Warner Home Video Prez: “We think this is a do-or-die time for Blu-ray”

bmore · 11-22-2008, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Louigi222

If you ask me YOUR the one stroking the fires around here. You should really learn to relax and appreciate and tolerate other people's point of view. It's the first sign of a maturing process.

The OP is a KNOWN troll buddy. Open your eyes. People in the know know what he is. Apparently you are not in the know.

Nikopol · 11-22-2008, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Louigi222

Of course I read the article. Did you??? What do you think about the NYT piece??

If you'd read the thread, you'd know the answer to this question.

I'll heed Chris' advice now

bmore · 11-22-2008, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikopol

Apparently you haven't read the op and how it was presented...

The truth is out there, huh?

Yes. Deadmeat told me some things too....

Like an SRT DVD player was coming....

What I find funny is everyone is saying "oh, this was from the NYT's, this is BAD".

Yet the SAME article contains two quotes.

One negative. One positive.

So why is it only the negative comment gets credence? Two equal but opposite comments - in the SAME article - yet only one is "discussed".

I can think of a few reasons why...

Seems everyone is afraid to answer why Kornblau said he was "bullish" - but everyone if quick to offer their opinion on "do or die". Just more two faced behavior. I don't know why I expected anything else.

bmore · 11-22-2008, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Louigi222

Of course I read the article. Did you??? What do you think about the NYT piece??

What do you think about Craig Kornblau's comments? In said NYT piece?

hatt · 11-22-2008, 08:42 AM

Do we know of the exact day that BD will fail if it doesn't sell so and so units? I want to be ahead of this by a couple of days so I can sell the PS3 while the gettin is good and start doing the $5 per 24 hour HDLite download thingy.

Nikopol · 11-22-2008, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bmore

Yes. Deadmeat told me some things too....

Like an SRT DVD player was coming....

What I find funny is everyone is saying "oh, this was from the NYT's, this is BAD".

Yet the SAME article contains two quotes.

One negative. One positive.

So why is it only the negative comment gets credence? Two equal but opposite comments - in the SAME article - yet only one is "discussed".

I can think of a few reasons why...

Seems everyone is afraid to answer why Kornblau said he was "bullish" - but everyone if quick to offer their opinion on "do or die". Just more two faced behavior. I don't know why I expected anything else.

Here's the Kornblau statement:

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Movies that have crossover appeal with video game enthusiasts are also proving resilient. “Hellboy II,” for instance, is beating sales projections by about 10 percent, according to Craig Kornblau, president of Universal Studios Home Entertainment. “The Incredible Hulk,” released by Universal on Oct. 21, also sold well.

“I’m feeling really bullish, and I’m not being naïve,” Mr. Kornblau said.

That is a reasonable statement imo. We are seeing growth, we are seeing that Blu-ray seems to find its market. It's about the way how i feel myself. (And i'll keep riding the ride, instead of booing from the sidelines....

)

To answer your question, bmore, serious journalism should stick to facts and present a balanced view on matters that allow multiple perspectives. Including statements of people, some of which are prudent, other's being bullish, is just a result of someone taking his job ethics somewhat seriously. imo.

It's the job of the bloggers and forum nutjobs to spin that into something they want to see. The funny thing is, when said people suddenly claim to have found the truth, even though it is only their opinion and in many cases not even a well founded opinion.

bmore · 11-22-2008, 08:54 AM

Thanks Niko.

Funny how no one running away with the Sanders comment is running away with the Kornblau comment. I guess it doesn't fit the agenda.

ack_bak · 11-22-2008, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikopol

Why people are sometimes clinging to the words of companies exec's and take them at face value, i don't know. If they say, Blu-ray will replace DVD in three years: everyone calls b.s. (rightly so)

If they say "do-or-die time", suddenly that is a (valid) ultimatum? Give me a break, mein Herr...

Very true. And I bet I can find some bullish quotes from Ron Sanders (WB VP) as well if I look hard enough.

ack_bak · 11-22-2008, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bmore

Thanks Niko.

Funny how no one running away with the Sanders comment is running away with the Kornblau comment. I guess it doesn't fit the agenda.

As I mentioned earlier if you read the entire article and put the Sanders comment into perspective it actually makes sense. DVD sales are dropping (which is what the article is really about). The studios were expecting Blu-Ray (and other mediums) to make up the difference. That is why it is do or die from a studio's perspective. He is not saying that Blu-Ray will go away IMHO. His comment is respect to DVD declining. The studios need Blu-Ray and other mediums to pick up the slack or they will see declines in both revenue and profit. The problem is that with the current economy DVD sales may drop faster than expected and Blu-Ray sales may not grow as fast as expected. Blu-Ray is not going anywhere.

