tigerbangs prescription for deep fringe reception

pappylap · 07-16-2007, 05:05 PM

Howdy Tiger....zip is 28604 antenna is 15 ft off the ground. I have 4 stations within reach in TN and Va...large moutains between my home and charlotte so no go that way....I'm most curious about combining two antennas to increase thier signal gathering capacity just a personal theory....

**rbinck** · 07-16-2007, 05:48 PM

Ganging antennas can work, but will take some fiddleing. Here are a couple of articles to get you started:
A 16-Bay UHF Antenna
A 32-Bay UHF Antenna

tigerbangs · 07-16-2007, 09:36 PM

When I ran your zipcode, it all looked pretty hopeless, mostly due to the mountain ranges nearby...You may be in a location that is higher than the post office in your town, or on the side of a hill that may allow you reception where you are. If I had to go on the basis of your zipcode, I'd tell you to forget the whole thing!

pappylap · 07-16-2007, 11:01 PM

yeah these mountains are pretty high over 6000' some of them. I sat one night and picked up Pittsburg PA on rabbit ears...I get NBC at 94% and CBS 95% from Virginia and TN ABC as I posted is in and out...72% down to 5%

Thanks Rbinck for the links, if I combine and have success I will post.

JERSEYSCOOTS · 07-19-2007, 10:31 PM

tigerbangs, I come to you for your limitless knowledge of OTA equipment. I live in Brick, New Jersey zip 08723. My house is a one story ranch. Currently have a Sony model KDL-46V25L1 full HD 1080P LCD. I subscribe to Comcast and want to cut that cord as soon as possible. Would the cm4228 antenna be the way to go. I believe I'm about 45 miles from NYC towers. Any info you could bestow on me would be great.

tigerbangs · 07-20-2007, 07:33 PM

If you go with a 4228 or an AntennasDirect XG-91 and a good preamplifier like a Channel Master Titan 7777 you should be able to get the NYC stations if you can manage 30" of antenna height. Add a rotator, and you should also see the Philadelphia stations, too.

http://www.pctinternational.com/chan...stallation.pdf
http://www.channelmaster.com/
http://www.antennasdirect.com/

JERSEYSCOOTS · 07-20-2007, 09:12 PM

tigerbangs, I knew I could count on you guys to help me out , thanks. Just a point of clarification for me, when you say 30 feet of antenna height I assume you mean from the ground not the roof. A dumb newbe question I know......

pcporemba · 07-21-2007, 06:18 AM

tigerbangs,

Just wanted to give a quick update from Flanders, NJ. Just got a new Samsung HL-t5089s DLP and while some walls were open ran a RG-6 quad shield from my DB-8 straight to the TV. Re-scanned and still no WNBC-DT!! I need to order a new pre-amp but I was really hoping the new tuner would do the trick. All the other channels look great.

tigerbangs · 07-21-2007, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JERSEYSCOOTS

tigerbangs, I knew I could count on you guys to help me out , thanks. Just a point of clarification for me, when you say 30 feet of antenna height I assume you mean from the ground not the roof. A dumb newbe question I know......

To quote Arnold Chase, owner of a 1330' transmitting tower in Farmington, CT: Height equals MIGHT: the higher the antenna, the stronger the signal. 30' above the ground is the minimum that I would use for your situation. Higher than that is never a bad idea...

vjsspa · 07-21-2007, 03:47 PM

tigerbangs,
I just bought a Magnavox 1080P LCD HDTV and looking for some information on what antenna configuration I should go with. My zipcode is 19518 and I can live with just getting all the VHF and UHF stations from Philadelphia pointing my antenna towards 134 degrees compass orientation.

Should I just go with a directional antenna that is good for both VHF and UHF or can I get more channels from other cities if I follow the prescription.

I am planning to connect two TVs, do you think I need to have a preamp and a rotator.

Thanks.

