tigerbangs prescription for deep fringe reception

keith.thompson · 12-30-2008, 10:36 AM

I am planning to combine the directv signal with the OTA signals and run down the same coax. I need 3 splitters / diplexors at each TV to seperate the signal.

Attached is a quick image at what I am looking at doing. Hopefully you can see it, I had to shrink it so much. I am looking at the CM3009 Jmount. The wife will never let me mount on the roof.

gjvrieze · 12-30-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by keith.thompson

I am planning to combine the directv signal with the OTA signals and run down the same coax. I need 3 splitters / diplexors at each TV to seperate the signal.

Attached is a quick image at what I am looking at doing. Hopefully you can see it, I had to shrink it so much. I am looking at the CM3009 Jmount. The wife will never let me mount on the roof.

Which way is towards the 3 strong stations? Any chance going up higher then that, even if mounted on the gable fascia?

keith.thompson · 12-30-2008, 01:35 PM

Towards the camera. If the house horizontally was the x axis, vertical y axis, and towards the camera z axis. the towers are +z. Hope that helps.

I'll go up the fascia as high as I can. The wife just dosn't want to be able to see it from the road.

gjvrieze · 12-30-2008, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by keith.thompson

Towards the camera. If the house horizontally was the x axis, vertical y axis, and towards the camera z axis. the towers are +z. Hope that helps.

I'll go up the fascia as high as I can. The wife just dosn't want to be able to see it from the road.

Ya, a long "J" mount not the short one for sat dishs, there is a taller version better for the DB4 or wall mount brackets with the right spacing out from the house to match the soffit would work good with a DB4, and it is VERY hard to see from the ground, so I do not think your wife antenna "issues" will be a problem LOL:-) I just put a 50ft tower right in front of a backyard facing window, I heard about that from my mom, but my come back was, well, I am moving out in the next 2 years and the tower will come down and go with me:-)

EDIT: here is a long "J" for a good price: http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_disp...p?PROD=DS-3000

lugerunner · 12-30-2008, 10:20 PM

Live 30 miles west of Cincinnati,Oh area. I live in a small valley, hills 360 around me about 200 feet to the top. Antenna,old cm? from radioshack, is about 20 feet in the air with winegard AP8700 amp. Coax is 100 feet long to the tv. Magnavox tb100mw9 converter box. Channel 5 strongest at 80, ch 12 worst at 16,signal strength. Ch 12 goes NO SIGNAL. It's been suggested to go with Winegard HDP7697 or XG91, YA1713, and CM 7777 pre-amp. Ch 9 and 12 are my problems, I just need a little more to bring them in. Any help appreciated.

hoopitup2000 · 12-31-2008, 06:51 AM

Lugerunner,

Welcome to the forum!! With the signal levels you have I would go with the separate antennas(91-XG & YA-1713). While the suggested Winegard combo antenna is a good choice; the separates will provide superior UHF performance, and better multipath rejection.

The low noise CM7777 pre-amp is also a good recommendation as it has separate inputs for VHF & UHF antennas. This is the most efficient method of combining the 2 antennas.

Good luck!!

lugerunner · 12-31-2008, 08:44 AM

I just bought the Winegard ap8700 about 3 weeks ago. Is there any way to use it instead of cm7777? If not what is your idea on an antenna setup using the 8700.

gjvrieze · 12-31-2008, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by lugerunner

I just bought the Winegard ap8700 about 3 weeks ago. Is there any way to use it instead of cm7777? If not what is your idea on an antenna setup using the 8700.

You could give the Pico Macom UVSJ a try with your 8700.... Grab a 91XG and Y7-13 for starters, get it install up as high as possible, then switch amps if need be....

lugerunner · 12-31-2008, 03:33 PM

Next ? I am not asking you to spoon feed me just nudge me in the right direction as to hooking up two diff antennas. I can read my way thru it but this site is HUGE. Thanks for any nudges and Happy New Year to all.

hoopitup2000 · 12-31-2008, 03:55 PM

It's very simple. I would use this indoors, right where the coax enters the house, right before the pre-amp.

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?prod=UVSJ

If you want the pre-amp outside, closer to the antenna; use this model.

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_disp...ANTDRCT-COMBNR

IDRick · 12-31-2008, 03:55 PM

Lugerunner,

gjvriese suggested that you use a usvj to join the XG91 and YA1713 while using your Winegard preamp. If you need more preamp, you could switch to the CM7777. He gave you all you needed. He's a great poster and always helpful to others.

lugerunner · 12-31-2008, 04:09 PM

I guess my statement wasn't clear. I am going to do as gjvriese said. I need to know about stacking, or side by side, antennas. If I only had one, no problem but I'm sure there must be a right way to mount two antennas on a 30 ft pole behind the house. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

iroc_zz · 12-31-2008, 04:14 PM

Looking for recommendations for pulling in some of the stations in the 50-80 mile range with out over powering the closer stations.
My current antenna is on the roof about 30 feet off the ground and has a rotator on it already.
The cable runs from the antenna about 45-50 feet to the basement to a 4 way splitter and then has two runs that are about 25-30 feet long going back to the second floor tv's .
I am planning on ordering a CM7777 to replace the cheap Magnavox pre-amp that just went bad.

