Nobody Wants Blu-ray -- Study

rcoleman11 · 10-27-2008, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I felt just like you did until I saw several titles on HD DVD and then HDM changed my mind forever and I chose not to revert back to SD DVD. So yes I have nearly 300 SD DVDs, but I had nearly 400 before eBay and I haven't bought a SD DVD in many months. The difference is not just pixels and audio, there is also vast improvements in color, contrast, and brightness. You ever watch a SD DVD or SD broadcast on an HDTV and notice how dark the picture is? You never have this issue with BD/HD DVD and to be honest only a small number of HD channels over CAB/SAT look even close to BD/HD DVD.

I find it very hard to watch standard-def TV anymore. It has such a washed-out look compared to HD that it's almost unwatchable on a big-screen HDTV.

brant · 10-29-2008, 11:15 PM

i just wanted to throw my opinion in:

i have an HDTV; i have HD satellite service. I do not have a blu-ray player, and don't plan on purchasing one any time soon. the price of DVD's has plummeted, so I'm just enjoying that right now.

Wal-mart has some blu-ray players for under $240 now; i'll consider buying one if they reach the $150 mark. The first DVD player I ever purchased (and still have) cost $550; DVD's were around $30 a piece. The last DVD player I purchased was $30. The first one I bought was probably 10 years ago and we're still on DVD's. I can wait another 5 years to purchase a blu-ray player. To be honest, I'm hoping netflix will start streaming HD video over the roku player. Even now, w/o HD, i'm thinking about buying one. If they ever start streaming HD video, i'll have no reason to purchase a blu-ray player.

Rugger · 10-30-2008, 03:36 AM

Blu-ray will have its market open in the coming future!

Ruark · 11-10-2008, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich_Guy

many homes that own HD sets don't even know they need an HD source to get an HD picture. HD is still at it's infancy but it will grow.

This is true. There's still a LOT of naivete out there about HD. Lots of people get "wunna them flat-screen tay-vays," put their SD picture in "stretch" mode, and think that's it. In fact, I run into far more people calling them "flat-screen" TVs than "HD."

Ruark

rcoleman11 · 11-11-2008, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by brant

Wal-mart has some blu-ray players for under $240 now; i'll consider buying one if they reach the $150 mark. The first DVD player I ever purchased (and still have) cost $550; DVD's were around $30 a piece. The last DVD player I purchased was $30. The first one I bought was probably 10 years ago and we're still on DVD's. I can wait another 5 years to purchase a blu-ray player. To be honest, I'm hoping netflix will start streaming HD video over the roku player. Even now, w/o HD, i'm thinking about buying one. If they ever start streaming HD video, i'll have no reason to purchase a blu-ray player.

Some Blu-ray players are already available for less than $200. It won't be long before they hit $150. When I bought my first DVD player, it cost $150, and that was several years after they first appeared. Blu-ray players are actually coming down in price a lot faster than DVD players did. And remember what happened a few months ago when Walmart was offering an HD DVD player for $98? People were lining up in the stores at 6:00am to buy them.

Netflix will be streaming HD very soon. The problem will be the same as what we're seeing now with SD streaming - limited content and virtually no new releases available for streaming. Check the list of new releases in SD each week and see how many of them are available for streaming. Answer: close to zero. That's because they have to negotiate rights, and it's going to be difficult to do that under a flat monthly pricing system.

aed55 · 11-11-2008, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Scottnot

That's absurd!

Consider two DVDs of the same movie;

The first, a BD DVD which has been "well mastered" contains the movie at 1080p.

The second, a SD DVD which has been equally "well mastered" contains the movie at 480i.

Now, playing the SD DVD simply reproduces the entire content of the DVD, neither adding nor subtracting any information.

The content on the BD DVD, however, must be scaled from 1080p to 480i by the BD player in order to be displayed on the 1080i set.
It is unlikely that the scaler in the BD player will be as good as the mastering equipment that was used to manufacture the SD DVD, so it follows that the BD DVD on a "standard 480i set" may look worse; or it may look the same; but there is no reason why it can possibly look better than the "well mastered" SD DVD.

Just a question in the same vain. I have a 720p plasma, and a DVD player with up converter capability. Would I see a better picture when playing a Blue Ray DVD than I now receive with a standard DVD in up convert mode?

HD Goofnut · 11-11-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by aed55

Just a question in the same vain. I have a 720p plasma, and a DVD player with up converter capability. Would I see a better picture when playing a Blue Ray DVD than I now receive with a standard DVD in up convert mode?

Indeed you would and the difference would be night and day.

gossamer · 11-11-2008, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Indeed you would and the difference would be night and day.

Some differences are dusk and night.