HD Goofnut · 11-22-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ack_bak

As I mentioned earlier if you read the entire article and put the Sanders comment into perspective it actually makes sense. DVD sales are dropping (which is what the article is really about). The studios were expecting Blu-Ray (and other mediums) to make up the difference. That is why it is do or die from a studio's perspective. He is not saying that Blu-Ray will go away IMHO. His comment is respect to DVD declining. The studios need Blu-Ray and other mediums to pick up the slack or they will see declines in both revenue and profit. The problem is that with the current economy DVD sales may drop faster than expected and Blu-Ray sales may not grow as fast as expected. Blu-Ray is not going anywhere.

So the studios will either be SOL or they will find another way to make up the difference in lost revenue. More than likely they'll find a way to make up the difference knowing their tactics.

Louigi222 · 11-22-2008, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bmore

What do you think about Craig Kornblau's comments? In said NYT piece?

Your talking about this excerpt:

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Movies that have crossover appeal with video game enthusiasts are also proving resilient. “Hellboy II,” for instance, is beating sales projections by about 10 percent, according to Craig Kornblau, president of Universal Studios Home Entertainment. “The Incredible Hulk,” released by Universal on Oct. 21, also sold well.

“I’m feeling really bullish, and I’m not being naïve,” Mr. Kornblau said.

My immediate reaction to this response is that Mr Kornblau wishes that ALL BD releases had video games to go with them??? Not very practical is it. Myself...I haven't seen these two films and have no interest in seeing them. I suspect their appeal is mainly directed at adolescence.

Louigi222 · 11-22-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ack_bak

As I mentioned earlier if you read the entire article and put the Sanders comment into perspective it actually makes sense. DVD sales are dropping (which is what the article is really about). The studios were expecting Blu-Ray (and other mediums) to make up the difference. That is why it is do or die from a studio's perspective. He is not saying that Blu-Ray will go away IMHO. His comment is respect to DVD declining. The studios need Blu-Ray and other mediums to pick up the slack or they will see declines in both revenue and profit. The problem is that with the current economy DVD sales may drop faster than expected and Blu-Ray sales may not grow as fast as expected. Blu-Ray is not going anywhere.

This is what he was directly quoted as saying:

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We think this is a do-or-die time for Blu-ray,” said Ron Sanders, president of Warner Home Video. “We must get it established as a favorite holiday item.”

Now you Blu-ray format crusaders can stick your head in the sand and interpret this quote anyway you want but its meaning to me is unmistakable.

**PFC5** · 11-22-2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kamspy

They already were. This thread just picks out one sentence of it for the sole purpose of sensationalism.

Funny how the original thread where this clip comes from only has two posts, this is at 6 pages.

Good ole HDF

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Originally Posted by Nikopol

The way it has been posted and interpreted is the problem, not the quote itself.

So WHICH thread about the same thing, people comment in matters more than what was actually said?

I think what was said was bad myself and is some cause for worry to me. I want BD to thrive, but when the content providers start making public comments like this, I think it is cause for concern. I think ANYONE who wants BD to thrive should also have some concern, but hey, if people do not care about the problems then IF the format ends up struggling who is really to blame? The people who complain or the people who ignore the complaints and act like everything is fine when it isn't?

**kamspy** · 11-22-2008, 02:24 PM

Everything seems fine to me.

Selection is getting larger. Prices are getting lower on players and movies.

Visibility is getting better and better.

A few million selling titles.

It's fine for me. I get a few blu's a week.

**PFC5** · 11-22-2008, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bmore

But, but - he is a valued member here at HDF. PFC5 says he has been here for 1.5 years.

That must mean he is valued, right?

I know I fall for their trap every time - but the intentional spinning and twisting of words is pitiful behavior. And I can't stand seeing their BS go unchallenged - though I know ignoring them would be best. Hard to imagine that all of that anger came from being on the losing side of things.

As I said - there now seems to be a stark anti HDM movement by the select few losers and "supposed" movie lover that somehow no longer care about 1080p/lossless. I guess these people would
be content with reverting back to DVD or the scattered world of DD.

Funny - they were 100% behind HD DVD...

My reply was to someone trying to imply the poster came here as a "new' member and I was pointing out they became members long before him.

If you don't think being a long standing member matters at all I don't know what to say. Sure with hardly any posts it matters less, but regular long standing members DO attain some status here just like at any other forum.

Why does everything have to be turned into WHO posts a direct quote that is negative instead of it being about WHAT was posted? Does it change what was said or something?

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11-22-2008, 08:42 AM	#95
hatt HD Elitist Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: FL Age: 34 Posts: 4,887	Do we know of the exact day that BD will fail if it doesn't sell so and so units? I want to be ahead of this by a couple of days so I can sell the PS3 while the gettin is good and start doing the $5 per 24 hour HDLite download thingy.

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bmore ___ Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,173	Thanks Niko. Funny how no one running away with the Sanders comment is running away with the Kornblau comment. I guess it doesn't fit the agenda.

11-22-2008, 02:24 PM	#104
kamspy Esteban Moderatoro Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati,OH Good Posts: 12 Posts: 12,874	Everything seems fine to me. Selection is getting larger. Prices are getting lower on players and movies. Visibility is getting better and better. A few million selling titles. It's fine for me. I get a few blu's a week.