Antenna web results for my zipcode:
yellow - uhf WTVE-DT 51.1 IND READING PA 32° 3.5 25
red - uhf WTVE 51 IND READING PA 312° 10.4 51
blue - uhf WPSG 57 CW PHILADELPHIA PA 134° 30.7 57
blue - vhf WPVI 6 ABC PHILADELPHIA PA 134° 30.4 6
blue - uhf WLVT 39 PBS ALLENTOWN PA 49° 25.1 39
blue - uhf WPHL 17 MNT PHILADELPHIA PA 134° 30.4 17
blue - uhf WYBE 35 PBS PHILADELPHIA PA 134° 30.6 35
blue - uhf WTXF 29 FOX PHILADELPHIA PA 134° 30.6 29
blue - uhf WFMZ 69 IND ALLENTOWN PA 49° 24.9 69
blue - vhf WCAU 10 NBC PHILADELPHIA PA 133° 30.6 10
blue - uhf WGTW 48 TBN BURLINGTON NJ 134° 30.3 48
blue - vhf WHYY 12 PBS WILMINGTON DE 134° 30.4 12
blue - vhf KYW 3 CBS PHILADELPHIA PA 134° 30.4 3
blue - uhf KYW-DT 3.1 CBS PHILADELPHIA PA 134° 30.3 26
violet - uhf WGTW-DT 48.1 TBN BURLINGTON NJ 134° 30.6 27
violet - uhf WYBE-DT 34.1 PBS PHILADELPHIA PA 134° 30.6 34
violet - uhf WPVI-DT 6.1 ABC PHILADELPHIA PA 134° 30.3 64
violet - vhf WGAL 8 NBC LANCASTER PA 262° 50.0 8

tigerbangs · 07-21-2007, 10:51 PM

Is there anything else that stations from other markets offer you that you can't get from Philly? I would think that getting Lancaster or Allentown might be a small bonus, but maybe not worth the trouble? I would use a fringe all-channel antenna on the roof of your house, like a Channel Master Crossfire 3679 or a Winegard HD7084P or a Wade-Delhi VU-935SR and a good preamplifier like a Channel Master Titan 7777: you should have no issues with any of the Philly stations using 2 TV sets using one of those combinations. You can add a rotator if you want the other cities...

machine3 · 07-22-2007, 09:13 AM

Hi,

Here is my info

I live near Pittsburgh PA, South of the city in a town called Perryoplis (15473).
I get most of the HD over the air channels with a roof top antenna and a rotator. Terk38 antenna
My problem is 2 of the channels (And of course they are the ones I want most)
on some days they have a very fluctuating signal and some days they are great. Channels 2.1 and 11.1
Seems the clearer the sky is the more they fluctuate.
They will range from 0% to 60 and fluctuate on bad days (clear) and on good days (Cloudy) they come in around 85% and stay constant.

The only place I have to mount the antenna is on my chimney so moving the antenna to
another loction really isn't an option.

I have a Terk TV38 antenna on a mast with rotor approx 30ft high
with a scientific atlanta single output pre amp on the mast.

I was thinking of combining two antennas but I have read that when combining two antennas there needs to be a certain distance between them. I will be putting one on top of the other. How much distance is needed and does this apply to receiving HD signals?

Also will it improve my signal having two antennas pointing the same direction?

Would the antenna you talk about work better for me and if so
Where can I find a Wade-Delhi VIP-306 VHF antenna?
I seached online and called a few local placs and nobody has them.
The Channel Master 4228 UHF antenna is available.

Any help is appreciated

Thank You
Doug

jim5506 · 07-22-2007, 12:20 PM

Two antennas, properly joined will give you maybe 3dB better signal. Try a better antenna and a better pre-amp.

Either CM4228 or Antennas Direct 91XG with CM7777 pre-amp.

vjsspa · 07-23-2007, 10:19 PM

Hi,
Per antennaweb.org and tigerbang's suggestion I have decided to go with either Channel Master Crossfire 3679 or a Winegard HD7084P. Can anybody tell which one of these is a better antenna in terms of reception, compactness and durability.

Thanks.

machine3 · 07-24-2007, 07:12 AM

Everybody keeps telling me to try these antennas (CM4228 or Antennas Direct 91XG) I have and the reception was horrible with both of them. The best reception I have got is with the Terk tv36 or the Terk tv38.

Is there a better antenna than the Terk tv38?

07-16-2007, 05:05 PM	#361
pappylap Poopmaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Way over Yonder Age: 4 Posts: 2,879	Howdy Tiger....zip is 28604 antenna is 15 ft off the ground. I have 4 stations within reach in TN and Va...large moutains between my home and charlotte so no go that way....I'm most curious about combining two antennas to increase thier signal gathering capacity just a personal theory.... __________________ Bar Wench...Where's my Waffle! You can checkout anytime you like but you can never leave.." 50"Pioneer KURO 111FD Pro Elite Pioneer BD320 Blu-ray player Pioneer VSX-919AH A/V Receiver 32" & 37" Olevia LCDs Sony DHG HDD 500 gig DVR Samsung DTBH260 Digital Tuner One Roll of Charmin Quilted Plus in each Bathroom...

