Sony Admits: Blu-Ray Is the Last Optical Disc Format.

Loves2Watch · 09-03-2008, 09:29 AM

“Blu-Ray is the final format for the optical disc. We don’t have a shorter laser. In the future, if we have a physical media format, it will change physically. It won’t look like an optical disc. I don’t know what sort of technology we will have in the future,” he said, “but while using lasers and optical discs, this is the final format,” said Taka Miyama, Sony’s product strategy manager for home video marketing in Europe, reports Electricpig web-site.

Story here - http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/storage...sc_Format.html

hoorta · 09-03-2008, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loves2Watch

“Blu-Ray is the final format for the optical disc. We don’t have a shorter laser. In the future, if we have a physical media format, it will change physically. It won’t look like an optical disc. I don’t know what sort of technology we will have in the future,” he said, “but while using lasers and optical discs, this is the final format,” said Taka Miyama, Sony’s product strategy manager for home video marketing in Europe, reports Electricpig web-site.

Story here - http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/storage...sc_Format.html

Really SONY?? You mean you've sunk so much money into Blu Ray that 300gb+ Holographic discs aren't an option?

http://www.computerworld.com/action/...ticleId=109994

mshulman · 09-03-2008, 12:14 PM

I could see this being true as memory cards are quite cheap now. Just think about the prices and sizes we'll seen in 5-10 years.

Loves2Watch · 09-03-2008, 01:06 PM

Buy a movie on a flash drive, take it home and plug it in to your TV. That sounds great as long as someone doesn't implement some self destruct sequence after you have watched the movie (I really do see this coming as hints of double and triple dipping as well as view once DVD's are showing up again. Remember the original Divx?). It might make for easier transfers to the computer so the movie could be watched there as well.

gossamer · 09-03-2008, 07:30 PM

Lets face it, optics/laser are gettin' long in the tooth. Flash based media is a good alternative to optical disc because of their speed. And they're getting cheaper by the minute. But in my opinion the future of delivering content to the home is via downloads. But we're still a few years away for HD and bandwidth to coincide cohesively.

HD Goofnut · 09-04-2008, 08:12 AM

You want 1080p (or better in the future) movies? Yeah. You want HD audio? Yeah. Do you have cable, dsl, or dial-up? Sorry you must have several times the bandwidth of cable just to download that type of movie in a few minutes. Do present flash drives have the technology to store all of the data? More than like they do, but as said above if it's one time or a time period and then it's gone then it's rather pointless. It all comes down to permament ownership, quality, and bandwidth. When all three of these issues are addressed then we will have media that is as good or better than the present optical discs on a entirely different physicala and/or virtual media.

ah802 · 09-05-2008, 08:59 AM

At least according to a Samsung exec.

http://www.itnews.com.au/News/84046,...ng-claims.aspx

I've already heard of movies being offered up on USB stick (no link), and it looks like the projected pace of solid state storage will eclipse optical in about that time, with transfer speeds in the same range.

Slash talk about this

http://hardware.slashdot.org/article...56212&from=rss

Tankerbot · 09-05-2008, 11:39 AM

Why would they put movies on "Flash" drives? More then likely it would be a read-only type memory. I wonder how much it costs for a 1gb of ROM memory compared to 1gb of flash. I would imagine the movie companies would release the moves on ROM, while third party companies would make flash version of the same technology.

That's how it started with DVDs. DVD-Rs and RWs didn't come until after the initial DVD format was developed!

firsTraveler · 09-08-2008, 07:18 PM

"Admits" is a odd choice of word.

It's been clear for a long time that online (in one form or another) will replace all forms of recorded media. The continueing question is when. Even in rich first world countries there is still insufician bandwith accessable to large percentages of individuals. And in poorer places it's going to be a long time before disk (or even tape) players will be replaced.

I dout that BluRay will ever match DVD in total sales, but it's already made it passed the point of viability.

HD Goofnut · 09-09-2008, 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by firsTraveler

"Admits" is a odd choice of word.

