Warner Home Video Prez: “We think this is a do-or-die time for Blu-ray”

brianh · 11-22-2008, 08:01 AM

So I'm springing traps now huh?

Why is it so hard for some people to believe that blu-ray isn't doing so well?

I was 100% behind hd dvd. NOW I don't want to lose the last optical format there is.

Blu-ray is the best we have now. And Sony is throwing it away.

You guys can stick you're heads in the sand, fine, but it is what it is.

bmore · 11-22-2008, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Regardless of who posted it and how it was posted and why it was posted . . .

Sanders did make that comment. It is a direct quote.

So if their (WB) confidence level is up - why did he say it?

What do you care? I am sure you wouldn't shed a tear if all HDM was lost either. The hate is strong in you too. And you've already went back to DVD...

He said what he said - due to the economy probably (like any other company) and what they perceive as a critical timeframe to get people to buy in. Funny that WB is the only studio that seems to make these comments...the same article had a bullish quote from Kornblau.

Why did Kornblau say what he said? Why wasn't the Kornblau quote created into it's very own thread?

Quote:

“I’m feeling really bullish, and I’m not being naïve,” Mr. Kornblau said.

Care to discuss that quote? I mean, we are all allowed to selectively pull quotes and make dedicated (duplicate) threads right?

Should I make a thread called:
"Kornblau bullish on bluray"

Or do we only focus on negative things here at HDF?

bmore · 11-22-2008, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brianh

So I'm springing traps now huh?

Why is it so hard for some people to believe that blu-ray isn't doing so well?

I was 100% behind hd dvd. NOW I don't want to lose the last optical format there is.

Blu-ray is the best we have now. And Sony is throwing it away.

You guys can stick you're heads in the sand, fine, but it is what it is.

The fact that every post of yours has the word "Sony" in it shows where you stand.

How come I never hear you say Panasonic is throwing bluray away...? After all, they own the most patents.

All I ever see is Sony, Sony, Sony from you.

Do you care to chastise Panasonic any? Or is it all, always, 100% Sony's fault? No one else involved in bluray has any say? The other Hollywood studios are absolved of all blame? Your one sided bias is clear. That is why it is hard to take you serious.

Lee Stewart · 11-22-2008, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmore

What do you care? I am sure you wouldn't shed a tear if all HDM was lost either. The hate is strong in you too. And you've already went back to DVD...

Bmore - you are a Troll - plain and simple. You take every post as an opportunity to try for some kind of a personal attack - just what a Flaming Troll will do.

Nikopol · 11-22-2008, 08:11 AM

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A year ago, the cheapest high-definition players cost about $500, according to David Bishop, president of Sony Pictures Home Entertainment. Retailers like Wal-Mart and Best Buy are now poised to sell machines at $199, with Black Friday promotions bringing the cost as low as $128. Player sales jumped in October compared with the same month a year ago, Mr. Bishop said, even as most other retailing categories had sharp declines.

Hollywood has been counting on Blu-ray to drive its crucial home entertainment business. After years of rapid increases, domestic DVD sales fell 3.2 percent last year to $15.9 billion, according to Adams Media Research. It was the first annual drop in the medium’s history.

DVDs remain a blockbuster business, but any decline is cause for concern because disc sales on a worldwide basis can account for as much as 70 percent of revenue for a new film. Blu-ray discs, which use a Sony technology that includes interactive bells and whistles, typically sell for 25 percent more than standard DVDs.

Underscoring the alarm, the major studios are working to push DVDs in general and Blu-ray in particular. The studios, along with several consumer electronics companies, are spending $25 million on a television and print advertising campaign that highlights coming releases from the Walt Disney Company (“Wall-E”), Sony (“Hancock”) and Warner (“The Dark Knight”).

“We think this is a do-or-die time for Blu-ray,” said Ron Sanders, president of Warner Home Video. “We must get it established as a favorite holiday item.”

Individual studios, meantime, have also been mounting solo assaults. Disney released “Sleeping Beauty” on Blu-ray and standard DVD last month, taking the unusual step of including a free standard DVD in the Blu-ray package to spur interest. Disney is also working with Panasonic on a “Blu-ray demystification” television and online campaign.

Universal Studios Home Entertainment staged a lavish party last week at a Hollywood nightclub to promote the Nov. 11 release of “Hellboy II: The Golden Army” on DVD and Blu-ray. A spokeswoman said it had been years since the studio organized such an expensive DVD event.

.....

If we read the quote in context, they are talking about declining DVD (optical disc) sales, which a major part of the studio's business. Studios have seen this coming and were contemplating what alternatives they have to counter that development. Blu-ray is one part of this counter strategy.

So with declining DVD sales, of course NOW is the time to get the alternatives up and running and to support them. Blu-ray is getting the support and they want to see results, as it would prove their strategy successful.

Why people are sometimes clinging to the words of companies exec's and take them at face value, i don't know. If they say, Blu-ray will replace DVD in three years: everyone calls b.s. (rightly so)

If they say "do-or-die time", suddenly that is a (valid) ultimatum? Give me a break, mein Herr...

bmore · 11-22-2008, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Bmore - you are a Troll - plain and simple. You take every post as an opportunity to try for some kind of a personal attack - just what a Flaming Troll will do.

Sure. So why did Kornblau say what he said?

Just answer the f*cking question - is it that hard? I answered your question about Sanders - now ANSWER mine. Are yo that scared?

Why did Kornblau say he was bullish? WHY?

bmore · 11-22-2008, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikopol

If we read the quote in context, they are talking about declining DVD (optical disc) sales, which a major part of the studio's business. Studios have seen this coming and were contemplating what alternatives they have to counter that development. Blu-ray is one part of this counter strategy.

