Cheap Blu-ray Players: A Concern for PS3?

bmore · 11-20-2008, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Correct!

Bmore - have you looked in the mirror recently. I don't think you have. Talk about looking foolsih - sheesh!

LMAO!

Thanks for the laugh Bmore. I can ALWAYS use a good laugh - especially before 9 AM in the morning.

Nice deflections. I will tkae them as you being stumped.

The S350 @ $179.99 isn't enticing at all to you?

I mean, you spent anywhere from $538.88-578.88 for an A2 and an A3 last year (13 free movies).

**PFC5** · 11-20-2008, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by hatt

The movies released on BD are the same general type movies released on HD DVD, now many of the exact movies, the same movies that sell well on BD are the same movies that sell really well on DVD. I see a pattern.

And BobY did NOT buy into HD DVD either for the same content issues he has with BD.

How would buy into a format that didn't have much content that they wanted to watch? He waited to buy into SD DVD until it had enough content to justify it to HIMSELF. Why is that hard to understand by some?

HD Goofnut · 11-20-2008, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by PFC5

And BobY did NOT buy into HD DVD either for the same content issues he has with BD.

How would buy into a format that didn't have much content that they wanted to watch? He waited to buy into SD DVD until it had enough content to justify it to HIMSELF. Why is that hard to understand by some?

I have been scratching my head over this as well. Why is Boby assaulted for his choice of SD DVD over BD? He prefers a lot of older classics and a very large percentage of those have not see the light of day for HDM.

bmore · 11-20-2008, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by PFC5

And BobY did NOT buy into HD DVD either for the same content issues he has with BD.

How would buy into a format that didn't have much content that they wanted to watch? He waited to buy into SD DVD until it had enough content to justify it to HIMSELF. Why is that hard to understand by some?

And then why would you come to a forum that is specifcally set aside to discuss the formats that you have no interest in? That is the issue - always has been.

Question - does birdwatching interest you? No? Would you then frequent a bird watching forum? Thought so.

bmore · 11-20-2008, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I have been scratching my head over this as well. Why is Boby assaulted for his choice of SD DVD over BD? He prefers a lot of older classics and a very large percentage of those have not see the light of day for HDM.

Simple. Because this is a HD forum.

ack_bak · 11-20-2008, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DonnyDC

I dont believe so since as Lee showed us this was the same case with DVD. And in 1999 the PS2 wasnt out.
Average selling DVD title was around 10-15k while the Matrix sold 780k the first week.

Quite frankly this whole assumption that Blu-Ray is a format driven by PS3 owners (ie gamers) who like comic book movies is really getting old. Blu-Ray sales in 2006-2008 have been driven by early adopters that fall into the younger male demographic and many of which do own a PS3. Some of these PS3 owners like myself bought the PS3 almost exclusively to watch BD movies on because it is the best player at the best price. The fact that Joe Kane and Criterion use the PS3 as their BD player of choice tells you something. The fact that the PS3 constantly gets tops marks as a BD player from respective review sites and hardcore hardware enthusiasts at places like AVS tells you something.

As far as movies go, the fact of the matter is that the Top 25 selling movies in 2007 and in 2008 on DVD are driven by action adventure and animated movies. Same with the box office. So are gamers and children driving DVD sales too? Give me a break. It is what the mainstream public wants. They want comic book style movies and animated movies. This is what sells. Blu-Ray sales (and DVD for that matter) are driven by blockbuster day and date releases. That is why you see so many action movies on Blu-Ray because the studios are going after the target demographic of an early adopter. This is what sells right now. As Blu-Ray hardware becomes more mainstream and other demographics start to buy in, you will see other movies sell well on Blu-Ray. I think BoBY, or anyone else, would be hard pressed to show that studios targeted a different demographic when DVD was released. The fact that movies like "The Matrix" and "Air Force One" dominated sales early on tells you something. The studios are following the same game plan and they are simply giving the public what they want. The public wants action movies. The public loves comic book movies. Over time the Blu-Ray catalog will become more diversified as smaller studios come on board and studios open up their vaults. Over time the PS3 will have much less impact on Blu-Ray.

HD Goofnut · 11-20-2008, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bmore

Simple. Because this is a HD forum.

Right, and I understand that concept, but this cannot be a black and white situation. We don't pay for this forum and the server is located in America. Those two reasons right there serve as a reminder as to why Boby can choose any product or say whatever he wants (within forum rules). He has the right to express his opinion and if you disagree with him that's fine, but there is certainly no need to constantly try and assault him for his choice in movie formats. After all it's just a movie format; it's not like we are talking about whether to buy a Taurus or a Smith & Wesson.

bmore · 11-20-2008, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Right, and I understand that concept, but this cannot be a black and white situation. We don't pay for this forum and the server is located in America. Those two reasons right there serve as a reminder as to why Boby can choose any product or say whatever he wants (within forum rules). He has the right to express his opinion and if you disagree with him that's fine, but there is certainly no need to constantly try and assault him for his choice in movie formats. After all it's just a movie format; it's not like we are talking about whether to buy a Taurus or a Smith & Wesson.

I am not sponsoring censorship here.

I am merely stating that I find it incredibly odd for someone that has no interest in HDM to come to a HDM forum daily to comment on things that do not interest him.