It's been clear for a long time that online (in one form or another) will replace all forms of recorded media. The continueing question is when. Even in rich first world countries there is still insufician bandwith accessable to large percentages of individuals. And in poorer places it's going to be a long time before disk (or even tape) players will be replaced.

I dout that BluRay will ever match DVD in total sales, but it's already made it passed the point of viability.

I have been preaching the bandwidth issue for years before I even got to this forum. Many people don't seem to realize that it still takes a couple hours to download a 1080p movie with the fastest connection money can buy. Also, that download would only have Dolby Digital or Dolby Digital+; don't even consider lossless audio unless you want to factor in more download time.

Loves2Watch · 09-09-2008, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by firsTraveler

"Admits" is a odd choice of word.

It's been clear for a long time that online (in one form or another) will replace all forms of recorded media. The continueing question is when. Even in rich first world countries there is still insufician bandwith accessable to large percentages of individuals. And in poorer places it's going to be a long time before disk (or even tape) players will be replaced.

I dout that BluRay will ever match DVD in total sales, but it's already made it passed the point of viability.

Actually most first world countries do have the necessary bandwidth. That is all accept for the US. We have the lowest bandwidth of most all countries including 3rd world nations. With companies like Comcast, for example, manipulating and capping bandwidth I can't see how the US would ever have streaming of any sort replace hard media.

firsTraveler · 09-09-2008, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loves2Watch

Actually most first world countries do have the necessary bandwidth. That is all accept for the US. We have the lowest bandwidth of most all countries including 3rd world nations. With companies like Comcast, for example, manipulating and capping bandwidth I can't see how the US would ever have streaming of any sort replace hard media.

I dout even South Korea could switch all their VHS/DVD/BluRay players to 1080p 5.1 over IP.

electrictroy · 09-10-2008, 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loves2Watch

That is all accept for the US. We have the lowest bandwidth of most all countries including 3rd world nations.

False. The U.S. has roughly the same bandwidth (average) as the European Union or Canada. 7 megabits/second.

As for flash:

It costs about $50 to buy a 50 gigabyte flash ROM. 50 cents for a disc. Do the math; disc will be around for a long, long time. ----- Discs are cheap; that's why in the gaming world they replaced ROM/RAM cartridges.

Loves2Watch · 09-10-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by electrictroy

False. The U.S. has roughly the same bandwidth (average) as the European Union or Canada. 7 megabits/second. BALONEY. This is discussed at great length on many and various websites and technical forums. WE, the US that is are far behind.

As for flash:

It costs about $50 to buy a 50 gigabyte flash ROM. 50 cents for a disc. Do the math; disc will be around for a long, long time. ----- Discs are cheap; that's why in the gaming world they replaced ROM/RAM cartridges.

The prices for other media like cards for example are rapidly coming down in price. They have been on the market a short time in comparison to CD and DVD media and the storage capacity is getting larger almost on a daily basis.

Where do you get 50 cents for a 50GB disc? Last time I checked a blank disc of that size cost around $40, when comparing retail prices to retail prices which you have done here. Get your facts straight.

Razor05 · 09-11-2008, 10:22 AM

It's too bad though, as all of the previous gaming consoles that used memory chips (no moving parts), rarely had any problems either.

09-03-2008, 09:29 AM	#1
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09-03-2008, 12:14 PM	#3
mshulman My Projector is High Def. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Marlborough, MA Age: 35 Posts: 6,758	I could see this being true as memory cards are quite cheap now. Just think about the prices and sizes we'll seen in 5-10 years. __________________ Toshiba HD-A2 and HD-A3 PS3 Panasonic BD-P1600 Sanyo PLV-Z3 Canon HF-10 Onkyo 805 Panasonic TC-P46S1 Vholdr 1080P HD Helmet Cam "I eat green berets for breakfast and I'm very hungry!"

