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Old 07-31-2008, 03:58 PM   #646
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Just Wondering Why You Recommend The Winegard Pre Amp For This Set Up I Am In The Same General Region 17225 Xip 4228 And Was Just About To Order A Cm 7777 Pre Amp In Addition I Have Been Pondering Putting Up An Additional One Over Top 4228 To Hopefully Help Get A Better Signal From Balt Dc Area Right Now Its Poor At Best Like 1 Balt Station And 1 Or 2 More With Bad Weather Any Suggestions
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can someone recommend an antenna for kennard, texas, 75847, antennaweb shows the following channels available, i am on a high hill, lots of trees, a power line, i have a 50' pole to mount the antenna on, any help would be appreciated, i would prefer a combo antenna if one would work

KYTX 19 CBS NACOGDOCHES, TX 14° 38.3 19 uhf
KYTX-DT 19.1 CBS NACOGDOCHES, TX 14° 38.3 18 vhf
KTRE 9 ABC TYLER, TX 81° 28.6 9 uhf
KETK 56 NBC JACKSONVILLE, TX 354° 47.2 56 vhf
KTRE-DT 9.1 ABC TYLER, TX 81° 28.6 11 uhf
KFXL-LP 30 FOX LONGVIEW, TX 88° 30.5 30 uhf
KIVY-LP 16 A1 CROCKETT, TX 240° 11.1 16 vhf
KTRE-DT 9.1 ABC TYLER, TX Feb 17, 2009 (post-transition) 81° 28.6 9

KBTX 3 CBS WACO, TX 215° 72.1 3 vhf
KTWC-LP 12 FMN CROCKETT, TX 240° 13.1 12 uhf
KFXK 51 FOX LONGVIEW, TX 14° 63.9 51

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Old 08-09-2008, 10:43 AM   #648
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can someone recommend an antenna for kennard, texas, 75847, antennaweb shows the following channels available, i am on a high hill, lots of trees, a power line, i have a 50' pole to mount the antenna on, any help would be appreciated, i would prefer a combo antenna if one would work

KYTX 19 CBS NACOGDOCHES, TX 14° 38.3 19 uhf
KYTX-DT 19.1 CBS NACOGDOCHES, TX 14° 38.3 18 vhf
KTRE 9 ABC TYLER, TX 81° 28.6 9 uhf
KETK 56 NBC JACKSONVILLE, TX 354° 47.2 56 vhf
KTRE-DT 9.1 ABC TYLER, TX 81° 28.6 11 uhf
KFXL-LP 30 FOX LONGVIEW, TX 88° 30.5 30 uhf
KIVY-LP 16 A1 CROCKETT, TX 240° 11.1 16 vhf
KTRE-DT 9.1 ABC TYLER, TX Feb 17, 2009 (post-transition) 81° 28.6 9

KBTX 3 CBS WACO, TX 215° 72.1 3 vhf
KTWC-LP 12 FMN CROCKETT, TX 240° 13.1 12 uhf
KFXK 51 FOX LONGVIEW, TX 14° 63.9 51
You have really only on VHF channel (9) to deal with (several low power VHF's but they are very weak andprobably worth skipping. I would go with Tiger Bangs deep fringe prescription.

Perhaps use a channel 9 tuned yagi with an Antennas Direct 91XG for UHF on a rotator joined with a CM7777.

If you don't want two antennas try a CM4228. It probably would get your channel 9 VHF and all the UHF's.
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Old 08-13-2008, 11:38 AM   #649
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Hello everyone. I am helping my brother replace an old antenna that hasn't been used in about 12 years. His home is in London, KY and we are trying to bring in the stations from Lexington, KY. We have stations at both VHF low and high, as well as UHF. With his old (radio shack?) antenna and a Winegard 8275 preamp, we can get the digital ION, and WDKY (Fox) stations and a few religious channels. I was planning on buying a combination 8200U or 3671 antenna until I read this forum.

Finding a 91XG antenna and CM 7777 is easy enough but like a few other posters have mentioned, the Wade Delhi 307 is impossible to find. I cannot even get the Wade web page to load. Does anyone know of any dealers in southeast or central Kentucky or eastern Tennessee that might carry them? And what might I expect to pay?