I was thinking of going with a DB8 and a VIP-307SR or a HD8200U by itself, any thoughts?
Would I need to run a distribution amplifier because of the long runs after the splitter?

IDRick · 12-31-2008, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lugerunner

I guess my statement wasn't clear. I am going to do as gjvriese said. I need to know about stacking, or side by side, antennas. If I only had one, no problem but I'm sure there must be a right way to mount two antennas on a 30 ft pole behind the house. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

No problem luge. Look at Hoop's avator. That shows stacked XG91 (top) and 1713 (bottom). He can give you details.

Best,

RIck

gjvrieze · 12-31-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by iroc_zz

Looking for recommendations for pulling in some of the stations in the 50-80 mile range with out over powering the closer stations.
My current antenna is on the roof about 30 feet off the ground and has a rotator on it already.
The cable runs from the antenna about 45-50 feet to the basement to a 4 way splitter and then has two runs that are about 25-30 feet long going back to the second floor tv's .
I am planning on ordering a CM7777 to replace the cheap Magnavox pre-amp that just went bad.

I was thinking of going with a DB8 and a VIP-307SR or a HD8200U by itself, any thoughts?
Would I need to run a distribution amplifier because of the long runs after the splitter?

This was funny, I just pulled up your stations and I read the first one, KAAL-DT and was like, wow I must have read wrong! (I live in Rochester, MN)
The TC stations should be fairly doable with an 91XG/Y7-13, and the Rochester/Austin/Mason City stations could be gotten with the same setup.... I would go with a CM 7777 amp and join the 2 antennas with that....

VIP-307SR: I do not know why you would need VHF-LO and the wind load is extreme, the DB8 would be ok, but less rejection of side/back signals which may make the 50-60 more reliable.... You could try it and see what happens, otherwise, the 91XG is a lot smaller and less wind load...

12-30-2008, 01:35 PM	#783
keith.thompson Samsung is the Best!!! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 10	Towards the camera. If the house horizontally was the x axis, vertical y axis, and towards the camera z axis. the towers are +z. Hope that helps. I'll go up the fascia as high as I can. The wife just dosn't want to be able to see it from the road.

12-31-2008, 06:51 AM	#786
hoopitup2000 No Static At All Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Arlington, Va Posts: 401	Lugerunner, Welcome to the forum!! With the signal levels you have I would go with the separate antennas(91-XG & YA-1713). While the suggested Winegard combo antenna is a good choice; the separates will provide superior UHF performance, and better multipath rejection. The low noise CM7777 pre-amp is also a good recommendation as it has separate inputs for VHF & UHF antennas. This is the most efficient method of combining the 2 antennas. Good luck!!

12-31-2008, 08:44 AM	#787
lugerunner A couch and an HDTV to go please. Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 10	I just bought the Winegard ap8700 about 3 weeks ago. Is there any way to use it instead of cm7777? If not what is your idea on an antenna setup using the 8700.

12-31-2008, 03:33 PM	#789
lugerunner A couch and an HDTV to go please. Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 10	Next ? I am not asking you to spoon feed me just nudge me in the right direction as to hooking up two diff antennas. I can read my way thru it but this site is HUGE. Thanks for any nudges and Happy New Year to all.

12-31-2008, 03:55 PM	#790
hoopitup2000 No Static At All Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Arlington, Va Posts: 401	It's very simple. I would use this indoors, right where the coax enters the house, right before the pre-amp. http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?prod=UVSJ If you want the pre-amp outside, closer to the antenna; use this model. http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_disp...ANTDRCT-COMBNR

12-31-2008, 03:55 PM	#791
IDRick High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Eastern Idaho Posts: 1,034	Lugerunner, gjvriese suggested that you use a usvj to join the XG91 and YA1713 while using your Winegard preamp. If you need more preamp, you could switch to the CM7777. He gave you all you needed. He's a great poster and always helpful to others.

12-31-2008, 04:09 PM	#792
lugerunner A couch and an HDTV to go please. Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 10	I guess my statement wasn't clear. I am going to do as gjvriese said. I need to know about stacking, or side by side, antennas. If I only had one, no problem but I'm sure there must be a right way to mount two antennas on a 30 ft pole behind the house. Sorry if I wasn't clear.