Toshiba's XDE DVD players won't hurt Blu-ray Disc

Lee Stewart · 09-01-2008, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hatt

Do you understand that Oppo has other players for less than half the price of the 983? And that the 983 is their flagship product? And that common name brand BD players will be under $300 when the Oppo is launched? If they added BD capability to a 983 type product it would be more expensive than $500 but I don't see them coming out of the gate with such a thing. Look for a 980H type product with BD capability at a price of around $400 or less. Sorry about the bad news for you.

Better buy a new crystal ball Hatt - yours is broken!

Chris Gerhard · 09-01-2008, 08:42 PM

I purchased an Oppo DVD/SACD/DVD-A player, the DV-970HD for about $125 delivered refurbished. My second Oppo player, another DVD/SACD/DVD-A player, the Oppo DV-980H, came with an MSRP of $170. A Blu-ray player based on the DV-980H if Oppo decides on a truly universal player, Blu-ray/SACD/DVD-A/DVD, should be possible between $349 to $449 MSRP. If Oppo decides on a universal player based on the DV-983H, I would expect the MSRP to be between $449 and $549. If Oppo decides on a straight Blu-ray/DVD player, I would expect an MSRP of $299, give or take $50. Oppo might come in a little lower depending on the timing, if the wait is longer than I expect, meaning further reductions in the costs I would expect my estimates to be high. Winbase Electronics, a high quality manufacturer in China is the likely source of the player. I see nothing else for Oppo to do but move to Blu-ray and I expect the product to be very good.

As usual, Lee Stewart knows little or nothing of what he speaks.

Chris

**kamspy** · 09-01-2008, 08:47 PM

Given the rash of XDE marketing, I see XDE as the downfall of BD.

You can't go anywhere without hearing about XDE. I was at the bar the other night and a brawl broke out between the BD crowd and the XDE crowd. The bar keep had to break out the shotgun to clear the mess.

McDonalds has XDE ads plastered on all their cups, Kings Island has a special XDE rollercoaster now that upscales and sharpens the average rollercoaster experience. The endcaps at Wal-Mart are huge. They had a 65" Kuro playing The Maltese Falcon on an XDE player, the rabid crowd around it all agreed that it looked like 4k resolution.

It's everywhere. BD is doomed. Even my 2 years old's diapers now have XDE logos where Dora use to be.

Spoiler:

ack_bak · 09-02-2008, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

So their newest UP DVD player is $399 . . .

But you are POSITIVE that their BD player will be $499?

Oh - I also disagree with you. I was 100% dead on . . . about YOU Hatt.

Actually you are wrong as many have pointed out. Oppo offers a variety of upconverting DVD players in the $160-399 price range. The 983 is their uber-flagship model and runs circles around upscaling DVD players that cost more than that. Oppo offers a lot for the money.

BTW. I saw the Oppo 980 for sale recently for $99.

I suspect at least one of their BD players will be somewhere in the $399-499 range.

Lee Stewart · 09-02-2008, 06:18 AM

So how much is the new Yamaha BD player's MSRP?

dsskid · 09-02-2008, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kamspy

Given the rash of XDE marketing, I see XDE as the downfall of BD.

You can't go anywhere without hearing about XDE. I was at the bar the other night and a brawl broke out between the BD crowd and the XDE crowd. The bar keep had to break out the shotgun to clear the mess.

McDonalds has XDE ads plastered on all their cups, Kings Island has a special XDE rollercoaster now that upscales and sharpens the average rollercoaster experience. The endcaps at Wal-Mart are huge. They had a 65" Kuro playing The Maltese Falcon on an XDE player, the rabid crowd around it all agreed that it looked like 4k resolution.

It's everywhere. BD is doomed. Even my 2 years old's diapers now have XDE logos where Dora use to be.

Spoiler:

Chris Gerhard · 09-02-2008, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

So Oppo - a premier builder of quality UP DVD players . . .

Is going to be building bargin basement BD players with their technology?

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

THAT's the point.

It's like Caddilac making economy cars. I think they tried that once before - and it failed miserably.

If your name is associated with a high quality product - then new products will also match.

If Oppo released a BD player - it would be priced somewheres between $599 and $799 . . . . NOT $350.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

So their newest UP DVD player is $399 . . .

But you are POSITIVE that their BD player will be $499?

Oh - I also disagree with you. I was 100% dead on . . . about YOU Hatt.

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

So how much is the new Yamaha BD player's MSRP?

I don't remember, but Oppo sure doesn't bass product pricing on what Yamaha does. My guess is the two companies will have completely different products and differing strategies, but I sure welcome both to the Blu-ray stable of companies.

Your rollseyes smileys and attempt to wiggle around after making comments showing you have little knowledge about anything Blu-ray and an absolute inability to predict anything accurately regarding Blu-ray sure seems silly to me. What you might consider is an acknowledgement that you weren't well informed and thank those of us that provided meaningful information. A thank you might even be a good idea, much better than digging yourself further in a hole.