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I wanted to let you know that thanks to this forum, we managed to get all the stations we wanted and then some. We used the VIP-306 and 91XG combined with the CM7777 and it worked like a charm.

The set up isn't quit perfect yet but it will be soon when we add an antenna rotor. My brother has a metal tower (American tower?) that only reaches about 15 feet high. He has about 10 feet of mast on top of that.

We got all of the Lexington stations with the exception of low power WBLU and WKLE (KET-PBS). KET is a statewide network and we can easily receive 2 other stations carrying their programming. My brother doesn't have a TV with an ATSC tuner yet so we used an Insignia Digital box and the signal strength on WLEX and WTVQ (channels 39 and 40, broadcasting from the same tower 61 miles away) was about 65% at 4pm. At first I was disappointed in the VIP306 as it did well for WDKY (channel 4, 50 miles away) but could not bring in WKYT (channel 13, at 61 miles away on a tower adjacent to WLEX/WTVQ). We discovered a faulty balun on the 306 and replaced it and voila, 75% on WKYT.

We could also get WYMT with ease almost anyway we pointed our antenna from bouncing around on the nearby hills no doubt. In addition, WEMT and WETP from Tennessee have always been pretty easy to pick up on our farm.

We have yet to try for the Knoxville stations as his mast setup is not quite where we want it to be for rotation. When I was younger and lived on this farm, it was sometimes easier to get Knoxville's 6 and 10 than our Lexington affiliates. They are farther away at about 85 miles but they have a huge advantage in elevation and VHF frequencies.

My brother plans to eventually add a 10 foot section of tower and to shorten the mast at the top as the winds can be quite strong and in the past have taken many an antenna down in this area.

We may eventually add some other antennas, pointed in other directions (using separate amps) to get away from having to use the rotor but, only if we can get enough signal to keep from losing any channels when we combine them.

Also, I wanted to point out that when I used Antennaweb and tvfool, those sites vastly underestimated what stations we could receive. I noticed they use the same data for terrain and elevation that my GPS uses. The fork in the road they describe for our location is incorrectly identified and it places our address in the wrong location. Also, elevation is apparently interpolated and for our location it is off by more than 100 feet, maybe even 200 feet. I used Topozone after I got back to DC to estimate the elevation, and I could see that they too use the same values that TVFool and AntennaWeb use since the road is depicted in the same incorrect way. I know the bend in the road is lower than our farm and it shows it as possibly 160 feet higher.

When I tried compensating for this in TVFool, the predictions looked much closer to what we experience when we set up the my brothers system. Just FYI.
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Old 08-13-2008, 12:12 PM   #650
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Congratultions on your success! When choosing a rotator, I strongly suggest that you consider spending the extra money and get a Hy-Gain AR-40 HD rotator rather than the Channel master 9521A, as the AR-40 is much better able to cope with the large load that this antenna array poses.
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Old 08-14-2008, 11:57 AM   #651
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Also, I wanted to point out that when I used Antennaweb and tvfool, those sites vastly underestimated what stations we could receive. I noticed they use the same data for terrain and elevation that my GPS uses. The fork in the road they describe for our location is incorrectly identified and it places our address in the wrong location. Also, elevation is apparently interpolated and for our location it is off by more than 100 feet, maybe even 200 feet. I used Topozone after I got back to DC to estimate the elevation, and I could see that they too use the same values that TVFool and AntennaWeb use since the road is depicted in the same incorrect way. I know the bend in the road is lower than our farm and it shows it as possibly 160 feet higher.

When I tried compensating for this in TVFool, the predictions looked much closer to what we experience when we set up the my brothers system. Just FYI.
The general consensus is that AntennaWeb grossly underestimates the channels most people can receive. I have no problems getting anything TVFool lists at -110 dBm or stronger with an unamplified 91XG and YA-1713. Pretty much anything TVFool lists at -90dBm or weaker don't even appear on AntennaWeb -- not even in the violet. At least that's what I've noticed on the occasions when I compared their respective results.
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Old 08-14-2008, 01:48 PM   #652
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The general consensus is that AntennaWeb grossly underestimates the channels most people can receive.
Antennaweb seems to be even more conservative now that it used to be. If I enter my latitude and longitude, it no longer shows any of the Mount Mansfield VT stations, analogue or digital, on the list it produces. I have been watching those stations OTA for over 40 years. Antennawb used to list them.

