Cheap Blu-ray Players: A Concern for PS3?

BobY · 11-19-2008, 10:49 PM

What arguments? What PS3 issues? My issue is with BD relying on PS3's to sell movies in any significant volume.

PS3 can do whatever it wants--doesn't bother me. In the US, VGCHARTZ currently has it in distant third place compared to Wii and XBOX360 and losing ground against both of them.

vikingfan · 11-19-2008, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BobY

My issue is with BD relying on PS3's to sell movies in any significant volume.

So you have access to BD sales data that shows the breakdown of units sold to PS3 owners, compared to those that own stand alone BD players. Or is this just more "conjecture"?

Bravestime · 11-19-2008, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BobY

What arguments? What PS3 issues? My issue is with BD relying on PS3's to sell movies in any significant volume.

PS3 can do whatever it wants--doesn't bother me. In the US, VGCHARTZ currently has it in distant third place compared to Wii and XBOX360 and losing ground against both of them.

What makes you say BD is relying on PS3 for movie sales? From what I'm seeing, BD is pushing SAL BD players. In time I see SALs outnumbering PS3s for move sales.

hatt · 11-19-2008, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BobY

What arguments? What PS3 issues? My issue is with BD relying on PS3's to sell movies in any significant volume.

PS3 can do whatever it wants--doesn't bother me. In the US, VGCHARTZ currently has it in distant third place compared to Wii and XBOX360 and losing ground against both of them.

BobY, your anti Sonyness comes out in almost every post. What does the 360 or Wii have to do with BD? Nothing, so why bring it up, along with your love affair with the Wii.

vikingfan · 11-19-2008, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by hatt

BobY, your anti Sonyness comes out in almost every post.

It actually oozes out, I've seen it!

**PFC5** · 11-19-2008, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bravestime

What makes you say BD is relying on PS3 for movie sales? From what I'm seeing, BD is pushing SAL BD players. In time I see SALs outnumbering PS3s for move sales.

I agree that the emphasis has been shifting to the SAL BD players lately with the big price drops, but until this happened 6 of 7 BD players WERE PS3s.

I think we can all agree that the PS3 was a huge part of BD winning the war against HD DVD, so it is easy for me to see that until now, the PS3 WAS heavily relied upon for progressing the BD format. I also believe most agree that the PS3 was not used even at 50% of use as a BD player on average and a much higher percentage of the BD buying crowd were doing it for SAL players to watch BD movies.

I also believe that is on the verge of shifting now to let the SAL BD players handle more of the load with these price reductions we are seeing. Lets hope so.

**PFC5** · 11-19-2008, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by hatt

BobY, your anti Sonyness comes out in almost every post. What does the 360 or Wii have to do with BD? Nothing, so why bring it up, along with your love affair with the Wii.

He said why he mentioned owning the wii earlier. It was to show that he was not anti gaming in general, but rather he wanted BD movies that were not released based upon the gaming demographics, so the selection is more diverse.

hatt · 11-19-2008, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PFC5

He said why he mentioned owning the wii earlier. It was to show that he was not anti gaming in general, but rather he wanted BD movies that were not released based upon the gaming demographics, so the selection is more diverse.

The movies released on BD are the same general type movies released on HD DVD, now many of the exact movies, the same movies that sell well on BD are the same movies that sell really well on DVD. I see a pattern.

Bravestime · 11-19-2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by PFC5

I agree that the emphasis has been shifting to the SAL BD players lately with the big price drops, but until this happened 6 of 7 BD players WERE PS3s.

I think we can all agree that the PS3 was a huge part of BD winning the war against HD DVD, so it is easy for me to see that until now, the PS3 WAS heavily relied upon for progressing the BD format. I also believe most agree that the PS3 was not used even at 50% of use as a BD player on average and a much higher percentage of the BD buying crowd were doing it for SAL players to watch BD movies.

I also believe that is on the verge of shifting now to let the SAL BD players handle more of the load with these price reductions we are seeing. Lets hope so.

I agree with your post. BDA it rely on the PS3 when Blu-ray entered the market and BDA defended it's format against HD-DVD. PS3 was very important factor in BDA's success against HD-DVD.

However, I do not agree with Boby's statement that BD IS relying on PS3 for movie sales volume. If that is true, why reduce SAL player prices? Why did Sony not reduce the PS3 price? It's obvious to me that BD is pushing SALs as their BD movie source, and NOT the PS3.

