11% of Americans own an HD-DVD player, while just 7% own a Blu-ray player

ah802 · 06-22-2009, 09:00 AM

The numbers have it..

http://hothardware.com/News/Bluray-A...HDTV-Sales-Up/

Slash link

http://slashdot.org/story/09/06/22/1...D-DVD?from=rss

Consumers be damned.. let set prices prevail.

Source: Harris Interactive

When Blu-ray player or PS3 owners are asked specifically about standard versus Blu-ray format purchases, the results suggest a mixed bag of behaviors with some price sensitivity indicated:

* Only one quarter plan to switch to Blu-ray completely (25%), while one third of Blu-ray or PS3 owners claim that most of their movie purchases are now on Blu-ray format (32%);
* Two in five are waiting for Blu-ray format prices to come down before they buy more (43%) – and a quarter buy Blu-ray regardless of price (25%); and,
* Only 1 in 5 appear to be replacing or duplicating their existing standard format DVD library with Blu-ray format (21%), and over a third say they only buy movies on Blu-ray format that they currently do not own on standard definition (37%).

unotis · 06-22-2009, 09:22 AM

Now, this could start a little firestorm of debate on the forum!

unotis · 06-22-2009, 09:29 AM

I'm certain some will claim the HD DVD numbers are actually referring to DVD players that upscale instead of actual HD DVD players because the J6P consumer gets them confused (bmore should be here very soon to bring that up).

Of course, that probably is not correct, the numbers are showing 11% ownership and if it was upscaling DVD players only or them being mistakenly mixed in with HD DVD players being really referred to then the percentage number would certainly be considerably higher.

06-22-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by unotis

Now, this could start a little firestorm of debate on the forum!

Why?

mshulman · 06-22-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by unotis

I'm certain some will claim the HD DVD numbers are actually referring to DVD players that upscale instead of actual HD DVD players because the J6P consumer gets them confused (bmore should be here very soon to bring that up).

You really think that's not true?

There's other issues with this poll:

1. Under 2500 people were surveyed.

2. Polls can be manipulated to provide the result you are looking for.

In my opinion, this poll isn't worth a penny.

unotis · 06-22-2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mshulman

You really think that's not true?

There's other issues with this poll:

1. Under 2500 people were surveyed.

2. Polls can be manipulated to provide the result you are looking for.

In my opinion, this poll isn't worth a penny.

If properly done, then 2000 to 2500 people would give a very accurate result and why would you think they would bother to manipulate a poll on such a topic?

Hold out HD DVD lovers that can't give up on the format war?

Die hard Blu-Ray haters?

That is stretching it quite a bit don't you think?

mshulman · 06-22-2009, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unotis

If properly done, then 2000 to 2500 people would give a very accurate result and why would you think they would bother to manipulate a poll on such a topic?

Hold out HD DVD lovers that can't give up on the format war?

Die hard Blu-Ray haters?

That is stretching it quite a bit don't you think?

Who says it was properly done though? Where was the poll taken? Was it clear that HD-DVD player (as the incorrectly put it) is really an HD DVD player meant to play HD DVD's not upscale?

I simply think its very suspect. Counting PS3, wouldn't sales numbers indicate far more people have a blu-ray player? If that's the case, then this poll should also reflect it if done accurately.

Scottnot · 06-22-2009, 12:16 PM

I don't own either a HD or BD player; have no intention of purchasing either.

From that perspective, I have no reason to believe that the poll is suspect.
It might be extremely accurate; it might not; either way, if it mattered to me, I'd simply do additional research.

Seems the only thing to debate would be, if the poll is correct, what does it mean?

unotis · 06-22-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mshulman

Who says it was properly done though? Where was the poll taken? Was it clear that HD-DVD player (as the incorrectly put it) is really an HD DVD player meant to play HD DVD's not upscale?

I simply think its very suspect. Counting PS3, wouldn't sales numbers indicate far more people have a blu-ray player? If that's the case, then this poll should also reflect it if done accurately.

It was a Harris Interactive poll and they are a well respected polling company that is for example is used by the BCS to help rank the top college football teams and decide then who will be the National College Football Champion.

I would suspect they did do a proper job of setting up and conducting the poll.

And if you looked at the poll I believe they did include the PS3 and had a percentage for all regular DVD players/upscaling or otherwise and HD DVD players and even add-ons like the ones for the Microsoft Xbox, they indicated that in a chart displayed.

daleb · 06-22-2009, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mshulman

Who says it was properly done though? Where was the poll taken? Was it clear that HD-DVD player (as the incorrectly put it) is really an HD DVD player meant to play HD DVD's not upscale?

My thought too, and I think most who could not make that distinction would even know what upscale means.

06-22-2009, 12:38 PM

How many HD DVD players have been sold, in total, in the US? And how many players would you actually need, if 11% of "Americans" own an "HD-DVD player"? Or for argument's sake, let's just say "11% of U.S. households have an HD DVD player".

Off by an order of magnitude...

mshulman · 06-22-2009, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unotis

It was a Harris Interactive poll and they are a well respected polling company that is for example is used by the BCS to help rank the top college football teams and decide then who will be the National College Football Champion.

I would suspect they did do a proper job of setting up and conducting the poll.