OTOH, TVFool.com shows all of the stations that I watch from Mount Mansfield VT, Lyon Mountain NY, Terry Mountain NY, Rousses Point NY plus all my Canadian stations. TVFool.com has become a far better resource for people living in my area that antennaweb.org ever was.
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Antennaweb seems to be even more conservative now that it used to be. If I enter my latitude and longitude, it no longer shows any of the Mount Mansfield VT stations, analogue or digital, on the list it produces. I have been watching those stations OTA for over 40 years. Antennawb used to list them.

OTOH, TVFool shows all of the stations that I watch from Mount Mansfield VT, Lyon Mountain NY, Terry Mountain NY, Rousses Point NY plus all my Canadian stations. TVFool has become a far better resource for people living in my area that antennaweb ever was.
Agreed. See the list of Austin digital stations in the red here from KXAN to KTBC?



I get all of them just fine -- again, with NO amplification. Antennaweb doesn't list ANY of them.

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Old 08-15-2008, 03:38 PM   #654
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I have a J-mount not in use. I would like to mount a 5 foot mast with a rotor and a 91xg and cm7777 & maybe with a medium range Yagi for Vhf-LO. Will this little mount be OK for all of that?
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okay so I went to my antenna dealer in town and they said the zip12v was just as good as the vip306sr and was half the price.. he wants 330 for the 306. and recomended some BEM13 for the amp and didn't have the 7777, should I just stop dealing with this guy and buy online or what!?!

if that is a half decent price for the 306sr then I think I will buy that. but buy the 4228 or xg91 online, or over the line in Minot.

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Sorry, but you better find another dealer: he's out to sell you what he has lying around...A VIP-306SR ought to cost you about $225...
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Old 09-03-2008, 04:12 PM   #657
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I've been reading up on the up-coming HDTV switch and antennas and get more confused all the time. I have now found out that some stations are moving down to high VHF from UHF post 2/17/09!

I want to be able to get Boston stations, which are at 195 and 196 degrees, under 45 miles and at frequencies 7 (WDHD) and 20-42 in addition to local NH stations, which are at 1, 18 and 301 degrees for frequencies 33, 11 and 9, respectively (all under 20 miles). I will be placing the antenna on my roof 25+ feet in the air.

How will the high VHF channels effect my antenna choices?

Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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You can either go with a combo antenna (a compromise) or get a VHF-high band antenna and add it to your UHF with a joiner.
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Hello all! Awesome forum. I live in Tecumseh, MI (49286), and am roughly the same distance from Detroit and Toledo, (about 50 miles from the furthest stations I would want to receive.) I have an old, old rooftop antenna with the brown, flat lead from the 1960's that a satellite TV installer said I could tap into with an RG-6 cable for local HD channels. All I can get is 2-8 stations depending on the weather and how well I point it with vice grips since the rotor on the antenna has it's power leads cut off and I can only aim it towards Detroit and Toledo (which is OK), but I can barely hold a signal. It comes up anywhere from 40-80%. I reached my limit today when the Lions-Falcons game out of Toledo kept fizzling out at around 55% no matter what I did. I just don't want to settle for watching the non-HD programming from Dish if I don't have to!!

I saw Tigerbangs post back in 2004 stating the following would be a good setup:

1 Channel Master 4228 UHF antenna
1 Wade-Delhi VIP-306 VHF antenna
1 Channel Master Titan 7777 preamp
1 Channel Master 9521a rotator
30'+ antenna height from the ground

Is this still true and are all of these parts still available? I was able to find all of them except for the Wade-Delphi antenna. Is this the best stuff still available and if not, what would be a good setup for me?

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yes this is still the best overall setup although the 91xg from antennas direct can be substituted for the 4228 if you think that multipath or cci might be a problem.....if you need full band vhf the vip 306 is your best option, here are some useful phone numbers for obtaining one:
Lafayette Electronic Supply Lafayette, IN (765) 447-9660

Wiltronics Supply Tyler, TX (903) 597-6315
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