Another fact is it doesn't matter what the movies are played on. PS3 functions great as a BD player, so why not use it as such. It is a game console and BD player. This unit probably fits the bill for many consumers that are interested in both aspects. Personally, it's not for me and I have been very satisfied with my S300 and now S550.

BobY · 11-20-2008, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by vikingfan

So you have access to BD sales data that shows the breakdown of units sold to PS3 owners, compared to those that own stand alone BD players. Or is this just more "conjecture"?

No, all you have to do is look at the average sales rate of a BD titles versus the few that have sold tremendously more.

It is massively unlikely that with the vast majority of BD films selling less than 100,000 units, that those selling significantly more are selling to only those same people. The studios are the ones who claim to have data indicating that an owner of a standalone BD player buys more BD films on average than a PS3 owner and that makes perfect sense.

So where do the extra sales come from? I'd say pretty obviously from PS3 owners. It's possible most SAL owners don't buy many films and for some reason a few films just sell to dramatically more SAL owners, but it's far more likely that the average sell rate to SAL owners is fairly consistent and the dramatic increases come from a larger group of PS3 owners than what is typical.

BobY · 11-20-2008, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bravestime

What makes you say BD is relying on PS3 for movie sales? From what I'm seeing, BD is pushing SAL BD players. In time I see SALs outnumbering PS3s for move sales.

With around 2.5 Million BD SALs and 6.5 Million PS3's, I think it's highly unlikely the few big hits on BD like "Iron Man" are selling mostly to SAL owners. The average sell rate probably represents the SAL owners and the big hits probably represent increased interest from SAL owners and a chunk of PS3 owners--especially when you look at what films are hits.

SALs should start to outnumber PS3's (as far as BD disc sales) now that SALs are significantly cheaper than the PS3, but it hasn't happened yet.

vikingfan · 11-20-2008, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BobY

No, all you have to do is look at the average sales rate of a BD titles versus the few that have sold tremendously more.

It is massively unlikely that with the vast majority of BD films selling less than 100,000 units, that those selling significantly more are selling to only those same people. The studios are the ones who claim to have data indicating that an owner of a standalone BD player buys more BD films on average than a PS3 owner and that makes perfect sense.

So where do the extra sales come from? I'd say pretty obviously from PS3 owners. It's possible most SAL owners don't buy many films and for some reason a few films just sell to dramatically more SAL owners, but it's far more likely that the average sell rate to SAL owners is fairly consistent and the dramatic increases come from a larger group of PS3 owners than what is typical.

So its just "conjecture". Thought maybe you were "in the loop". When you've got some hard data I'll take a look.

BobY · 11-20-2008, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by hatt

BobY, your anti Sonyness comes out in almost every post. What does the 360 or Wii have to do with BD? Nothing, so why bring it up, along with your love affair with the Wii.

LOL.

As you know, I own and have owned a fair amount of Sony equipment over the years.

I don't even own a Wii (yet).

I brought up the sales of the Wii and Xbox to show you that there are far more people who apparently don't share your view of the PS3 than who do. You brought up the PS3 before I did. This thread is about the PS3.

BobY · 11-20-2008, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by hatt

The movies released on BD are the same general type movies released on HD DVD, now many of the exact movies, the same movies that sell well on BD are the same movies that sell really well on DVD. I see a pattern.

Great. Now extend the pattern to include all the titles on DVD that weren't/aren't available on HD DVD/BD and you'll see why I didn't buy either.

Man, why is this so hard to understand? Why would anyone who is interested in movies buy a format which doesn't offer the movies they want?

DonnyDC · 11-20-2008, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BobY

With around 2.5 Million BD SALs and 6.5 Million PS3's, I think it's highly unlikely the few big hits on BD like "Iron Man" are selling mostly to SAL owners. The average sell rate probably represents the SAL owners and the big hits probably represent increased interest from SAL owners and a chunk of PS3 owners--especially when you look at what films are hits.

I dont believe so since as Lee showed us this was the same case with DVD. And in 1999 the PS2 wasnt out.
Average selling DVD title was around 10-15k while the Matrix sold 780k the first week.

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11-19-2008, 10:49 PM	#16
BobY What's all this, then?... Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,197	What arguments? What PS3 issues? My issue is with BD relying on PS3's to sell movies in any significant volume. PS3 can do whatever it wants--doesn't bother me. In the US, VGCHARTZ currently has it in distant third place compared to Wii and XBOX360 and losing ground against both of them.