Nobody Wants Blu-ray -- Study

Nikopol

Probably just a feeble attempt at some sensationalist journalism.

Nikopol

btw here is a funny different interpretation of the (probably) same survey

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/new...ticle_id=13272

Jim Bob Jones

Not sure about "day 1". But as best I can recall, a basic first generation HD DVD player was always less expensive than a basic first generation Blu-ray player. Chris or PFC5 might correct me on this. They were in on it early on. That gap continued to widen until HD DVD went under.

zip2play

Why would someone BUY a 1080 capable TV and NOT buy a Blue Ray player? Certainly not anyone who rents DVD's for his movie watching. The TV is overspecified for ANY other use.


The near future is 1080p coupled to a Blu-Ray player...now down to $249 bucks. Anything else is outmoded technology.

Scottnot

Why would anyone ask such an absurd question . . . .

which obviously presupposes that:

#1 All people must think alike . . .

and

#2 All people who do not think like the poster must be of lesser wisdom and intelligence.

Anyway, the answer is, I guess, because people have different needs for a TV; some folks just don't rent movies; and some people are more shallow than others.

gosmosis

I bought 1080P cause I needed a new TV. Price was right. I don't have a blu-ray player yet. I guess it's because right now I can't afford another hobby (blu-ray player AND blu-ray discs) No other reason really. But, soon, very soon...

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soupnazi

Because, Some people want a quality big screen TV that just happens to be 1080p.

Blu-ray is still finding it's market and these people are not in too much of a hurry to upgrade yet.

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electrictroy

You don't need to buy a new tv to enjoy Bluray. The simple fact that it eliminates compression artifacts automatically makes it an improvement on the DVD, even on a standard 480i set.

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Scottnot

That's absurd!

Consider two DVDs of the same movie;

The first, a BD DVD which has been "well mastered" contains the movie at 1080p.

The second, a SD DVD which has been equally "well mastered" contains the movie at 480i.

Now, playing the SD DVD simply reproduces the entire content of the DVD, neither adding nor subtracting any information.

The content on the BD DVD, however, must be scaled from 1080p to 480i by the BD player in order to be displayed on the 1080i set.
It is unlikely that the scaler in the BD player will be as good as the mastering equipment that was used to manufacture the SD DVD, so it follows that the BD DVD on a "standard 480i set" may look worse; or it may look the same; but there is no reason why it can possibly look better than the "well mastered" SD DVD.

gosmosis

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scottnot The content on the BD DVD, however, must be scaled from 1080p to 480i by the BD player in order to be displayed on the 1080i set. It is unlikely that the scaler in the BD player will be as good as the mastering equipment that was used to manufacture the SD DVD, so it follows that the BD DVD on a "standard 480i set" may look worse; or it may look the same; but there is no reason why it can possibly look better than the "well mastered" SD DVD.

That makes sense.

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gosmosis

Educate the people setting the prices. Lower the prices and the masses will come.

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Blckman

Okay people. I have to say that I don't agree with this article. However, it does has some merit in that the economy hasn't been the best right now. That being said, when I see headlines that say Circuit City and Wal-Mart had losses in the last quarter, you really have to look at the article. The numbers are horrible, however, if a barrel of oil fluctuates and gas doesn't go down under $4.00 per gallon, then all indication is that most consumers don't have the money to get a HDTV. I know people because I'm in the heart of California in Pasadena. I was in Circuit City, Best Buy, Wal-Mart, and Fry's Electronics this past Sunday and it was dead. In fact, I work so close to these retailers that I'm in these retailers about three times a week. Many of you don't live in California where gas is the highest in the country. Many of you also have to realize which one is more important: An HDTV or the pressures of facing foreclosure? I would want save my home. And you must realize that the Inland Empire is a dessert. The hell with an HDTV. I'm not a millionaire, but I've had an HDTV before HDMI was even brought to the forefront. Somebody said in the forum that those 1,000 surveyed probably don't have an HDTV. I would put myself in the group(just an example) and if they surveyed me I would go by what the consumer says when I talk to them along the isles. "I have to first get the TV to take advantage of Blu-Ray, then maybe I'll get the player when it comes down under $200.00." I have great deal of toys in an apartment you wouldn't imagine. That doesn't mean that the article is not valid. To each his own. I don't like the numbers that the article brought forth, but I sure do agree that Blu-Ray is a long way off from being the mainstream media for consumers when we have an economy that just can't seem to get it right. It's just my opinion and not to slander or hurt any of you guys. I respect you all and points well taken. God bless....

electrictroy

No it's not absurd. My DVD of Matrix had compression artifacts (especially in the dark scenes) whereas the HD-DVD did not. Therefore I received a visible improvement by upgrading to HD-DVD, even while watching in 480i.

A few more examples where the same was true (the HD-DVD in 480i looked better than the DVD): Blade Runner, Apollo 13, Mission Impossible. This is the direct result of HD-DVD being encoded at an average 20-25 megabit/s versus DVD only being an average 3-4 megabit/s.

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Chris Gerhard

The product has to sell for a profit or no company will make the product. The continual claim here that lowering prices will cause Blu-ray to succeed should be easily disproved with the HD DVD failure despite low priced hardware sold a huge loss resulting in only one manufacturer interested and that one pulled out after the losses were too great to continue with no hope for anything other than further losses.

The only possible way for Blu-ray to succeed is for efficiency improvements over time resulting in lower manufacturing costs and ultimately lower sales prices. If nobody buys the product while that process continues, the product dies before it can happen. I am personally delighted with the process as it stands now, prices have fallen faster than I had believed possible. People can whine and sit on the sidelines and wait for lower prices, that is fine with me, but trying to claim immediately lowering prices is the way for the companies involved to succeed is a bunch of hooey. Consumers need to get involved for the product to succeed and it appears to me that is what is happening, the whiners sitting on the sideline notwithstanding. I am impressed that Funai, Sony, Pioneer, Panasonic, Samsung, Sharp and the others have managed to make such high quality players at good prices.

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