What is HD? Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3	Recommendation Thanks for the input. Does anyone have a suggested antenna, pre-amp, amp , etc configuration they prefer? I like the LG LST-4200A suggestion. What kind of connections from this type of receiver? The new TV is a Toshiba HMX84 with HDMI, component, etc inputs. I'm assuming that none of these strictly OTA receivers has an HDMI output.

09-14-2005, 02:00 AM	#37
jaydub What is HD? Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2	Fox local HD feed ? I live in San Jose, CA 95120, I cannot get the Fox local HD feed to come in, I have no problems with the other networks (ABC, CBS and NBC), it is not even coming up on the channel guide, any ideas what's going on here ?, I've tried everything and still no luck, I have a Samsung HD receiver which I use in combination with a DTV Tivo Sat receiver and it's been working great other than for Fox HD, any information would be much appreciated, Thanks !

09-30-2005, 09:01 PM	#41
rbinck Administrator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Katy, Texas Posts: 12,335	In all fairness this migration is far from set in stone and as far as I know I have not found a site that keeps up with the day to day changes that they are making. I have given up on making any statements about the TV spectrum as there are very powerful lobby efforts at play. I'm not sure we will know for sure how all this will shake out until it is shook out. If you try to get any information on the net, you just end up in a circle. I would like to find the location that talks about the power saving aspects going to VHF channels. __________________ www.highdefinitionblog.com www.BlogOfHawaii.com

10-23-2005, 05:16 PM	#43
Tony Neece My plasma is High Def. Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5	TV spectrum and the digital transition There are going to be HDTV stations operating in the High VHF band Channels 7-13. While the FCC could authorize stations to operate in the low VHF band it is not likely any will choose to do so because impulse noise (power lines, electrical machinery, ligtening etc) is a problem in that spectrum range and below. Digital signals are adversely affected by such noise. The annoying streaks you see on an analog station when someone nearby is running a hair dryer would make a digital signal un-decodeable. Once a firm analog shut-off takes effect, all the TV spectrum above channel 51 except for the ones reserved for Public Safety Services will be auctioned off for a variety of uses, including OTA HDTV. Some of those channels have already been auctioned off and are in use for other than TV, but strictly on a non-interference to existing TV stations basis. That restriction will be removed when the analog shut-off takes effect. This is pretty well cast in stone now. The only issue un-resolved is the time of the firm cut-off of current TV stations to vacate those channels, and for all stations to end analog transmission. The big bug-a-boo in the politics is how much money will the fed budget have to devote to subsidising lower-income viewers to help pay for converter boxes. Also when and if manufacturers will build such boxes for under $100. Meanwhile the millions and millions the broadcasters have spent over the past 7 years to give viewers a very superior digital signal have gone largely to waste, because few viewers have been willing to spent the hundreds of dollars for converter boxes for their existing tv sets. Tony

10-24-2005, 04:10 AM	#45
Tony Neece My plasma is High Def. Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5	Senate Commerce Comittee Analog TV Deadline Now that is news!! Is this simply a recommendation to the full senate or does it mean a bill has actually been marked up for debate and vote by the senate? At this point I am pretty sure it does not yet carry the force of law. I wonder who will end up distributing those STBs. Retailers have shown strong dis-interest in stocking them, even some tell customers no such thing exists. Apparently they feel a large volume of low priced converters will hurt sales of DVD players, new TVS and commissions on cable or satelitte sign ups. I'd bet on Wal-Mart, Target etc. moving a ton of them if the price can be brought in under $100. There are a lot of second sets in cable/sat. households that are not connected, due to the extra monthly charge, or the inconvenience of running coax all around the house. Tony

04-06-2005, 11:12 PM	#34
RSawdey Mr. Wizard Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ferndale, Michigan Age: 61 Posts: 5,981	I take it then your problem is AntennaWeb won't accept a Canadian post code where it wants a U.S. zipcode... you might punch in a Buffalo zipcode to get some idea what's out there...

09-30-2005, 07:41 PM	#39
RSawdey Mr. Wizard Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ferndale, Michigan Age: 61 Posts: 5,981	Here's the latest on channel allocations... http://www.fcc.gov/dtv

10-01-2005, 05:41 PM	#42
RSawdey Mr. Wizard Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ferndale, Michigan Age: 61 Posts: 5,981	Second document on the page, DTV Tentative Channel Designations for 1,554 Stations Participating in the First Round of DTV Channel Elections. It's a list of the current NTSC, current ATSC, and final (after analog switchoff) channel designations. Note it includes both VHF and UHF frequencies.

10-23-2005, 07:19 PM	#44
RSawdey Mr. Wizard Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ferndale, Michigan Age: 61 Posts: 5,981	The U.S. Senate Commerce Committee on Thursday approved a deadline of April 7, 2009, for television stations to broadcast only higher-quality digital signals. The measure also sets aside $3 billion to subsidize some of the costs of Americans buying devices that would convert digital signals so that existing analog television sets could still work.