09-03-2008, 01:06 PM	#4
Loves2Watch Ohmmmmmm Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: AZ, NM, TX, MX Posts: 16,433	Buy a movie on a flash drive, take it home and plug it in to your TV. That sounds great as long as someone doesn't implement some self destruct sequence after you have watched the movie (I really do see this coming as hints of double and triple dipping as well as view once DVD's are showing up again. Remember the original Divx?). It might make for easier transfers to the computer so the movie could be watched there as well. __________________ I tried it and if I liked it, I own it. Friends don't let friends buy Korean brand TV's.

09-03-2008, 07:30 PM	#5
gossamer 50 is the new 42 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Da Boogie-down Bronx Posts: 561	Lets face it, optics/laser are gettin' long in the tooth. Flash based media is a good alternative to optical disc because of their speed. And they're getting cheaper by the minute. But in my opinion the future of delivering content to the home is via downloads. But we're still a few years away for HD and bandwidth to coincide cohesively. __________________ Living Room: Panasonic TH-50PZ700U Plasma Scientific-Atlanta SA8300HD DVR Sony PlayStation 3 80GB Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD Toshiba SD-4700 SD DVD Apple Mac mini, 1.83GHz Intel Core Duo Onkyo TX-SR706 Receiver Paradigm Cinema 110 Speaker System Pioneer CLD-3070 LaserDisc Player Quasar VHQ760 VCR Bedroom: Panasonic TC26LX50 26-inch LCD Scientific-Atlanta SA8300HD DVR Panasonic DMP-BD30K Blu-ray Panasonic DMRES15 DVD Recorder JVC HR-S8000U S-VHS

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HD Goofnut The Official HDF Reviewer Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Mississippi, U.S.A. Your resident Dune, Star Wars, and war film expert Age: 27 Posts: 7,467	You want 1080p (or better in the future) movies? Yeah. You want HD audio? Yeah. Do you have cable, dsl, or dial-up? Sorry you must have several times the bandwidth of cable just to download that type of movie in a few minutes. Do present flash drives have the technology to store all of the data? More than like they do, but as said above if it's one time or a time period and then it's gone then it's rather pointless. It all comes down to permament ownership, quality, and bandwidth. When all three of these issues are addressed then we will have media that is as good or better than the present optical discs on a entirely different physicala and/or virtual media. __________________ Sharp LC-46SB57UN 46" 120hz 1080p LCD (24fps) Onkyo TX-SR606 7.1 Receiver Onkyo SKS-HT540 7.1 System DirecTV HR21-100 HD DVR Sony 40 GB PS3 (Netflix Enabled) LG BH200 Super Blu Toshiba HD-A20 Nintendo Wii My Movie Collection 347~151~DVD186 Latest Review: *Spies Like Us*

09-05-2008, 08:59 AM	#7
ah802 Visual Arts Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,241	Samsung agree's Blu-Ray is gone in 5 years. At least according to a Samsung exec. http://www.itnews.com.au/News/84046,...ng-claims.aspx I've already heard of movies being offered up on USB stick (no link), and it looks like the projected pace of solid state storage will eclipse optical in about that time, with transfer speeds in the same range. Slash talk about this http://hardware.slashdot.org/article...56212&from=rss

09-05-2008, 11:39 AM	#8
Tankerbot Interdimisional Spy Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Levelland TX Age: 22 Posts: 102	Why would they put movies on "Flash" drives? More then likely it would be a read-only type memory. I wonder how much it costs for a 1gb of ROM memory compared to 1gb of flash. I would imagine the movie companies would release the moves on ROM, while third party companies would make flash version of the same technology. That's how it started with DVDs. DVD-Rs and RWs didn't come until after the initial DVD format was developed!

09-08-2008, 07:18 PM	#9
firsTraveler High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 449	"Admits" is a odd choice of word. It's been clear for a long time that online (in one form or another) will replace all forms of recorded media. The continueing question is when. Even in rich first world countries there is still insufician bandwith accessable to large percentages of individuals. And in poorer places it's going to be a long time before disk (or even tape) players will be replaced. I dout that BluRay will ever match DVD in total sales, but it's already made it passed the point of viability.

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