The Dark Knight Blu-ray disc leaking out, complaints already rolling in

11-25-2008, 05:15 AM

Bill Hunt:

Film Rating: A
Video (1-20): 18.5
Audio (1-20): 19
Extras: B-

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/review...ightsting.html

MikeRox · 11-25-2008, 05:32 AM

but it's a crappy low definition audio track!

and teh HALOZ!

MikeRox · 11-25-2008, 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kamspy

I watched The Matrix tonight for the first time in 1080p/24 (if you can call it that on an A-20), and let me just say that I hope it doesn't look anything like this.

The wide shots are crap, and the color timing is atrocious. Some of the screen caps for TDK remind me of this atrociousness.

The Matrix is an incredibly over rated HDM release IMO. The 5/5 ratings were due to fanboy rivalry (hey, it was HD DVDs ""killer"" title) and the fact that at the time it was an incredibly high profile release for HDM full stop. [and this is coming from an ex HD DVD fanboy

]

I hope people aren't giving The Dark Knight the same preferential treatment due to how "important" it is.

Cowboy X · 11-25-2008, 05:55 AM

I'm surprised that no one has yet jumped in to complain about the use of VC-1.

11-25-2008, 06:04 AM

Matrix, you mean this title with no details?

The DK preview on the Batman Begins BD looked fantastic and comparing the screenshots of the BB preview and the retail TDK, i can't see much difference between them (except of course for the framing, the color timing and the contrast, but details stayed intact). I think the IMAX parts will look spectacular in motion. The 35mm parts will probably be more of a mixed bag, maybe ranging from rather unimpressive to awesome from scene to scene.

It should be much better than Batman Begins, which i tried to watch a few days ago and stopped, as the pq was just annoying for these day's standards. From my own experiences with screenshots and what i've seen posted from the TDK BD, i think the TDK 35mm parts will be MUCH better than BB, though i really need to see it in motion first.

The Matrix transfer is a joke imo, even using my former old pj it looked like upconverted DVD. The difference to good HDM is huge, even 'only' using a 720p setup like i do.

sigill · 11-25-2008, 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeRox

The Matrix is an incredibly over rated HDM release IMO. The 5/5 ratings were due to fanboy rivalry (hey, it was HD DVDs ""killer"" title) and the fact that at the time it was an incredibly high profile release for HDM full stop. [and this is coming from an ex HD DVD fanboy

] I hope people aren't giving The Dark Knight the same preferential treatment due to how "important" it is.

I agree. I felt it was a very average transfer but it never blew me away like i thought it could have. I had to convince myself it was good though seeing as i paid £60 for it!!

sigill · 11-25-2008, 06:44 AM

I too thought the TDK prologue on the BB disc looked stunning. After watching that and then starting batman begins straight after i felt the bump in quality. BB looked pretty poor!! I have high expectations for TDK though, fingers crossed!!

Lee Stewart · 11-25-2008, 07:56 AM

Maybe 1920 x 1080 is not equal over the different film elements.

Dare and I had a lengthly conversation. I upheld that the larger the frame of the negative - the better the image will look when compressed down to HD specs. I gave the example of the VistiVision film; The Searchers.

Now we have a reference disc - Baraka that not only uses a 65/70mm negative, but also was scanned at 8K. Kudos abound for this title.

So if the IMAX sequences do look better (detail wise) than the 35mm sequences . . .

There is great promise for the 65mm productions like Ben Hur and Lawrence of Arabia just to name two.

ack_bak · 11-25-2008, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Maybe 1920 x 1080 is not equal over the different film elements.

Dare and I had a lengthly conversation. I upheld that the larger the frame of the negative - the better the image will look when compressed down to HD specs. I gave the example of the VistiVision film; The Searchers.

Now we have a reference disc - Baraka that not only uses a 65/70mm negative, but also was scanned at 8K. Kudos abound for this title.

So if the IMAX sequences do look better (detail wise) than the 35mm sequences . . .

There is great promise for the 65mm productions like Ben Hur and Lawrence of Arabia just to name two.

