Blu About The Slow Release of Classic Titles On Blu-ray? Take Heart!

scsa · 02-18-2009, 08:01 AM

No I agreed with you fully.

dangerdoc · 02-18-2009, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Well said. Give me all the Sinbad movies, Jason and the Argonauts, Mysterious Island, The Thing From Another World, Battleground, The Wizard of Oz, etc.

Two words, John Wayne.

dsskid · 02-18-2009, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by scsa

No I agreed with you fully.

misread your response. Thought you said you disagreed. I need to ingest some caffeine.

scsa · 02-18-2009, 08:05 AM

no problem Dsskid.

Lee Stewart · 02-18-2009, 08:10 AM

One of the greatest westerns ever made, which also IMO is John Waynes best picture - The Searchers - is available on both HD DVD and BD.

So how many on this thread have purchased this incredible and absolutely fantastic looking (PQ) film?

Show of hands . . .

HD Goofnut · 02-18-2009, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

One of the greatest westerns ever made, which also IMO is John Waynes best picture - The Searchers - is available on both HD DVD and BD.

So how many on this thread have purchased this incredible and absolutely fantastic looking (PQ) film?

Show of hands . . .

I have it on BD and my dad has it on HD DVD. I just recently bought him The Cowboys on HD DVD as well.

dangerdoc · 02-18-2009, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

One of the greatest westerns ever made, which also IMO is John Waynes best picture - The Searchers - is available on both HD DVD and BD.

So how many on this thread have purchased this incredible and absolutely fantastic looking (PQ) film?

Show of hands . . .

There's only a handful of John Wayne movies that I don't care for too much.

The Searchers and The Cowboys are two of them. The Searchers is supposed to be a gorgeous movie in HD, but I have it on DVD and I have never been able to sit all the way through the movie. I decided not to double dip.

I don't want to trash the movie, I understand there are those that love it but it wasn't my cup of tea. Give me Big Jake, Sons of Katie Elder, McClintock, Rio Bravo...

HD Goofnut · 02-18-2009, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dangerdoc

There's only a handful of John Wayne movies that I don't care for too much.

The Searchers and The Cowboys are two of them. The Searchers is supposed to be a gorgeous movie in HD, but I have it on DVD and I have never been able to sit all the way through the movie. I decided not to double dip.

I don't want to trash the movie, I understand there are those that love it but it wasn't my cup of tea. Give me Big Jake, Sons of Katie Elder, McClintock, Rio Bravo...

Don't forget The Alamo and Horse Soldiers.

**bruceames** · 02-18-2009, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by hatt

Anything that isn't almost perfect is going to take a beating on the forums by the usual suspects. You know the game Bruce; the studios should to be churning out thousands of titles, each carefully restored, with lossless audio, and some extras pulled out of somewhere. Oh and on BD50s for sure. For $12. Anything less = ZOMG, the studios/BDA....

This article really didn't say anything that anyone looking at the situation without bias wouldn't already know.

Certainly some degree of cleanup/restoration is necessary, but where do you draw the line, depending on the title? How much should be spent on lesser known classics such as The Big Sleep or 42nd Street? WB has already got these looking good on DVD and I don't see why they need to throw that work away and start from scratch in most cases. BCI released a couple of Bob Hope double features and they're not completely restored either, but they look a heck of a lot better than the DVD.

What I'm saying is that sure the top classics should look as perfect as possible, but most of these classics are very old 1.33:1 movies that can really never look 'perfect' just because they're so old and the restoration expense will never be worth the money they'll make on sales.

I think this guy is talking out of his a little too much, like he expects WB to just give him 500k per movie for restoration and he'll poke around with them and put out 30 per year or some other ridiculously low number. These are fucking OLD movies for crying out loud, they not supposed to look perfect. The amount of prep money spent on them should be proportional to the importance and projected sales of the titles themselves.

PFC5 · 02-18-2009, 11:48 AM

The work done to restore these movies in digital form will preserve them for history sake, so even if they do not make much if any profit they are preserving them as an asset with a historical value.

Certainly many people love these classics, but I really care more about the modern classics myself. I am sure modern classics like Jaws, Jurassic Park, etc. will sell much better and there doesn't seem to be a good reason for them NOT to be coming out very soon on BD.

DonnyDC · 02-18-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

The issue at hand is money spent by the studios versus money returned by the sale of the title.

If the release is on BD only, then the sales will not be as great as if the release is on both formats. And with classic films - DVD has already released most of the classics so people already have them in their library for the most part.

It isnt just BD and DVD, theres also future mediums that these can be used for. Its more of a time issue rather than a money issue. Take a star is born for instance.
"From restoration to scanning to mastering, the entire process is expected to take up to six months. The studio says the primary goal of the project is preservation, but that the restored film will also eventually be released on Blu-ray Disc and standard DVD."
Wow, the disc release is the 'secondary' goal for the restoration.

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And again, I see no proof that classics sell well on BD.

Then again we dont know the studios exact criteria for releasing movies on BD, they probably arent close to yours...

Lee Stewart · 02-18-2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DonnyDC

It isnt just BD and DVD, theres also future mediums that these can be used for. Its more of a time issue rather than a money issue. Take a star is born for instance.
"From restoration to scanning to mastering, the entire process is expected to take up to six months. The studio says the primary goal of the project is preservation, but that the restored film will also eventually be released on Blu-ray Disc and standard DVD."
Wow, the disc release is the 'secondary' goal for the restoration.

That's all fine and dandy when the studios are making money. Think restoration will still be in the budget after the financial results of Q4?

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Then again we dont know the studios exact criteria for releasing movies on BD, they probably arent close to yours...

Sure they are - make lots of money!

DonnyDC · 02-18-2009, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

That's all fine and dandy when the studios are making money. Think restoration will still be in the budget after the financial results of Q4?

Maybe not. If so hopefully we can ease our expectations on catalog releases rather than blaming the BD format.

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Sure they are - make lots of money!

Which could mean anything. Maybe theyre happy with the Casablanca 2003 restoration on DVD, its #11000 on amazon while the older 2000 release is #72. That same master was used for BD and HDDVD and could be used in other mediums aswell.

hatt · 02-18-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

One of the greatest westerns ever made, which also IMO is John Waynes best picture - The Searchers - is available on both HD DVD and BD.

So how many on this thread have purchased this incredible and absolutely fantastic looking (PQ) film?

Show of hands . . .

Sams club has(had?) The Searchers for $10 if anyone is interested in that one. And no I didn't buy it but I did watch 4 westerns in a row the other day on MGMHD.

Lee Stewart · 02-18-2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DonnyDC

Maybe not. If so hopefully we can ease our expectations on catalog releases rather than blaming the BD format.

But we have to blame the BD Format. If it wasn't so good (PQ) they wouldn't have this problem.

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Which could mean anything. Maybe theyre happy with the Casablanca 2003 restoration on DVD, its #11000 on amazon while the older 2000 release is #72. That same master was used for BD and HDDVD and could be used in other mediums aswell.

Sure - and they create HD masters for CST of movies that are not available on HDM yet.

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Lee Stewart Muscle Cars Forever! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 35,092	One of the greatest westerns ever made, which also IMO is John Waynes best picture - The Searchers - is available on both HD DVD and BD. So how many on this thread have purchased this incredible and absolutely fantastic looking (PQ) film? Show of hands . . .