And if you looked at the poll I believe they did include the PS3 in the numbers and they indicated that in a chart displayed.

So why does their poll seem to go against what sales would indicate?

unotis · 06-22-2009, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mshulman

So why does their poll seem to go against what sales would indicate?

Perhaps it doesn't at all, after all we have always had a great deal of difficulty getting the real sales numbers, it always seemed the companies inflated their sales (especially during the format war), they would use units shipped instead of sold.

Perhaps since the information is coming from the consumer and not the manufacturers it could be a lot more accurate then we ever guessed.

I also believe the OP did not use the actual total numbers in the thread title.

Looking back at the chart provided from the poll,

it would appear HD DVD players = 11% +HD DVD add-ons for the Xbox = 3% for a total of 14%

Blu-Ray players = 7% + PS3 = 9% for a total of 16%

Total non HD DVD players = 83%

I know the total of all the players HD DVD, Xbox add-ons, Blu-Ray stand-alones, PS3 and DVD players = 113%, but that is probably because many homes have both.

JoeRoscoe · 06-22-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mshulman

So why does their poll seem to go against what sales would indicate?

Seems simple to me...BluRay is STEADILY gaining in a STEADILY declining DVD-sales market.

HD Goofnut · 06-22-2009, 02:50 PM

I say ignore this poll. There are too many ifs and buts concerning its data.

06-22-2009, 09:00 AM	#1
ah802 Visual Arts Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,243	11% of Americans own an HD-DVD player, while just 7% own a Blu-ray player The numbers have it.. http://hothardware.com/News/Bluray-A...HDTV-Sales-Up/ Slash link http://slashdot.org/story/09/06/22/1...D-DVD?from=rss Consumers be damned.. let set prices prevail. Source: Harris Interactive When Blu-ray player or PS3 owners are asked specifically about standard versus Blu-ray format purchases, the results suggest a mixed bag of behaviors with some price sensitivity indicated: * Only one quarter plan to switch to Blu-ray completely (25%), while one third of Blu-ray or PS3 owners claim that most of their movie purchases are now on Blu-ray format (32%); * Two in five are waiting for Blu-ray format prices to come down before they buy more (43%) – and a quarter buy Blu-ray regardless of price (25%); and, * Only 1 in 5 appear to be replacing or duplicating their existing standard format DVD library with Blu-ray format (21%), and over a third say they only buy movies on Blu-ray format that they currently do not own on standard definition (37%).

06-22-2009, 09:22 AM	#2
unotis UNOTIS Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: FLORIDA Age: 57 Posts: 4,133	Now, this could start a little firestorm of debate on the forum! __________________ Harman/Kardon TC30 universal remote Martin Logan Center Channel speaker Velodyne DPS-12 Powered Subwoofer B&W rear speakers Toshiba XA1, XA2, A2 HD DVD players Panasonic DMP-BDT100 3D Blu-Ray player Panasonic BD60K Panasonic Viera TC-P50GT25 3D 1080p plasma Panasonic TH-42PZ700U 1080p plasma Panasonic 34" Tau CT-34WX50 widescreen HD-ready CRT Monster Power Center Motorola Dual Tuner DVR/ HDTV capable Officially PURPLE HD DVDs = 105 Blu-Ray Discs = 64 with 2 more 3D on the way Last edited by unotis; 06-22-2009 at 09:32 AM.

06-22-2009, 09:29 AM	#3
unotis UNOTIS Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: FLORIDA Age: 57 Posts: 4,133	I'm certain some will claim the HD DVD numbers are actually referring to DVD players that upscale instead of actual HD DVD players because the J6P consumer gets them confused (bmore should be here very soon to bring that up). Of course, that probably is not correct, the numbers are showing 11% ownership and if it was upscaling DVD players only or them being mistakenly mixed in with HD DVD players being really referred to then the percentage number would certainly be considerably higher. __________________ Harman/Kardon TC30 universal remote Martin Logan Center Channel speaker Velodyne DPS-12 Powered Subwoofer B&W rear speakers Toshiba XA1, XA2, A2 HD DVD players Panasonic DMP-BDT100 3D Blu-Ray player Panasonic BD60K Panasonic Viera TC-P50GT25 3D 1080p plasma Panasonic TH-42PZ700U 1080p plasma Panasonic 34" Tau CT-34WX50 widescreen HD-ready CRT Monster Power Center Motorola Dual Tuner DVR/ HDTV capable Officially PURPLE HD DVDs = 105 Blu-Ray Discs = 64 with 2 more 3D on the way Last edited by unotis; 06-22-2009 at 09:35 AM.

06-22-2009, 02:50 PM	#15
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Scottnot Progress Not Perfection Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5,714	I don't own either a HD or BD player; have no intention of purchasing either. From that perspective, I have no reason to believe that the poll is suspect. It might be extremely accurate; it might not; either way, if it mattered to me, I'd simply do additional research. Seems the only thing to debate would be, if the poll is correct, what does it mean?

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Nikopol Guest Posts: n/a	How many HD DVD players have been sold, in total, in the US? And how many players would you actually need, if 11% of "Americans" own an "HD-DVD player"? Or for argument's sake, let's just say "11% of U.S. households have an HD DVD player". Off by an order of magnitude...