Apparently you have not read the Baraka BD vs DVD comparison thread at AVS. The same characters that are trashing TDK (and from what I can tell none of them actually own TDK on BD and have watched it) trashed Baraka on Blu-Ray because they claimed there was DNR/EE applied. An actual expert chimed in and stated that it is most likely not DNR/EE but what they are seeing is downconversion effects from 8K to HD.

That thread has been a complete trainwreck and I expect the TDK thread at AVS to be no better.

Lee Stewart · 11-25-2008, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ack_bak

Apparently you have not read the Baraka BD vs DVD comparison thread at AVS. The same characters that are trashing TDK (and from what I can tell none of them actually own TDK on BD and have watched it) trashed Baraka on Blu-Ray because they claimed there was DNR/EE applied. An actual expert chimed in and stated that it is most likely not DNR/EE but what they are seeing is downconversion effects from 8K to HD.

That thread has been a complete trainwreck and I expect the TDK thread at AVS to be no better.

- Knew there was a reason why I stopped going to AVS.

bmore · 11-25-2008, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ack_bak

Apparently you have not read the Baraka BD vs DVD comparison thread at AVS. The same characters that are trashing TDK (and from what I can tell none of them actually own TDK on BD and have watched it) trashed Baraka on Blu-Ray because they claimed there was DNR/EE applied. An actual expert chimed in and stated that it is most likely not DNR/EE but what they are seeing is downconversion effects from 8K to HD.

That thread has been a complete trainwreck and I expect the TDK thread at AVS to be no better.

yes - the whole crew over there seems to think they know how to best do someone else's job. Apparently, every compressionist that does bluray transfer is an idiot that has no idea what they are doing.

I mean, Nolan himself could come into that thread and say that he supervised the ENTIRE bluray transfer and they would tell him how he did something "wrong".

It is beyond ridiculous at this point.

D-X · 11-25-2008, 08:32 AM

MOvie would look shit tons better in a red case.

Oh and Bill Hunt is a douchebag of epic perportions.

11-25-2008, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ack_bak

Apparently you have not read the Baraka BD vs DVD comparison thread at AVS. The same characters that are trashing TDK (and from what I can tell none of them actually own TDK on BD and have watched it) trashed Baraka on Blu-Ray because they claimed there was DNR/EE applied. An actual expert chimed in and stated that it is most likely not DNR/EE but what they are seeing is downconversion effects from 8K to HD.

That thread has been a complete trainwreck and I expect the TDK thread at AVS to be no better.

That's why i only refer to these guys as screenshot scientologists. Their obsession with really minor artefacts has gone way too far. Plus their treatment of people actually working in the business is a detriment to the "Science" forum...

ack_bak · 11-25-2008, 08:37 AM

I can understand some of the frustration. Band Of Brothers on Blu-Ray has light DNR applied. The same title on HD DVD (Japanese Import) does not have DNR applied. IMHO, I think the HD DVD version of the screencaps I have seen look better. But the HD DVD version is $200 and the BD version was $41. I picked up the BD version. I am not sure why Warner/HBO applied slight DNR to BoB on BD. It really did not need it as the show was supposed to have a gritty grainy look to it per the intent of the directors (Hanks and Spielberg). But it is slight. And to cancel your order and trash the encode is just over the top IMHO. The BD is clearly a step up over the DVD and cable/sat broadcasts I have seen. So while I can understand the pickiness and frustrations, I think some people are taking it way to far. I mean where do you go? Back to DVD? Stop watching movies altogether? Perhaps when we have affordable 4K projectors and movie players we will get closer to "perfection", but I cannot imagine watching the DVD version of TDK, BoB, Baraka, etc if I owned a BD player.

ack_bak · 11-25-2008, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikopol

That's why i only refer to these guys as screenshot scientologists. Their obsession with really minor artefacts has gone way too far. Plus their treatment of people actually working in the business is a detriment to the "Science" forum...

+1. I agree. At the same time I do appreciate the warnings concerning Patton, Gangs of New York, etc.

