New movie service

quad4.0 · 12-11-2012, 04:52 PM

http://www./t/1444762/kaleidescape-o...-ray-dvd-discs

This, is the beggining of the demise of BD media. Others will follow suit. There will alwys be hard media but most will be in this format in the future.

robertva · 12-11-2012, 07:11 PM

Appears to be a missing domain name in the link. No, I refuse to "Google" it based on such vague information.

I'm not impressed with either the prices or device compatibility of digital videos, so I'm sticking with optical media for a while. The only advantage I see to downloads is not having to drive a few blocks to the machine in front of the convenience store, supermarket or corner chain pharmacy.

jkkyler · 12-12-2012, 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quad4.0

http://www./t/1444762/kaleidescape-o...-ray-dvd-discs

This, is the beggining of the demise of BD media. Others will follow suit. There will alwys be hard media but most will be in this format in the future.

All this is doing is ripping it to a hard drive and then using a media server

Quote:

Q: What is the Kaleidescape System?
A: The Kaleidescape System is a movie server that digitally stores and organizes your movies, and makes them available from any television in your home. It makes it much more fun and convenient to enjoy movies and music in your home. It lets you store your entire collection of Blu-ray Discs, DVDs, and CDs on an array of fail-safe hard disk drives. It automatically documents and organizes them, and makes them instantaneously available for viewing or listening in every room of your home. The intuitive and entertaining Kaleidescape user interface provides various ways for you to browse and select your movies and music. You can play, pause, resume, even bookmark and later jump to favorite movie scenes, create personalized scripts and play lists, and exercise parental controls over which movies and music are available in each room of your home. Kaleidescape makes it easy for the whole family to enjoy a large collection of movies and music.

Q: What are the components of a Kaleidescape System?
A: A Kaleidescape System includes Kaleidescape hardware components (servers, players, disc vaults, and disk cartridges), licenses to Kaleidescape software (including KEAOS, the Kaleidescape Entertainment Appliance Operating System), and access to Kaleidescape services (including the Kaleidescape Movie Guide, Music Guide, Alerts, and Software Update Services).

Kaleidescape servers store digital copies of Blu-ray Discs, DVDs and CDs on a reliable array of hard disk drives and deliver movies and music across a home Ethernet network to players throughout the home. Each player operates independently so you can watch movies and listen to music in different rooms. Disc vaults import and house discs.

All Kaleidescape hardware components work together and new components can be added to any system. Add disk cartridges or servers to increase the storage capacity of a system. Add players to expand movie and music playback to more rooms.

You have to own the physical disc first

Rbink or others - How can this be legal? Isn't this in direct violation of the DMCA - defeating encryption/copyright protection?
http://www.kaleidescape.com/
http://www.kaleidescape.com/products...0000000LTpsAAG

quad4.0 · 12-12-2012, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robertva

Appears to be a missing domain name in the link. No, I refuse to "Google" it based on such vague information.

I'm not impressed with either the prices or device compatibility of digital videos, so I'm sticking with optical media for a while. The only advantage I see to downloads is not having to drive a few blocks to the machine in front of the convenience store, supermarket or corner chain pharmacy.

Shoot the delivery boy-why not? Like it or not, it will happen. Hard media will always be around, but not like it is now. It's the way things are going.

**rbinck** · 12-12-2012, 01:22 PM

jk if you would copy and paste my PM reply to you here it ay be helpful. I can't C&P right now.

Rick-F · 12-12-2012, 01:37 PM

This equipment has been around for nearly a decade . . . not really "new". There is probably a good reason it has not really "caught on" in a big way.

From Wikipedia:

In 2004, the DVD Copy Control Association, the licensor of CSS (content scramble system), the technology for the copy control of DVDs, sued Kaleidescape for breach of contract. The DVD CCA alleged that its CSS License did not permit Kaleidescape's movie servers to serve DVDs from copies on hard disk. They sued to stop the company from selling these movie servers. Kaleidescape Systems allow users to rip, store, and stream video from DVDs. The case, although only for breach of contract and not a copyright case, was considered by some to be an important recent test of fair use precedent, given advancements in technology and the digital media rights field. In 2007, Kaleidescape won the case. In fact, the DVD CCA had alleged that Kaleidescape had breached terms in a document called the General Specifications. The court ruled that the General Specifications are not even part of the contract. On August 13, 2009, a California appellate court reversed the lower court's decision that the General Specifications is not part of the CSS License, and sent the case back to the lower court for further proceedings (see DVD Copy Control Association, Inc. v. Kaleidescape, Inc.). This appellate court ruling did not address the issue of whether Kaleidescape violated the contract (contrary to some news reports), instead deferring that determination to the lower court. In March 2012, it was ruled that Kaleidescape had violated the terms of the contract, and an injunction was issued prohibiting them from selling or supporting the products in question. The California 6th District Court of Appeal granted Kaleidescape a temporary stay of the injunction on March 29, 2012. This temporary stay stops the injunction from coming into effect, while the Court of Appeal decides whether or not to stay the injunction during the entire appeal process.