So with declining DVD sales, of course NOW is the time to get the alternatives up and running and to support them. Blu-ray is getting the support and they want to see results, as it would prove their strategy successful.

Why people are sometimes clinging to the words of companies exec's and take them at face value, i don't know. If they say, Blu-ray will replace DVD in three years: everyone calls b.s. (rightly so)

Lee Stewart is still waiting on that SRT DVD player in 2008...cause Nishida said so....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikopol

If they say "do-or-die time", suddenly that is a (valid) ultimatum? Give me a break, mein Herr...

Niko - reasonable interpretation is not allowed here. mikemorel is a troll.

The likes of Lee Stewart, mikemorel, etc. all have some inherent hatred, and seem to be sooo incredibly bitter that they are incapable of rational analysis. They are blinded by hate.

Maybe you and I can talk - why did Kornblau say he was bullish?

Quite a stark contrast:

-Sanders is do or die

-Kornblau is bullish

Why such opposite ends of the spectrum? Also - ever heard the crying baby gets the milk? Squeakywheel gets the grease? Maybe thats why WB always complains - they want something...

Lee Stewart · 11-22-2008, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmore

Sure. So why did Kornblau say what he said?

Just answer the f*cking question - is it that hard? I answered your question about Sanders - now ANSWER mine. Are yo that scared?

Why did Kornblau say he was bullish? WHY?

Sorry Bmore - I will not answer your question.

Why? Because I didn't like your cheap shot at me answering mine.

You could have answered the question without it - but being Bmore - you didn't.

No such thing as a discussion with you Bmore is there? Just attack and defend.

And it's getting real old.

bmore · 11-22-2008, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Sorry Bmore - I will not answer your question.

Why? Because I didn't like your cheap shot at me answering mine.

You could have answered the question without it - but being Bmore - you didn't.

No such thing as a discussion with you Bmore is there? Just attack and defend.

And it's getting real old.

Cop out.

You will discuss the negative comment - but not the positive comment.

This fits perfectly into your overall agenda.

I hope everyone sees that your cop out on this is indicative of "YOU".

A simple question: Why did Kornblau say he was bullish?

I answered your question about Sanders - so answer mine about Kornblau.

Or just keep going with your two faced behavior ever since 1/4/08.

"Discuss" the negative - ignore the positive. Thats how it goes, right?

Answer the question Lee. Or everyone will see you for what you are.

A simple question: Why did Kornblau say he was "bullish" in the same article Sanders said "do or die"?

Louigi222 · 11-22-2008, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikopol

The way it has been posted and interpreted is the problem, not the quote itself.

Never head anything more ridiculous. Sounds like a case of "shoot the massinger" for some Blu fanatics. The OP layed out several articles for viewers perusal complete with links. I found these article rather interesting as well as disturbing for Blu's future considering the source of the information is the New York Times.

Lee Stewart · 11-22-2008, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmore

Cop out.

You will discuss the negative comment - but not the positive comment.

This fits perfectly into your overall agenda.

I hope everyone sees that your cop out on this is indicative of "YOU".

A simple question: Why did Kornblau say he was bullish?

I answered your question about Sanders - so answer mine about Kornblau.

Or just keep going with your two faced behavior ever since 1/4/08.

"Discuss" the negative - ignore the positive. Thats how it goes, right?

Answer the question Lee. Or everyone will see you for what you are.

A simple question: Why did Kornblau say he was "bullish" in the same article Sanders said "do or die"?

No Bmore - what everyone sees is your constant personal attacks and sarcasms which appear in almost every post you make.

And this one is no different.

bmore · 11-22-2008, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

No Bmore - what everyone sees is your constant personal attacks and sarcasms which appear in almost every post you make.

And this one is no different.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Louigi222

Never head anything more ridiculous. Sounds like a case of "shoot the massinger" for some Blu fanatics. The OP layed out several articles for viewers perusal complete with links. I found these article rather interesting as well as disturbing for Blu's future considering the source of the information is the New York Times.

Either of you - please respond to this comment - WHICH IS FROM THE SAME ARTICLE IN THE NEW YORK TIMES:

Quote:

Movies that have crossover appeal with video game enthusiasts are also proving resilient. “Hellboy II,” for instance, is beating sales projections by about 10 percent, according to Craig Kornblau, president of Universal Studios Home Entertainment. “The Incredible Hulk,” released by Universal on Oct. 21, also sold well.

“I’m feeling really bullish, and I’m not being naïve,” Mr. Kornblau said.

Any thoughts?

Nikopol · 11-22-2008, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Louigi222

Never head anything more ridiculous. Sounds like a case of "shoot the massinger" for some Blu fanatics. The OP layed out several articles for viewers perusal complete with links. I found these article rather interesting as well as disturbing for Blu's future considering the source of the information is the New York Times.

Apparently you haven't read the op and how it was presented...

The truth is out there, huh?

Louigi222 · 11-22-2008, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmore

What PFC doesn't seem to understand is certain people intentionally stoke the fire. He seems to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. And certain people - like mikemorel and Deadmeat - do not deserve such treatment. Based on THEIR OWN behaviour over time.

If you ask me YOUR the one stroking the fires around here. You should really learn to relax and appreciate and tolerate other people's point of view. It's the first sign of a maturing process.

Louigi222 · 11-22-2008, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikopol

Apparently you haven't read the op and how it was presented...

The truth is out there, huh?

Of course I read the article. Did you??? What do you think about the NYT piece??

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11-22-2008, 08:01 AM	#76
brianh High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,023	So I'm springing traps now huh? Why is it so hard for some people to believe that blu-ray isn't doing so well? I was 100% behind hd dvd. NOW I don't want to lose the last optical format there is. Blu-ray is the best we have now. And Sony is throwing it away. You guys can stick you're heads in the sand, fine, but it is what it is.