Seriously, there are a lot of titles that are just a hair above SD DVD. But there are also plenty that are of reference quality. I would read reviews and not buy blindly.

Rich_Guy · 11-11-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by aed55

Just a question in the same vain. I have a 720p plasma, and a DVD player with up converter capability. Would I see a better picture when playing a Blue Ray DVD than I now receive with a standard DVD in up convert mode?

Yes, a nice improvement with blu-ray DVDs.

rcoleman11 · 11-11-2008, 06:37 PM

Here's another reality check for those who think downloads are going to take over the world - bandwidth caps by ISPs:

http://www.hackingnetflix.com/2008/1...sting-ban.html

Before long you'll get a limited amount of bandwidth for downloading and then you'll have to pay by the gigabyte for going over the limit.

HD Goofnut · 11-11-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rcoleman11

Here's another reality check for those who think downloads are going to take over the world - bandwidth caps by ISPs:

http://www.hackingnetflix.com/2008/1...sting-ban.html

Before long you'll get a limited amount of bandwidth for downloading and then you'll have to pay by the gigabyte for going over the limit.

Sounds awfully familiar doesn't it? Hint: Cellphones

hcour · 11-14-2008, 01:40 AM

I have a 56" Samsung HDTV and I bought one of the HD-DVD players when they were on sale at WM and I just didn't think it was that big of a deal. I'm not saying the picture wasn't better, of course it was, but compared to upconverted SD dvd's, it just wasn't that much more impressive. In fact when HD-DVD's went down for the count I sold mine and bought an OPPO 980. SD DVD's look fantastic and I'm very pleased. It is nothing like the difference between SD and HD television, w/that there is indeed a vast difference in PQ. But between an HD dvd and an upconverted SD DVD, not so much. I can live w/the latter just fine for now, until I see where BD is going (I don't intend to get burned again).

Harold

bearzilla333 · 11-14-2008, 02:42 AM

uhhh I want blu-ray.and I am somebody

tvine2000 · 11-14-2008, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by eHDMI

Story

no matter what they say,blu-ray is doing fine.
these are people with agendas,that get paid to doom a format.
screw them

MikeRox · 11-14-2008, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by gosmosis

Now my 2 cents. I thought HD was priced lower only because they were in a cat fight with BD. Was that the case - or was it cheaper from day 1? (apples vs apples)

I'd agree. HD DVD had less studios (and initially just Universal and Weinstein exclusively), so wouldn't have stood a chance if it was priced equally to Blu-ray. If Toshiba could have charged the same for HD DVD as the BDA companies did for Blu-ray, they would have done.

11-14-2008, 02:42 AM	#58
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10-29-2008, 11:15 PM	#47
brant High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 80	i just wanted to throw my opinion in: i have an HDTV; i have HD satellite service. I do not have a blu-ray player, and don't plan on purchasing one any time soon. the price of DVD's has plummeted, so I'm just enjoying that right now. Wal-mart has some blu-ray players for under $240 now; i'll consider buying one if they reach the $150 mark. The first DVD player I ever purchased (and still have) cost $550; DVD's were around $30 a piece. The last DVD player I purchased was $30. The first one I bought was probably 10 years ago and we're still on DVD's. I can wait another 5 years to purchase a blu-ray player. To be honest, I'm hoping netflix will start streaming HD video over the roku player. Even now, w/o HD, i'm thinking about buying one. If they ever start streaming HD video, i'll have no reason to purchase a blu-ray player.

10-30-2008, 03:36 AM	#48
Rugger How can anyone watch standard def? Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 20	Blu-ray will have its market open in the coming future!

11-11-2008, 06:37 PM	#55
rcoleman11 High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 207	Here's another reality check for those who think downloads are going to take over the world - bandwidth caps by ISPs: http://www.hackingnetflix.com/2008/1...sting-ban.html Before long you'll get a limited amount of bandwidth for downloading and then you'll have to pay by the gigabyte for going over the limit.

11-14-2008, 01:40 AM	#57
hcour Hi-Deferrrrific! Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 21	I have a 56" Samsung HDTV and I bought one of the HD-DVD players when they were on sale at WM and I just didn't think it was that big of a deal. I'm not saying the picture wasn't better, of course it was, but compared to upconverted SD dvd's, it just wasn't that much more impressive. In fact when HD-DVD's went down for the count I sold mine and bought an OPPO 980. SD DVD's look fantastic and I'm very pleased. It is nothing like the difference between SD and HD television, w/that there is indeed a vast difference in PQ. But between an HD dvd and an upconverted SD DVD, not so much. I can live w/the latter just fine for now, until I see where BD is going (I don't intend to get burned again). Harold