I'd for sure want to wait until all the legal questions were settled before I spent a ton of dollars on this setup - and it IS a ton of money . . .

jkkyler · 12-12-2012, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rbinck

jk if you would copy and paste my PM reply to you here it ay be helpful. I can't C&P right now.

Rbincks message to me

Quote:

I'm using my tablet right now so I can't copy and paste a link, but if you google "is kaleidescape legal?" there is a link that has the latest update on their legal battle with the DVD association. There was a period of time in this saga where they were only doing downloads, but apparently currently they can still rip discs until the case is settled.l

appears the courts are currently deciding this

jkkyler · 12-12-2012, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick-F

This equipment has been around for nearly a decade . . . not really "new". There is probably a good reason it has not really "caught on" in a big way.

From Wikipedia:

In 2004, the DVD Copy Control Association, the licensor of CSS (content scramble system), the technology for the copy control of DVDs, sued Kaleidescape for breach of contract. The DVD CCA alleged that its CSS License did not permit Kaleidescape's movie servers to serve DVDs from copies on hard disk. They sued to stop the company from selling these movie servers. Kaleidescape Systems allow users to rip, store, and stream video from DVDs. The case, although only for breach of contract and not a copyright case, was considered by some to be an important recent test of fair use precedent, given advancements in technology and the digital media rights field. In 2007, Kaleidescape won the case. In fact, the DVD CCA had alleged that Kaleidescape had breached terms in a document called the General Specifications. The court ruled that the General Specifications are not even part of the contract. On August 13, 2009, a California appellate court reversed the lower court's decision that the General Specifications is not part of the CSS License, and sent the case back to the lower court for further proceedings (see DVD Copy Control Association, Inc. v. Kaleidescape, Inc.). This appellate court ruling did not address the issue of whether Kaleidescape violated the contract (contrary to some news reports), instead deferring that determination to the lower court. In March 2012, it was ruled that Kaleidescape had violated the terms of the contract, and an injunction was issued prohibiting them from selling or supporting the products in question. The California 6th District Court of Appeal granted Kaleidescape a temporary stay of the injunction on March 29, 2012. This temporary stay stops the injunction from coming into effect, while the Court of Appeal decides whether or not to stay the injunction during the entire appeal process.

I'd for sure want to wait until all the legal questions were settled before I spent a ton of dollars on this setup - and it IS a ton of money . . .

Thanks Rick

quad4.0 · 12-12-2012, 03:20 PM

http://www.kaleidescape.com/products/servers/

Here's the kicker, 20k for system.
we'll see more in Jan at the ces in LV

12-11-2012, 04:52 PM	#1
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12-11-2012, 07:11 PM	#2
robertva Saving my pennies for HD Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 179	Appears to be a missing domain name in the link. No, I refuse to "Google" it based on such vague information. I'm not impressed with either the prices or device compatibility of digital videos, so I'm sticking with optical media for a while. The only advantage I see to downloads is not having to drive a few blocks to the machine in front of the convenience store, supermarket or corner chain pharmacy.

12-12-2012, 01:37 PM	#6
Rick-F 58 + 50 in. PDP 32in LCD Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 3,137	This equipment has been around for nearly a decade . . . not really "new". There is probably a good reason it has not really "caught on" in a big way. From Wikipedia: In 2004, the DVD Copy Control Association, the licensor of CSS (content scramble system), the technology for the copy control of DVDs, sued Kaleidescape for breach of contract. The DVD CCA alleged that its CSS License did not permit Kaleidescape's movie servers to serve DVDs from copies on hard disk. They sued to stop the company from selling these movie servers. Kaleidescape Systems allow users to rip, store, and stream video from DVDs. The case, although only for breach of contract and not a copyright case, was considered by some to be an important recent test of fair use precedent, given advancements in technology and the digital media rights field. In 2007, Kaleidescape won the case. In fact, the DVD CCA had alleged that Kaleidescape had breached terms in a document called the General Specifications. The court ruled that the General Specifications are not even part of the contract. On August 13, 2009, a California appellate court reversed the lower court's decision that the General Specifications is not part of the CSS License, and sent the case back to the lower court for further proceedings (see DVD Copy Control Association, Inc. v. Kaleidescape, Inc.). This appellate court ruling did not address the issue of whether Kaleidescape violated the contract (contrary to some news reports), instead deferring that determination to the lower court. In March 2012, it was ruled that Kaleidescape had violated the terms of the contract, and an injunction was issued prohibiting them from selling or supporting the products in question. The California 6th District Court of Appeal granted Kaleidescape a temporary stay of the injunction on March 29, 2012. This temporary stay stops the injunction from coming into effect, while the Court of Appeal decides whether or not to stay the injunction during the entire appeal process. I'd for sure want to wait until all the legal questions were settled before I spent a ton of dollars on this setup - and it IS a ton of money . . .