BD/DVD Hybrid Disc

Robertoy · 12-19-2008, 10:08 AM

BD/DVD Hybrid Disc

Single sided 3 layer Disc: 1 layer BD (25Gb) and 2 layers for DVD (8.5Gb)

PS3 to play the Blu-ray layer and a Pioneer DV-585A dvd player to play the DVD layers:

Blu-ray and DVD:

http://av.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/20081219/kyodo.htm
Japanese > English

Roberto

dangerdoc · 12-19-2008, 10:46 AM

Has this been approved by the DVD forum?

Lee Stewart · 12-19-2008, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dangerdoc

Has this been approved by the DVD forum?

I checked already - it hasn't even been submitted to the Forum for approval.

mobiushky · 12-19-2008, 11:45 AM

So let me ask the obvious question. Should it be approved? I would think it would be unforgivably hypocritical to say that the combo disc was better for consumers than BD and then refuse to allow or hope for the same set up for the only surviving HD format.

If combo discs were the pinnacle of consumer first, then so are these BD/DVD discs. If this pans out as feasible, it should be whole heartedly embraced.

Nikopol · 12-19-2008, 11:54 AM

and it's not even a bloody flipper....

h0mi · 12-19-2008, 11:55 AM

As long as these discs don't have the same problems that HD DVD combos (those flipper discs) had, I'd be in favor of it. But would it work in all blu-ray players? Would the DVD layer not work in a blu-ray player? A BD-50 combo disc would be preferred.

Nikopol · 12-19-2008, 12:03 PM

Quote:

First Hybrid Blu-ray Planned for Release

Posted December 19, 2008 11:49 AM by Josh Dreuth

Blu-ray Disc Japanese optical disc manufacturer Infinity has announced the first Blu-ray release which makes use of a hybrid Blu-ray/DVD release. Due to hit store shelves on February 18th, 'Code Blue' will feature four hybrid discs, which feature a single Blu-ray layer (25GB) and two DVD layers (9GB) on the same side of the disc.

The disc has been approved by the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA), but has not been certified by the DVD Forum due to compatibility issues with some DVD players. The company tested the disc on 64 different players - including PC drives as well as standalone DVD and Blu-ray Disc players - and saw 100% compatibility, so the issue seems to be rare.

Infinity has also developed a 50GB version which they are now in the process of getting certified by the BDA. It will be interesting to see if the technology gets adopted for any major Hollywood releases in the future.

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=2196

mobiushky · 12-19-2008, 12:12 PM

Quote:

The disc has been approved by the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA), but has not been certified by the DVD Forum due to compatibility issues with some DVD players. The company tested the disc on 64 different players - including PC drives as well as standalone DVD and Blu-ray Disc players - and saw 100% compatibility, so the issue seems to be rare.

DVD Forum stance: "BD does not exist. We will deny all knowledge of this non-existent format you speak of...."

To me, it reads as the DVD forum is playing sour grapes a bit. But then, who cares if they certify it at all?

hatt · 12-19-2008, 12:18 PM

I'm waiting for all the combo fanboys to chime in about how great this would be if it was approved. "This is going to do so much for HDM adoption." Somehow I expect this however: "Consumers...PS3...PS3....BDA...PS3...HD DVD was the only chance...because of...PS3...PS3...Sony monopoly...PS3 sales tanking...PS3...tiny niche....PS3..sucks."

bhampton · 12-19-2008, 12:22 PM

Oh no ... More crap inspired by HD DUD.

First we get picture in picture now this.

Oy.

If something is coming to Blu Ray .... There is no point in having a DVD version. That's the dumbest thing about this idea but Blu Ray seems to get every dumb aspect of HD DUD ported over....

dangerdoc · 12-19-2008, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mobiushky

DVD Forum stance: "BD does not exist. We will deny all knowledge of this non-existent format you speak of...."

To me, it reads as the DVD forum is playing sour grapes a bit. But then, who cares if they certify it at all?

Three seperate issues. Floor space is like gold. Duplicate title in DVD and BD is expensive for retailers and content producers.

Second issue is even with houses with a BD player, there will often be DVD players in other rooms. A combo disc would make the decission to buy much easier for some people.

Third is having the DVD layers solve the issue of digital copy and would make it much easier to transition completely out of DVD production.

dangerdoc · 12-19-2008, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhampton

Oh no ... More crap inspired by HD DUD.

First we get picture in picture now this.

Oy.

If something is coming to Blu Ray .... There is no point in having a DVD version. That's the dumbest thing about this idea but Blu Ray seems to get every dumb aspect of HD DUD ported over....

When you have kids and a DVD player in the car, you will understand.

bhampton · 12-19-2008, 12:56 PM

My kids have a DVD player in the car.

(I have 3 kids and 2 cars.. one portable player.)

But,... All those pixar and disney DVD's that I already have and hope to replace on Blu soon will do them fine for car trips until they manage to load up ipods to use instead.

My Blu's are not going on car trips even though they have great scratch resistant coating. I will keep all my kids DVDs and they are getting an ipod this year for x-mass so I'm sure soon they will want to be using that with digital copies.

ack_bak · 12-19-2008, 12:58 PM

I would only be interested in these discs if they did not add to the cost of the movie (which I doubt) or if it were for a kids movie. I doubt I will ever watch the DVD version of any movie if I have the BD version unless it is a kids movie. And even then, with the digital copy, I am set most of the time.