07-16-2007, 05:48 PM	#362
rbinck Administrator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Katy, Texas Posts: 12,338	Ganging antennas can work, but will take some fiddleing. Here are a couple of articles to get you started: A 16-Bay UHF Antenna A 32-Bay UHF Antenna __________________ www.highdefinitionblog.com www.BlogOfHawaii.com

07-16-2007, 09:36 PM	#363
tigerbangs Antenna Maven Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Springfield, MA Age: 54 Posts: 2,116	When I ran your zipcode, it all looked pretty hopeless, mostly due to the mountain ranges nearby...You may be in a location that is higher than the post office in your town, or on the side of a hill that may allow you reception where you are. If I had to go on the basis of your zipcode, I'd tell you to forget the whole thing! __________________ Real men don't use indoor antennas; neither do real women!

07-16-2007, 11:01 PM	#364
pappylap Poopmaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Way over Yonder Age: 4 Posts: 2,879	yeah these mountains are pretty high over 6000' some of them. I sat one night and picked up Pittsburg PA on rabbit ears...I get NBC at 94% and CBS 95% from Virginia and TN ABC as I posted is in and out...72% down to 5% Thanks Rbinck for the links, if I combine and have success I will post. __________________ Bar Wench...Where's my Waffle! You can checkout anytime you like but you can never leave.." 50"Pioneer KURO 111FD Pro Elite Pioneer BD320 Blu-ray player Pioneer VSX-919AH A/V Receiver 32" & 37" Olevia LCDs Sony DHG HDD 500 gig DVR Samsung DTBH260 Digital Tuner One Roll of Charmin Quilted Plus in each Bathroom...

07-20-2007, 07:33 PM	#366
tigerbangs Antenna Maven Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Springfield, MA Age: 54 Posts: 2,116	If you go with a 4228 or an AntennasDirect XG-91 and a good preamplifier like a Channel Master Titan 7777 you should be able to get the NYC stations if you can manage 30" of antenna height. Add a rotator, and you should also see the Philadelphia stations, too. http://www.pctinternational.com/chan...stallation.pdf http://www.channelmaster.com/ http://www.antennasdirect.com/ __________________ Real men don't use indoor antennas; neither do real women!

07-19-2007, 10:31 PM	#365
JERSEYSCOOTS What is HD? Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brick, New Jersey Posts: 2	tigerbangs, I come to you for your limitless knowledge of OTA equipment. I live in Brick, New Jersey zip 08723. My house is a one story ranch. Currently have a Sony model KDL-46V25L1 full HD 1080P LCD. I subscribe to Comcast and want to cut that cord as soon as possible. Would the cm4228 antenna be the way to go. I believe I'm about 45 miles from NYC towers. Any info you could bestow on me would be great.

07-20-2007, 09:12 PM	#367
JERSEYSCOOTS What is HD? Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brick, New Jersey Posts: 2	tigerbangs, I knew I could count on you guys to help me out , thanks. Just a point of clarification for me, when you say 30 feet of antenna height I assume you mean from the ground not the roof. A dumb newbe question I know......

07-21-2007, 06:18 AM	#368
pcporemba How can anyone watch standard def? Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 16	tigerbangs, Just wanted to give a quick update from Flanders, NJ. Just got a new Samsung HL-t5089s DLP and while some walls were open ran a RG-6 quad shield from my DB-8 straight to the TV. Re-scanned and still no WNBC-DT!! I need to order a new pre-amp but I was really hoping the new tuner would do the trick. All the other channels look great.

07-21-2007, 03:47 PM	#370
vjsspa What is HD? Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2	tigerbangs, I just bought a Magnavox 1080P LCD HDTV and looking for some information on what antenna configuration I should go with. My zipcode is 19518 and I can live with just getting all the VHF and UHF stations from Philadelphia pointing my antenna towards 134 degrees compass orientation. Should I just go with a directional antenna that is good for both VHF and UHF or can I get more channels from other cities if I follow the prescription. I am planning to connect two TVs, do you think I need to have a preamp and a rotator. Thanks. Antenna web results for my zipcode: yellow - uhf WTVE-DT 51.1 IND READING PA 32° 3.5 25 red - uhf WTVE 51 IND READING PA 312° 10.4 51 blue - uhf WPSG 57 CW PHILADELPHIA PA 134° 30.7 57 blue - vhf WPVI 6 ABC PHILADELPHIA PA 134° 30.4 6 blue - uhf WLVT 39 PBS ALLENTOWN PA 49° 25.1 39 blue - uhf WPHL 17 MNT PHILADELPHIA PA 134° 30.4 17 blue - uhf WYBE 35 PBS PHILADELPHIA PA 134° 30.6 35 blue - uhf WTXF 29 FOX PHILADELPHIA PA 134° 30.6 29 blue - uhf WFMZ 69 IND ALLENTOWN PA 49° 24.9 69 blue - vhf WCAU 10 NBC PHILADELPHIA PA 133° 30.6 10 blue - uhf WGTW 48 TBN BURLINGTON NJ 134° 30.3 48 blue - vhf WHYY 12 PBS WILMINGTON DE 134° 30.4 12 blue - vhf KYW 3 CBS PHILADELPHIA PA 134° 30.4 3 blue - uhf KYW-DT 3.1 CBS PHILADELPHIA PA 134° 30.3 26 violet - uhf WGTW-DT 48.1 TBN BURLINGTON NJ 134° 30.6 27 violet - uhf WYBE-DT 34.1 PBS PHILADELPHIA PA 134° 30.6 34 violet - uhf WPVI-DT 6.1 ABC PHILADELPHIA PA 134° 30.3 64 violet - vhf WGAL 8 NBC LANCASTER PA 262° 50.0 8

