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Old 01-14-2010, 09:34 PM   #1
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Ok, so I picked up this receiver / speaker combo for $200 new online shipped. Pretty good deal, I thought. Then I realized it had no HDMI inputs.

I thought, hey that's fine - I will have optical out which I can put into the received optical that says, optical in.

When I do this however, I receive no sound. I've tried all of the input selections , dig inputs selection etc, ...no sound. The speakers work with the radio. The cable is new and appears to be putting off light from end to end.

not sure what I'm doing here.

Cable from wall to digital receiver, hdmi to tv, optical (toslink) to receiver.

The speakers are sls q1000's http://www.slsloudspeakers.com/content/view/40/106/
instruction manual on the side bar (right top)

and the tv is :
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product...=18&lang=en-US

any suggestions?

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Old 01-14-2010, 11:00 PM   #2
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Do you know that your cable box is outputting anything on optical? Do you have another device such as DVD player you can plug into the receiver to see if you get sound from it?
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Make sure your digital receiver is set to output sound via optical and not HDMI.
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Once again, I failed to read the post closely before replying.

Like L2W said, check the audio settings in the digital receiver. Make sure it is set to send audio out the optical.
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sincraft:
I think the members here are thinking you have the toslink hooked up from the cable or satellite box (you didn't specify whether you're using cable or satellite) to the audio receiver. Yet your thread title says

Confused - toslink from tv to receiver - no sound

To be clear, the TV's optical output works only when you are using either the ATSC or QAM tuners in the TV itself. As long as you are using an external box, that is your tuner -- therefore no signal from the TV's optical output.

What you need to do is hook up the cable/sat box's digital audio output into the SLS audio receiver. Sometimes these cable/sat boxes have toslink and sometimes they're coax. You have the digital inputs on the SLS to accomodate either one. You will then have to configure the receiver to default to that digital audio input when you select the input you want to use for the cable/sat channels' audio signal.

Very nice TV, by the way....
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Well I figured it out.
Just fyi - I have comcast and a cable box.

Cable from wall to cable box, then hdmi to tv.
I also have a playstation with hdmi to the tv.
And a Wii with ...well I'm not gonna talk about the connectors on this unit.

I ran the optical cable from the tv's optical which say optical out. To the receivers optical which says optical in. I played around with it shortly after getting home today and found that I had to have it on Video 3 , then click on 'digital something or another' and cycle through until it was on o1. There was c1, and then A. I'm assuming optical, component, and analog.
And ...it worked!

Now if I could just find stands that I can trust that will hold my heavy speakers not the greatest but they sound good and the price was right.

The playstation allowed me to remove my cd player, my dvd player, and while I was at it, I stored the vcr too.

I picked up this entertainment unit from costco: http://www.baysidefurnishings.com/pr.../mn66cwsf.html
Very nice, heavy piece of furniture. Comes with a nice mounting kit that I opted not to use which I can use elsewhere (mancave). If I bought that kit sep. it would have cost at least $79. So, basically I paid $400 for the entertainment unit and it's 1000% nicer than what I've seen in even 'true' furniture stores for 20% of the cost. I honestly recommend it. It's not mid-high end quality, but most furniture stores don't sell mid-high end anymore. Sorry to digress, but can't recommend this enough for the price. BIG and heavy so...big disclaimer and warning there. Measure and make sure you have muscles to help.

This ent unit holds the tv and leaves enough room to put the speakers to the left and right of the tv until I pickup stands, which at the rate I'm going might be summer when I finally build the stands or give up and mount them on the wall.

Anyway, thanx for the input guys.
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Glad you figured out how to get audio. But, routing sound through the TV almost certainly means you are only getting stereo, not DD 5.1. Most TVs only output DD 5.1 from their own internal tuners, not from external components such as set top boxes. If you want genuine surround sound, you need to run the audio directly from the device to the receiver, not through the TV.
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Glad you figured out how to get audio. But, routing sound through the TV almost certainly means you are only getting stereo, not DD 5.1. Most TVs only output DD 5.1 from their own internal tuners, not from external components such as set top boxes. If you want genuine surround sound, you need to run the audio directly from the device to the receiver, not through the TV.
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Glad you figured out how to get audio. But, routing sound through the TV almost certainly means you are only getting stereo, not DD 5.1. Most TVs only output DD 5.1 from their own internal tuners, not from external components such as set top boxes. If you want genuine surround sound, you need to run the audio directly from the device to the receiver, not through the TV.
Exactly. Sincraft, I know you are eager to move on, but as my old friend used to say, "Not so fast there Keemo." I urge you to go to page 31 of the Panasonic's user manual, where it says

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  • When audio from other equipment connected to this unit via HDMI is output using “DIGITAL AUDIO OUT” of this unit, the system switches to 2CH audio.
This may change in the future, but right now all TVs convert the incoming Dolby Digital on HDMI to PCM stereo. After all, why does the TV need surround when its internal speaker system is stereo? After the stereo downmix is is done, the TV isn't going to pass the original DD 5.1 out through its optical output.