I mean, neither HD DVD or bluray did enough for him - yet here he is - in a forum dominated by those two formats.

I just find it odd. And the only thing I can surmise is it gives him an anti Sony platform. Because that is usually the undertone that his posts have.

Why else would someone not interested in HDM come to an HDM forum on a near daily basis? Do you know? I don't.

Lee Stewart · 11-20-2008, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by bmore

Nice deflections. I will tkae them as you being stumped.

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The S350 @ $179.99 isn't enticing at all to you?

Nope

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I mean, you spent anywhere from $538.88-578.88 for an A2 and an A3 last year (13 free movies).

Wrong again!

I . . . repeat . . . I spent $325 for my A2. My mother bought my son the A3 as a holiday gift ($149).

And here is a clue for you Bmore . . .

If I have done something in the past - it does not mean I will do it again in the future - especially when it comes to CE products.

Now I KNOW how hard that is for you to grasp - I mean when BobY says it - you ignore it - and when I say it - you ignore it.

And for the last time Bmore . . . .

There is NO REQUIREMENT to own ANYTHING here at HDF. Just a desire to discuss things.

But I know - you will ignore that also.

HD Goofnut · 11-20-2008, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bmore

I am not sponsoring censorship here.

I am merely stating that I find it incredibly odd for someone that has no interest in HDM to come to a HDM forum daily to comment on things that do not interest him.

I mean, neither HD DVD or bluray did enough for him - yet here he is - in a forum dominated by those two formats.

I just find it odd. And the only thing I can surmise is it gives him an anti Sony platform. Because that is usually the undertone that his posts have.

Why else would someone not interested in HDM come to an HDM forum on a near daily basis? Do you know? I don't.

I can answer that. I am fascinated by A/V Technology in general and always have been and so I spend a lof ot time reading various sites/forums. BobY is the same boat except that he doesn't want to spend near as much money as early adopters/enthusiasts. So he is using his experience working in this A/V field and just throwing his feelings out there as a means of conversation, entertainment, or what have you. It's as simple as that bmore. I really think you are overanalyzing and trying to make him see it from your point of view, but you can't MAKE people feel or think a certain way. Just read his post, agree or disagree with it, and move on. His personal choices in hardware, software, or whatever should not affect you.

bmore · 11-20-2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Wrong again!

I . . . repeat . . . I spent $325 for my A2. My mother bought my son the A3 as a holiday gift ($149).

Is that so? I have a very special link that will nail you. If I post it you will probably report me for breaking the rules about discussing stuff at other forums. But trust me, in your OWN words, you paid $379.88 and $159/$199 for two players. The second one depending on a refund for an Amazon price adjustment.

Add up those values and see if they don't come to the numbers I intially cited. Nuff said.

Lee Stewart · 11-20-2008, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bmore

Is that so? I have a very special link that will nail you. If I post it you will probably report me for breaking the rules about discussing stuff at other forums. But trust me, in your OWN words, you paid $379.88 and $159/$199 for two players. The second one depending on a refund for an Amazon price adjustment.

Add up those values and see if they don't come to the numbers I intially cited. Nuff said.

Send it to me via PM

vikingfan · 11-20-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BobY

The analysis is pretty easy. Which do you prefer to believe, that 2.5 Million SAL owners typically buy 20,000-30,000 copies of most titles then suddenly buy 1-2 Million of "Iron Man" or "TDK", or that SAL owners buy 500,000 copies and PS3 owners kick in another 500,000-1,000,000?

Let's see, dvd owners typically buy 500k-1m of a new title. (The week its released, E.F.L.)

With Ironman they bought 5mil.

Now did the PS3 owners who didn't want to spend the extra on dvd contribute to this huge rise in sales, or could it just be again, that a B.O. blockbuster "suddenly" caused people that own dvd players to buy a lot more than the quantity they normally do?

Lee Stewart · 11-20-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by vikingfan

Let's see, dvd owners typically buy 500k-1m of a new title.

With Ironman they bought 5mil.

Now did the PS3 owners who didn't want to spend the extra on dvd contribute to this huge rise in sales, or could it just be again, that a B.O. blockbuster "suddenly" caused people that own dvd players to buy a lot more than the quantity they normally do?

7,682,961

http://www.the-numbers.com/dvd/chart...y/thisweek.php

**PFC5** · 11-20-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bmore

And then why would you come to a forum that is specifcally set aside to discuss the formats that you have no interest in? That is the issue - always has been.

Question - does birdwatching interest you? No? Would you then frequent a bird watching forum? Thought so.

Did it ever occur to you that he is doing what he said he is doing here? You know, take what he says at face value.

He is not CURRENTLY interested in HDM because it doesn't provide the content he is interested in , but will follow it and voice his displeasure that he cannot buy HDM content he is interested in. I am not content with the HDM content either, but like more of the movies on HDM than he does. Should I leave also? Does it scare some people like yourself that people have issues with HDM content still and want things to improve?

If I wanted to someday have the hobby of bird watching I WOULD go to a bird watching forum to find out what I could to see if that is what i wanted as a hobby someday. BobY bought into SD DVD AFTER it had enough content to satisfy him, and i think he is saying that he may with BD IF they start releasing content HE wants to watch on it. That is content HE wants to watch not what YOU or I want to watch BTW, and ONLY HE can judge when that point is reached not you or I.

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