07-21-2007, 10:51 PM	#371
tigerbangs Antenna Maven Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Springfield, MA Age: 54 Posts: 2,116	Is there anything else that stations from other markets offer you that you can't get from Philly? I would think that getting Lancaster or Allentown might be a small bonus, but maybe not worth the trouble? I would use a fringe all-channel antenna on the roof of your house, like a Channel Master Crossfire 3679 or a Winegard HD7084P or a Wade-Delhi VU-935SR and a good preamplifier like a Channel Master Titan 7777: you should have no issues with any of the Philly stations using 2 TV sets using one of those combinations. You can add a rotator if you want the other cities... __________________ Real men don't use indoor antennas; neither do real women!

07-22-2007, 09:13 AM	#372
machine3 My plasma is High Def. Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6	Pittsburgh problems Hi, Here is my info I live near Pittsburgh PA, South of the city in a town called Perryoplis (15473). I get most of the HD over the air channels with a roof top antenna and a rotator. Terk38 antenna My problem is 2 of the channels (And of course they are the ones I want most) on some days they have a very fluctuating signal and some days they are great. Channels 2.1 and 11.1 Seems the clearer the sky is the more they fluctuate. They will range from 0% to 60 and fluctuate on bad days (clear) and on good days (Cloudy) they come in around 85% and stay constant. The only place I have to mount the antenna is on my chimney so moving the antenna to another loction really isn't an option. I have a Terk TV38 antenna on a mast with rotor approx 30ft high with a scientific atlanta single output pre amp on the mast. I was thinking of combining two antennas but I have read that when combining two antennas there needs to be a certain distance between them. I will be putting one on top of the other. How much distance is needed and does this apply to receiving HD signals? Also will it improve my signal having two antennas pointing the same direction? Would the antenna you talk about work better for me and if so Where can I find a Wade-Delhi VIP-306 VHF antenna? I seached online and called a few local placs and nobody has them. The Channel Master 4228 UHF antenna is available. Any help is appreciated Thank You Doug Last edited by machine3; 07-22-2007 at 09:15 AM. Reason: make additions

07-22-2007, 12:20 PM	#373
jim5506 Yellow Submarine Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lubbock, Texas Posts: 2,418	Two antennas, properly joined will give you maybe 3dB better signal. Try a better antenna and a better pre-amp. Either CM4228 or Antennas Direct 91XG with CM7777 pre-amp. __________________ Programming: Dish HD Absolute with 0.01 Cinemax Displays: Sony VPH-D50Q - 7 ft on the wall; Hitachi 57R59 Receivers: DishNetwork ViP722k; DishNetwork ViP211K; DishNetwork ViP211; DishNetwork 301; 2 - TiVo Series 2's; Accurian 6000; Samsung SIR-T351; Panasonic ShowStopper 2000; ATI HDTV Wonder Dish 1000 on 110,119,129; Dish 500 on 61.5; DPP44 Sony 80GB PS3; Toshiba HD-DVD

07-23-2007, 10:19 PM	#374
vjsspa What is HD? Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2	Channel Master Crossfire 3679 or Winegard HD7084P Hi, Per antennaweb.org and tigerbang's suggestion I have decided to go with either Channel Master Crossfire 3679 or a Winegard HD7084P. Can anybody tell which one of these is a better antenna in terms of reception, compactness and durability. Thanks.

07-24-2007, 07:12 AM	#375
machine3 My plasma is High Def. Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6	Everybody keeps telling me to try these antennas (CM4228 or Antennas Direct 91XG) I have and the reception was horrible with both of them. The best reception I have got is with the Terk tv36 or the Terk tv38. Is there a better antenna than the Terk tv38?

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