11-25-2008, 05:32 AM	#17
MikeRox Connoisseur of Fine Games Join Date: May 2007 Location: Huddersfield, United Kingdom Posts: 15,756	but it's a crappy low definition audio track! and teh HALOZ! __________________ Currently Playing: Xenoblade Chronicles, Ridge Racer 3D, DIRT 3

11-25-2008, 05:55 AM	#19
Cowboy X High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 948	I'm surprised that no one has yet jumped in to complain about the use of VC-1. __________________ HD A-30 PS3 80gb LG HD DVD/Blu-Ray Combo Drive Denon HT 7.1 speakers Logitech Harmony 880 pro remote Samsung HLT 61A750 Onkyo TX SR 606 donations welcome HD DVD 15 Blu-Ray 50

11-25-2008, 06:44 AM	#22
sigill High Def fan Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: United kingdom-Manchester Age: 33 Posts: 2,976	I too thought the TDK prologue on the BB disc looked stunning. After watching that and then starting batman begins straight after i felt the bump in quality. BB looked pretty poor!! I have high expectations for TDK though, fingers crossed!! __________________ Phillips 37" LCD 720p/1080i Sony BDP-S350 Toshiba BDX2100 Toshiba XDE-500 DVD player Onkyo TX-SR606 7.1 AVR KEF1005.2 speakers Latest HD movies bought - The Game - The Skeleton Key - Memento 210 Blu-rays

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11-25-2008, 05:15 AM	#16
Nikopol Guest Posts: n/a	Bill Hunt: Film Rating: A Video (1-20): 18.5 Audio (1-20): 19 Extras: B- http://www.thedigitalbits.com/review...ightsting.html

11-25-2008, 06:04 AM	#20
Nikopol Guest Posts: n/a	Matrix, you mean this title with no details? The DK preview on the Batman Begins BD looked fantastic and comparing the screenshots of the BB preview and the retail TDK, i can't see much difference between them (except of course for the framing, the color timing and the contrast, but details stayed intact). I think the IMAX parts will look spectacular in motion. The 35mm parts will probably be more of a mixed bag, maybe ranging from rather unimpressive to awesome from scene to scene. It should be much better than Batman Begins, which i tried to watch a few days ago and stopped, as the pq was just annoying for these day's standards. From my own experiences with screenshots and what i've seen posted from the TDK BD, i think the TDK 35mm parts will be MUCH better than BB, though i really need to see it in motion first. The Matrix transfer is a joke imo, even using my former old pj it looked like upconverted DVD. The difference to good HDM is huge, even 'only' using a 720p setup like i do.

11-25-2008, 07:56 AM	#23
Lee Stewart Muscle Cars Forever! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 35,092	Maybe 1920 x 1080 is not equal over the different film elements. Dare and I had a lengthly conversation. I upheld that the larger the frame of the negative - the better the image will look when compressed down to HD specs. I gave the example of the VistiVision film; The Searchers. Now we have a reference disc - Baraka that not only uses a 65/70mm negative, but also was scanned at 8K. Kudos abound for this title. So if the IMAX sequences do look better (detail wise) than the 35mm sequences . . . There is great promise for the 65mm productions like Ben Hur and Lawrence of Arabia just to name two.

11-25-2008, 08:32 AM	#27
D-X Console Neutral Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 325	MOvie would look shit tons better in a red case. Oh and Bill Hunt is a douchebag of epic perportions.

11-25-2008, 08:37 AM	#29
ack_bak Hidef Junkie Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,560	I can understand some of the frustration. Band Of Brothers on Blu-Ray has light DNR applied. The same title on HD DVD (Japanese Import) does not have DNR applied. IMHO, I think the HD DVD version of the screencaps I have seen look better. But the HD DVD version is $200 and the BD version was $41. I picked up the BD version. I am not sure why Warner/HBO applied slight DNR to BoB on BD. It really did not need it as the show was supposed to have a gritty grainy look to it per the intent of the directors (Hanks and Spielberg). But it is slight. And to cancel your order and trash the encode is just over the top IMHO. The BD is clearly a step up over the DVD and cable/sat broadcasts I have seen. So while I can understand the pickiness and frustrations, I think some people are taking it way to far. I mean where do you go? Back to DVD? Stop watching movies altogether? Perhaps when we have affordable 4K projectors and movie players we will get closer to "perfection", but I cannot imagine watching the DVD version of TDK, BoB, Baraka, etc if I owned a BD player.