High Definition TV Owners Ready For 3-D TV

DonnyDC · 11-19-2008, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Donny:

There is NO current SYSTEM . . . repeat . . . SYSTEM . . . that allows people to see immersive 3D without glasses.

Did I say there was?

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Yes - Phillips has shown a glassesless 3D HDTV. So what are the reviews of this device? As compared to the LCD shutter glasses 3D system?

Why are you asking me?

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And speaking of glasses . . .

What is the title of this thread again?

High Definition TV Owners Ready For 3-D TV

Sweet Im ready for 3D TV aswell. Without the glasses.

Lee Stewart · 11-19-2008, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DonnyDC

Did I say there was?

Why are you asking me?

Sweet Im ready for 3D TV aswell. Without the glasses.

So have you seen the Phillips 3D HDTV that doesn't require glasses?

What if you found out that it doesn't look anywheres near as good as 3D with glasses?

Still no glasses for you ?

DonnyDC · 11-19-2008, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

So have you seen the Phillips 3D HDTV that doesn't require glasses?

What if you found out that it doesn't look anywheres near as good as 3D with glasses?

Still no glasses for you ?

3D vs. 3D?

I wouldnt consider either until they came out with a mainstream solution.

BobY · 11-19-2008, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

What is the title of this thread again?

High Definition TV Owners Ready For 3-D TV

Yes, but my point was obviously they surveyed a very small segment of the HDTV market if the expressed preferred method of getting 3D was Blu-Ray. If you count every PS3 as a Blu-Ray player (and we all know only a fraction of PS3's are being used for BD movies on a regular basis based on disc sales), then there are around 8.5 Million BD players in use.

A lot of people, including NPD, say there are 40 Million US households with HDTV's. How could BD be the preferred method of 3D for HDTV owners when nearly 5 times as many HDTV owners don't have BD as compared to those who do?

I still see it as a gimmick and most consumers won't be bothered to wear glasses with cables hooked to a special 3DHDTV or a special 3DBD player, especially those who already wear glasses. Few movies were filmed in 3D, most 3D films were filmed in anaglyph 3D and I doubt the approach of digitally synthesizing a 3D image from a 2D film master will be anywhere near as successful as actual 3D filming.

Lee Stewart · 11-20-2008, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BobY

Yes, but my point was obviously they surveyed a very small segment of the HDTV market if the expressed preferred method of getting 3D was Blu-Ray. If you count every PS3 as a Blu-Ray player (and we all know only a fraction of PS3's are being used for BD movies on a regular basis based on disc sales), then there are around 8.5 Million BD players in use.

A lot of people, including NPD, say there are 40 Million US households with HDTV's. How could BD be the preferred method of 3D for HDTV owners when nearly 5 times as many HDTV owners don't have BD as compared to those who do?

I still see it as a gimmick and most consumers won't be bothered to wear glasses with cables hooked to a special 3DHDTV or a special 3DBD player, especially those who already wear glasses. Few movies were filmed in 3D, most 3D films were filmed in anaglyph 3D and I doubt the approach of digitally synthesizing a 3D image from a 2D film master will be anywhere near as successful as actual 3D filming.

Yes - the sample was small.

3D movies today are not filmed in the old anaglyph method. They are only presented that way on optical disc because there is no newer 3D system out yet.

As far as turning 2D movies into 3D and the number of 3D films?

Just go over to the At The Movies Forum - some threads I posted there might interest you.

Lee Stewart · 11-20-2008, 07:15 AM

Katzenberg: 3-D vision goes beyond animation

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DWA chief gives keynote at Singapore festival
By Janine Stein

Nov 19, 2008, 02:29 PM ET
SINGAPORE -- It's a 3-D world, and Jeffrey Katzenberg thinks it's time to reflect that on the big screen -- and not just in animated films.

"In five to seven years, all films, regardless of budgets or type, will be made in 3-D," the DreamWorks Animation boss said here Wednesday during his keynote at the inaugural 3DX Film and Entertainment Technology Festival.

"3-D is how we see, how we take things in. It's natural," Katzenberg said. "This is not a gimmick, it's an opportunity to immerse the audience, to heighten the experience."

He added that the migration to 3-D will happen on all screens, including mobile phones and laptops.

Katzenberg was joined by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures Group president Mark Zoradi and others in stressing the industry's commitment to 3-D as the future of film.

Moviegoers' early response is clear, Zoradi said, citing the success of such 3-D titles as "Chicken Little" and "Hannah Montana and Miley Cyrus: Best of Both Worlds Concert."

"Consumers clearly prefer 3-D if they have a choice," he said, adding that 3-D films could bring in two to three times the business of a 2-D release.

Zoradi touted his studio's new five-picture deal with Imax, which will kick off with Robert Zemeckis' "A Christmas Carol" in November 2009, adding that the slate could involve projects from Tim Burton and Jerry Bruckheimer, though no details were disclosed.

Producer John Landau, now working with James Cameron on "Avatar," said that 3-D would "do for cinema what stereo did for the audio industry."

All the film industry has to do is "demystify" 3-D for consumers, whose perception of 3-D may be of "gimmicks on B films" and "theme parks that forced things off the screen," Landau said.

Zoradi's presentation Wednesday included the first public screening of 3-D footage from "Beauty and the Beast" (originally released in 1991), which Disney is re-rendering for a 2010 release, as well as Disney's "Tron 2," set for 2011 or 2012.

The addition of "Beauty and the Beast" brings Disney's number of digital 3-D releases for 2009-10 to 11, with another six to come in 2011. This would give Disney more than 50% of all 3-D releases during the next three years; 11 of those would be animated.