Nikopol · 12-19-2008, 01:01 PM

somehow i think BD will make it without hybrid discs.

12-19-2008, 10:08 AM	#1
Robertoy High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 816	BD/DVD Hybrid Disc BD/DVD Hybrid Disc Single sided 3 layer Disc: 1 layer BD (25Gb) and 2 layers for DVD (8.5Gb) PS3 to play the Blu-ray layer and a Pioneer DV-585A dvd player to play the DVD layers: Blu-ray and DVD: http://av.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/20081219/kyodo.htm Japanese > English Roberto

12-19-2008, 11:45 AM	#4
mobiushky More than meets the eyes! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: State of Insanity Posts: 2,993	So let me ask the obvious question. Should it be approved? I would think it would be unforgivably hypocritical to say that the combo disc was better for consumers than BD and then refuse to allow or hope for the same set up for the only surviving HD format. If combo discs were the pinnacle of consumer first, then so are these BD/DVD discs. If this pans out as feasible, it should be whole heartedly embraced. __________________ DRM is roughly the equivalent of poking you in the eye, repeatedly. ---------------------------------------------------- Main Setup: Pioneer PDP-5070HD Pioneer VSX-80TXV Dish Vip622 PS3 (120Gb, w/BC) Like a BD player can play games too, how silly. Logitech Harmony 1000 remote All Klipsch speakers Bedroom Setup: Sony KDR-40XBR4 Dish Vip622 PS3 Slim (120Gb) I think I have too many PS3s. Sony Commander RM-AV3000

12-19-2008, 11:55 AM	#6
h0mi High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 293	As long as these discs don't have the same problems that HD DVD combos (those flipper discs) had, I'd be in favor of it. But would it work in all blu-ray players? Would the DVD layer not work in a blu-ray player? A BD-50 combo disc would be preferred. __________________ : 26 (1 dupe) : 57 "(Format) War's long done. We're all just folk now."

12-19-2008, 12:22 PM	#10
bhampton Red at Heart Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 902	Oh no ... More crap inspired by HD DUD. First we get picture in picture now this. Oy. If something is coming to Blu Ray .... There is no point in having a DVD version. That's the dumbest thing about this idea but Blu Ray seems to get every dumb aspect of HD DUD ported over.... __________________ It's better on Blu I would rather rent the Blu Ray than buy the DVD.

12-19-2008, 12:56 PM	#13
bhampton Red at Heart Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 902	My kids have a DVD player in the car. (I have 3 kids and 2 cars.. one portable player.) But,... All those pixar and disney DVD's that I already have and hope to replace on Blu soon will do them fine for car trips until they manage to load up ipods to use instead. My Blu's are not going on car trips even though they have great scratch resistant coating. I will keep all my kids DVDs and they are getting an ipod this year for x-mass so I'm sure soon they will want to be using that with digital copies. __________________ It's better on Blu I would rather rent the Blu Ray than buy the DVD.

12-19-2008, 10:46 AM	#2
dangerdoc ------------------------- Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 532	Has this been approved by the DVD forum?

12-19-2008, 11:54 AM	#5
Nikopol Uwe Boll's my hero Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Maelstrom Blu-rays: 14 Age: 5 Posts: 6,374	and it's not even a bloody flipper....

12-19-2008, 12:18 PM	#9
hatt HD Elitist Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: FL Age: 34 Posts: 5,333	I'm waiting for all the combo fanboys to chime in about how great this would be if it was approved. "This is going to do so much for HDM adoption." Somehow I expect this however: "Consumers...PS3...PS3....BDA...PS3...HD DVD was the only chance...because of...PS3...PS3...Sony monopoly...PS3 sales tanking...PS3...tiny niche....PS3..sucks."

12-19-2008, 12:58 PM	#14
ack_bak Hidef Junkie Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,432	I would only be interested in these discs if they did not add to the cost of the movie (which I doubt) or if it were for a kids movie. I doubt I will ever watch the DVD version of any movie if I have the BD version unless it is a kids movie. And even then, with the digital copy, I am set most of the time.

12-19-2008, 01:01 PM	#15
Nikopol Uwe Boll's my hero Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Maelstrom Blu-rays: 14 Age: 5 Posts: 6,374	somehow i think BD will make it without hybrid discs.

Similar Threads to BD/DVD Hybrid Disc
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Blu Ray Vs HD-DVD Debate	Knight76	Blu-Ray Players	804	01-20-2010 03:13 PM
Trend Continues - Including A DVD With A BD Release	Lee Stewart	High Definition Media	169	03-13-2009 07:33 AM
Toshiba Develops Hybrid Blu-ray Disc ?	The_Omega_Man	High Definition Media	132	01-25-2009 01:03 PM
Can a Blu-Ray/DVD Hybrid disc save Blu-Ray?	jjufon	High Definition Media	25	12-23-2008 05:14 PM
BD+ on New Titles Causes Problems for Consumers	mswoods1	High Definition Media	121	10-12-2007 01:18 PM