Digital-media sales stalled in Q1

Dare · 07-12-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ack_bak

Then explain this:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/DVD+RE...d)-a0103864855

This is the first week that DVD passed VHS in rental volume. It was June 2003.

I already did explain it, repeatedly. You're just ignoring me. See posts 60, 66, and 76 of this thread.

bicker · 07-29-2009, 08:42 AM

More indication that disc sales revenues still declining:

http://www.tvweek.com/blogs/tvbizwir...takes-a-34.php

HD Goofnut · 07-29-2009, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bicker

More indication that disc sales revenues still declining:

http://www.tvweek.com/blogs/tvbizwir...takes-a-34.php

You mean DVD sales are declining right? Kosty just posted the latest data where BD is seeing 130% growth YTD.

bicker · 07-29-2009, 08:47 AM

Disc sales overall though are still declining, and in the end, distributors don't care how they make revenue -- they just care about how much revenue the make.

HD Goofnut · 07-29-2009, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bicker

Disc sales overall though are still declining, and in the end, distributors don't care how they make revenue -- they just care about how much revenue the make.

Just how do you think BD sales are declining if its growth is 130% better than at this time last year?

Lee Stewart · 07-29-2009, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Just how do you think BD sales are declining if its growth is 130% better than at this time last year?

He said "disc sales overall." BD has yet to cover the loss in sales that DVD is having.

HD Goofnut · 07-29-2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

He said "disc sales overall." BD has yet to cover the loss in sales that DVD is having.

It should cover the gap within the next year or so.

Lee Stewart · 07-29-2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

It should cover the gap within the next year or so.

Nothing more than speculation.

The disc market is getting smaller (sales) and has been for the last 3 years.

Lee Stewart · 07-29-2009, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bicker

More indication that disc sales revenues still declining:

http://www.tvweek.com/blogs/tvbizwir...takes-a-34.php

And Paramount took a big hit also:

Viacom’s Paramount takes Q2 loss
PHYSICAL: Home entertainment revenue down 29%

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6673433.html

Nikopol · 07-29-2009, 10:13 AM

Doom and Gloom will ignore it, put i'll post it anyway

The New Nielsen Pie Chart
Next Gen DVD Players (Blu-ray) outsell Home DVD players in latest NPD $ sales report
+
http://www.highdefforum.com/912108-post141.html

bicker · 07-29-2009, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

He said "disc sales overall." BD has yet to cover the loss in sales that DVD is having.

Thanks for actually reading the messages that HD Goofnut was replying to.

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

It should cover the gap within the next year or so.

Please show mathematically how the trend in the increase you cited for BD will overcome the overall decrease I cited for disc sales overall. (Hint: You can't, because my citation includes BD.)

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Nothing more than speculation.

And bad speculation at that.

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

The disc market is getting smaller (sales) and has been for the last 3 years.

And there is no evidence that would lead a reasonable person to think that that is going to suddenly change.

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Originally Posted by Nikopol

Doom and Gloom will ignore it, put i'll post it anyway

We don't ignore it; we perhaps understand business better than you do. What you seem to not realize that is that that data only shows how BD is growing; it doesn't show how that growth stacks up against the decline in DVD. As long as the total dollar amount decline in DVD is greater than the total dollar amount growth in BD, then the disc industry revenues is shrinking.

bicker · 07-29-2009, 12:21 PM

Found this:

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Keep in mind Mike that total sales for the first half of 2008:
DVD = $5.97 Billion
BD = $200 Million

For the first half of 2009:
DVD = $4.82 Billion
BD = $532 Million

TOTAL Disc Revenues
First half of 2008 = $6.17 Billion
First half of 2009 = $5.35 Billion

Trend: down

HD Goofnut · 07-29-2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bicker

Thanks for actually reading the messages that HD Goofnut was replying to.

Please show mathematically how the trend in the increase you cited for BD will overcome the overall decrease I cited for disc sales overall. (Hint: You can't, because my citation includes BD.)

And bad speculation at that.

And there is no evidence that would lead a reasonable person to think that that is going to suddenly change.

We don't ignore it; we perhaps understand business better than you do. What you seem to not realize that is that that data only shows how BD is growing; it doesn't show how that growth stacks up against the decline in DVD. As long as the total dollar amount decline in DVD is greater than the total dollar amount growth in BD, then the disc industry revenues is shrinking.

If you don't have a job you need one and your screen name fits you perfectly.

bicker · 07-29-2009, 12:29 PM

And just to drive this to the point of stupidity, if we assume straight-line trends (probably not a reasonable assumption, either way -- i.e., DVD is likely to fall more rapidly than straight-line, and BD is likely to rise more rapidly than straight-line), it will take until 2026 before Total Revenues recovers to last year's level.

bicker · 07-29-2009, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

your screen name fits you perfectly.

As does yours.

BTW, I dunno where you work, but they actually give us time off to eat lunch, here.

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