"The biggest barrier (to 3-D) is not product, it's the installed base of digital cinemas," Zoradi said.

Katzenberg predicted that 35%-40% of admissions for March DWA release "Monsters vs Aliens" will be for 3-D. For a film coming out 15 months later, he envisions 80%-85% of admissions for the company's next "Shrek" installment to be for 3-D.

Stressing the technical advances that made the latest incarnation of 3-D different from past efforts, Katzenberg said 3-D "will bring people back to the movies who have stopped going."

"This is not my father's 3-D," he said. "There's no ghosting, no eye strain and best of all, you don't throw up. Throwing up is not good for anyone's business."

All agreed that 3-D's ability to immerse audiences in the film is the key.

"There is nothing more immersive than 3-D," Landau said. "On 'Titanic,' our goal was to use visual effects to make people feel part of the film. With 'Avatar,' we're using technology to transport people to another world."

Katzenberg said that theatrical digital 3-D represents a "unique opportunity for cinemas" to create an experience that consumers could not get at home, "and it will be many years before they can."

Among the reasons cited was the fact that light diminishes the quality of the image.

"The only place in the home to replicate this is in the coat closet ... and I would not want to spend two hours there watching a movie," he said.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/...98997ac01ba47d

DonnyDC · 11-20-2008, 02:46 PM

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He added that the migration to 3-D will happen on all screens, including mobile phones and laptops

I think its safe to assume that Mr. Katzenberg also sees a glassless future for 3D.

"Hey check out this movie on my mobile phone, wait put on these glasses first, just let me grab it out of my manpurse"

Lee Stewart · 11-20-2008, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DonnyDC

I think its safe to assume that Mr. Katzenberg also sees a glassless future for 3D.

"Hey check out this movie on my mobile phone, wait put on these glasses first, just let me grab it out of my manpurse"

Guess it's a moot point:

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Katzenberg said that theatrical digital 3-D represents a "unique opportunity for cinemas" to create an experience that consumers could not get at home, "and it will be many years before they can."

DonnyDC · 11-20-2008, 03:17 PM

Yeah and it'll probably be even longer before even half of cinemas are set up for 3D.

Lee Stewart · 11-20-2008, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DonnyDC

Yeah and it'll probably be even longer before even half of cinemas are set up for 3D.

Half of screens to be digital by 2013; 3-D driving switchover

http://www.dcinematoday.com/dc/extURLs.aspx?id=306

DonnyDC · 11-20-2008, 03:37 PM

Thats awhile. I wonder how far 3DTV will have progressed by then.

Lee Stewart · 11-20-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DonnyDC

Thats awhile. I wonder how far 3DTV will have progressed by then.

Keep in mind that the 2013 time frame is world wide.

DC is expanding much faster in the USA:

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Penetration is deepest in the U.S., home to 78% of the world�s digital screens. The U.K. and South Korea boast the second and third most digital screens.

Dare · 11-20-2008, 03:58 PM

3D never even took off for gamers. LCD Shutterglasses have been available for home use for about a decade and a half now, and they are deader than squat. Nobody uses them. The pioneers were not turned on.

Of course, it doesn't help that shutterglasses don't work on most LCD monitors, but you can get anaglyph drivers for every 3D card, and nobody has been beating down that door either.

Stereo photography has been around for almost 170 years, and 3D cinema for almost 120 years. When is that dead horse going to get up?

Lee Stewart · 11-20-2008, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dare

3D never even took off for gamers. LCD Shutterglasses have been available for home use for about a decade and a half now, and they are deader than squat. Nobody uses them. The pioneers were not turned on.

As you know - the system they are using currently in DC - the single projector 3D (Dolby + RealD) has never been available to the public.

There are no standards yet for home video. In the past - everyone "did their own thing" using methods that weren't much better than "garage tech."

Now - these standards are being worked on. SMPTE is working on the encode/decode standards while the DVD Forum and the BDA are working on delivery standards. The display standards have not been set either. We think it will require 120HZ - but that is not a standard.

So we wait as consumers and it will take years. It is not "right around the corner" (1 year). More like 2 or 3 years+.

Because when it comes to 3D Cinema - only until recently was this successful in the form of IMAX 3D running twin projectors.

And the 3D you see in an IMAX theater, can now be seen in a Digital Cinema theater, all of which beats the crap out of anything available today or previously to the consumer. . . and they intend to duplicate this experience in the home.

jjufon · 11-20-2008, 11:09 PM

and the colors look like Sh!t in 3D

11-20-2008, 03:58 PM	#43
Dare I moon you. Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 4,431	3D never even took off for gamers. LCD Shutterglasses have been available for home use for about a decade and a half now, and they are deader than squat. Nobody uses them. The pioneers were not turned on. Of course, it doesn't help that shutterglasses don't work on most LCD monitors, but you can get anaglyph drivers for every 3D card, and nobody has been beating down that door either. Stereo photography has been around for almost 170 years, and 3D cinema for almost 120 years. When is that dead horse going to get up? __________________ LG GGC-H20L Super Multi Blue Blu-ray & HD DVD ROM Drive 58 31 Last edited by Dare; 11-20-2008 at 04:02 PM.

11-20-2008, 11:09 PM	#45
jjufon CMMS Junkie Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Frisco Tx Posts: 965	and the colors look like Sh!t in 3D __________________ JJufon

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11-20-2008, 03:17 PM	#39
DonnyDC High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,174	Yeah and it'll probably be even longer before even half of cinemas are set up for 3D.

11-20-2008, 03:37 PM	#41
DonnyDC High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,174	Thats awhile. I wonder how far 3DTV will have progressed by then.