The proof here is that when you are watching a premium channel on cable (which should definitely be genuine DD 5.1), or a movie in the playstation, the SLS receiver's front panel indicator will read "DD Pro Logic", not the more desirable "DD Digital" indicator.

Try this: Select a DVD with a DTS soundtrack, select DTS in the DVD's setup menu, play the movie and see if the SLS's "DTS" indicator lights up. (Actually my guess is that you'll get no sound at all because the TV isn't equipped to handle an undecoded DTS bitstream.)
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Damn damn damn damn DAMN! lol.

Soooooooo....

Just trying to think how I will get uber sound from the cable and the playstation sources as I only have one input source. damn damn damn!

I have enough problems trying to find stands that will hold my darn speakers lol. Finally went with these sanus stands that state they will hold 10lbs. Pfft, lucky if they hold 4 well on carpet with the spikes. The ef something euro stands. dont recommend them.

So no hurry as , I dont even have the speakers setup yet.

sigh. I'm going to start making furniture like stands that are adjustable with a peg and make a mint. Seems like everyone looking for them if they have speakers that are bookshelf like.

oh well,....more work to think about..sigh

OK ! here's a question. when I spoke to a guy at the av store where I picked up the stands...he said you have to have the setup always on to hear sound because the receiver wont pass it through otherwise? What if we just want the tv speakers for general tv watching?

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OK ! here's a question. when I spoke to a guy at the av store where I picked up the stands...he said you have to have the setup always on to hear sound because the receiver wont pass it through otherwise? What if we just want the tv speakers for general tv watching?
This guy was thinking you had the HDMI signal going through the SLS receiver. He would be right if you were, but obviously you aren't.

As it stands now, you already have audio in the TV's speakers without having to turn the SLS on, at least with the cable box and the PS3 (and the Wii assuming the audio is going into the TV instead of the SLS).

So I gather your problem is that you have two optical output cables to deal with -- from the PS3 and the Comcast box -- and only one optical input on the SLS. You have two options on this. First, you can get an inexpensive optical switcher like this one. You would have to manually switch between the two, but I wouldn't find that to be too inconvenient. You will need 3 optical cables to accomplish this.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

Second, you could just choose which one is most important and run the optical from that to the SLS. I would do the PS3 and just run the analog red/white R/L output from the cable box into the SLS. Whenever you watch the cable signal, the SLS should default to DD Pro Logic II. This is a compromise, but you would hear OK surround sound on all channels.
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im pretty sure my receiver does not declare its state. In other words, whatever setting I put it in, has to match the signal coming through or it will just fake it. That is my understanding, if someone has a better idea based on the link I provided stating otherwise please let me know.

I'm thinking the switch is an ok idea, couple cables and a splitter vs receiver might be worth the cheaper price.
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Ok, skip that last message by me.

Which receiver would be best for me to use? I think the Sony has two optical inputs from what I'm reading here. I have this one hooked up to two DCM timeframe speakers, could easily be moved to the ht setup.

http://www.docs.sony.com/release/spe...E597_specs.pdf

This is the kenwood rebranded one that is currently hooked up:
Note the receiver specs starting at the top of the page...
http://www.slsloudspeakers.com/content/view/40/106/

Going to hold off on buying the switcher just yet until I figure this out. After all, I only need to inputs, one from the cable box , the other from the blu ray. Everything else is not important.

The only thing is, the speakers are 4 ohm. From what I can tell, the Sony does 8 and the kenwood (sls) does 6. Is it possible that neither is a good choice for the speakers?

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I'm confused too. If you already have the SLS system why are you asking about the Sony AVR? The SLS manual states it has one optical and two co-axial inputs for a total of three digital inputs. Both the optical (toslink) and the co-axial are digital.
The SLS receiver and speakers are stated as 6 ohm so they already are a matched unit.
What do you have and what are you thinking about buying?
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Dave,
I was just asking because the SONY is available for me to use. Not big on the AV scene really so not sure which is better. If I were to guess, the kenwood beats it in ability but the sony in features wins as far as dolby etc.

I THINK the Sony will display the sound coming in and match the setting or 'allow' it. The kenwood (sls) requires that I change my setting...I believe.

not sure though, very confused.

The other reason for me asking was because the SONY appears to have two optical in's, while the kenwood only has one. The sony says optical in and has an optical port, and another htat says something like cd something and an optical port.

What I was getting at was, if I went with the sony would I be able to skip the optical splitter. I either wanted to go optical or hdmi, with no hdmi avail, I wanted to use the optical. I didnt consider component cables...but for sure do not want to run comp cables to the tv for signal and use the receiver as a passthrough.

BUT again , pretty clueless here sooooo. If you have an idea of what my best setup would be ...would love to hear it
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