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Old 11-17-2008, 08:11 PM   #31
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PCM. The PS3 cannot bitstream lossess codecs. It decodes them internally and sends them out via PCM to your receiver over HDMI. I have tested bitstreaming the lossless codecs on my Samsung 1500 vs decoding internally on the PS3 and, after level matching, there is no difference in bitstreaming vs decoding internally and sending out PCM. At least on my gear and with my ears
I can't post links here to another forum but I have read about multiple others having issues with the 605 and multi-channel PCM input. It doesn't sound near as good on that receiver as the bit-streamed HD codecs do. They said on the Onkyo 605 the lossy DTS core sounded better then loss-less over bit stream. The same user switched brands of receivers and then PCM and bitstream sounded the same.

Also the 605 can't matrix 5.1 PCM signals to 7.1 for 7.1 speaker setups.
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Old 11-17-2008, 09:27 PM   #32
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It is awesome when it all comes together.

I just want to make sure and point something out though. You asked if the signal will simply pass through the receiver to the speakers. Yes. The PCM signal will go from the A2 and PS3 to the 606. The 606 will then send out the audio to the speakers. But the 606 will not decode anything itself. The players do all the decoding, even regular DTS/DD on DVD's.

IIRC, it used to be on the PS3, you could pick to do LPCM for the Lossless audio and have the Lossy audio bitstreamed. But no more. EVERYTHING gets decoded by the PS3 and sent as PCM.
So the only point of the receiver is ports for the speakers and extra HDMI ports?
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So the only point of the receiver is ports for the speakers and extra HDMI ports?
Yeah.

I'd go for the 605 for that price difference. No doubt.
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Old 11-17-2008, 10:29 PM   #34
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I'd go for the 605 for that price difference. No doubt.
Yeah, but I am going to need all 4 of the HDMI inputs as it is so I will stick with the 606 I think.
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Yeah, but I am going to need all 4 of the HDMI inputs as it is so I will stick with the 606 I think.
For what?

Cable looks just as good over component.

Less HDMI the better IMO.

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When it comes down to it, you can get a HDMI splitter at monoprice for a sixth of the cost difference in the 605 vs 606.
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I can't post links here to another forum but I have read about multiple others having issues with the 605 and multi-channel PCM input. It doesn't sound near as good on that receiver as the bit-streamed HD codecs do. They said on the Onkyo 605 the lossy DTS core sounded better then loss-less over bit stream. The same user switched brands of receivers and then PCM and bitstream sounded the same.

Also the 605 can't matrix 5.1 PCM signals to 7.1 for 7.1 speaker setups.
I have both a PS3 and a Samsung 1500 BD player that bitstreams the lossless codecs. I have no idea about the multi-channel PCM issues you are referencing, and the Samsung and the PS3 sound identical to me when comparing bitstreaming of lossless vs PCM on the PS3. Bitstreaming tends to be a little louder than PCM. And yes, the 605 can't matrix 7.1 PCM, so if you have a 7.1 setup you should consider a different receiver (although it plays 7.1 BD tracks just fine). My room does not work right for 7.1 so I have 5.1.

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I can't post links here to another forum but I have read about multiple others having issues with the 605 and multi-channel PCM input. It doesn't sound near as good on that receiver as the bit-streamed HD codecs do. They said on the Onkyo 605 the lossy DTS core sounded better then loss-less over bit stream. The same user switched brands of receivers and then PCM and bitstream sounded the same.

Also the 605 can't matrix 5.1 PCM signals to 7.1 for 7.1 speaker setups.
I have been using the 605 for almost a year now. It has worked great. No problems whatsoever.

And you only need to matrix 7.1 sound...if you have a 7.1 setup. Which I don't. So for the money, I get all the lossless support I need, and it matches my 5.1 speaker setup nicely.

No complaints whatsoever. The only difference (if any) between bitstream vs. PCM would be level matching. Which calls for a mere crank of the volume button.
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There was ONE DTS-HD MA title on HD DVD so it wasn't really an issue with HD DVD, but half the BD studios now use DTS-HD MA. See the difference?
There are plenty of DTS-HD MA titles on HD DVD once you look at the European releases
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There are plenty of DTS-HD MA titles on HD DVD once you look at the European releases
ain't that the truth... And these movies have probably sold a few hundred copies each!
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I have both a PS3 and a Samsung 1500 BD player that bitstreams the lossless codecs. I have no idea about the multi-channel PCM issues you are referencing, and the Samsung and the PS3 sound identical to me when comparing bitstreaming of lossless vs PCM on the PS3. Bitstreaming tends to be a little louder than PCM. And yes, the 605 can't matrix 7.1 PCM, so if you have a 7.1 setup you should consider a different receiver (although it plays 7.1 BD tracks just fine). My room does not work right for 7.1 so I have 5.1.
Have you tried pausing a PS3 movie that is sent over LPCM to the 605 and then crank the volume all the way up on the receiver. Do you hear Buzzing or Hum?

It appears that Onkyo has made a manufacturing change even on the new 606 to get around a Buzz & Hum issue on HDMI inputs. These are issues that were not ground loop casued. Here is a response from Onkyo on a PS3 forum:
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Have you tried pausing a PS3 movie that is sent over LPCM to the 605 and then crank the volume all the way up on the receiver. Do you hear Buzzing or Hum?

It appears that Onkyo has made a manufacturing change even on the new 606 to get around a Buzz & Hum issue on HDMI inputs. These are issues that were not ground loop casued. Here is a response from Onkyo on a PS3 forum:
The buzz and hum issues were first noted on AVS before I bought the 605. I checked it very closely with my PS3 and HD-A2 and do not have a buzz or humming noise. If you read the thread at AVS not everyone was affected by this issue.
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