Oppo started out as a low priced value DVD player manufacturer with the DV-971HD by providing a good product and great customer service and product support. The level of customer service and product support Oppo provides is too expensive and made it impossible for Oppo to follow some other manufacturers to the bottom of the price scale, but Oppo successfully found a niche with good value and high quality universal DVD/CD/SACD/DVD-A players. Now what Oppo will do isn't precisely clear to me, but my belief is that Oppo will have to move to Blu-ray player development and try exactly the same strategy, good value and great service to compete for that growing market.

My hope for the direction Oppo decides on is to at least offer one Blu-ray/DVD/CD/SACD/DVD-A player but I have no inside information other than communication over the years with some company personnel and I haven't been told anything other than the company is considering what to do regarding Blu-ray. If a direction has been decided on, I haven't been informed of the choice.

Chris

Lee Stewart · 09-02-2008, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard

I don't remember, but Oppo sure doesn't bass product pricing on what Yamaha does. My guess is the two companies will have completely different products and differing strategies, but I sure welcome both to the Blu-ray stable of companies.

Your rollseyes smileys and attempt to wiggle around after making comments showing you have little knowledge about anything Blu-ray and an absolute inability to predict anything accurately regarding Blu-ray sure seems silly to me. What you might consider is an acknowledgement that you weren't well informed and thank those of us that provided meaningful information. A thank you might even be a good idea, much better than digging yourself further in a hole.

Oppo started out as a low priced value DVD player manufacturer with the DV-971HD by providing a good product and great customer service and product support. The level of customer service and product support Oppo provides is too expensive and made it impossible for Oppo to follow some other manufacturers to the bottom of the price scale, but Oppo successfully found a niche with good value and high quality universal DVD/CD/SACD/DVD-A players. Now what Oppo will do isn't precisely clear to me, but my belief is that Oppo will have to move to Blu-ray player development and try exactly the same strategy, good value and great service to compete for that growing market.

My hope for the direction Oppo decides on is to at least offer one Blu-ray/DVD/CD/SACD/DVD-A player but I have no inside information other than communication over the years with some company personnel and I haven't been told anything other than the company is considering what to do regarding Blu-ray. If a direction has been decided on, I haven't been informed of the choice.

Chris

Well Geez Chris - you have to give me some credit.

I forecasted BD would be a niche product and so far . . . that is EXACTLY what it is.

bmore · 09-02-2008, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Well Geez Chris - you have to give me some credit.

I forecasted BD would be a niche product and so far . . . that is EXACTLY what it is.

Do you really want to bring up your "forecasting" abilities? Are you more accurate than my local weatherman?

Still waiting on that SRT DVD player BTW.....CEDIA starts tomorrow....

ack_bak · 09-02-2008, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Well Geez Chris - you have to give me some credit.

I forecasted BD would be a niche product and so far . . . that is EXACTLY what it is.

Haha. So did anyone expect Blu-Ray to outsell DVD two years after it was released to the public (nevermind the format war, the fact that less people own HDTV's than SD TV's, lack of 100% major studio support until July of this year, and a shaky economy).

You really went out there on a limb with that prediction Lee

I guess we can revisit your prediction sometime around 2012-2014...

Chris Gerhard · 09-02-2008, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ack_bak

Haha. So did anyone expect Blu-Ray to outsell DVD two years after it was released to the public (nevermind the format war, the fact that less people own HDTV's than SD TV's, lack of 100% major studio support until July of this year, and a shaky economy).

You really went out there on a limb with that prediction Lee

I guess we can revisit your prediction sometime around 2012-2014...

Blu-ray is not going to become anything I would consider a niche product. Blu-ray is well on the way to becoming a product in 35% of US homes, maybe 50%. That is a mainstream product in my opinion. Lee Stewart doesn't own the product, apparently doesn't like the product or the companies behind it, which are many and has nothing of value to offer to any discussion about Blu-ray. He has been so wrong about all of this, it is hilarious, and he continues to make a fool of himself, non-stop.

Chris

bmore · 09-02-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard

...He has been so wrong about all of this, it is hilarious, and he continues to make a fool of himself, non-stop. Chris

Funny that you bring that up....

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Better buy a new crystal ball Hatt - yours is broken!

I don't think someone in Lee's position should be calling out others on their predictive abilities...

HD Goofnut · 09-02-2008, 11:50 AM

Around and around the merry-go-round goes and when it stops nobody knows.

sigill · 09-02-2008, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kamspy

Given the rash of XDE marketing, I see XDE as the downfall of BD.

You can't go anywhere without hearing about XDE. I was at the bar the other night and a brawl broke out between the BD crowd and the XDE crowd. The bar keep had to break out the shotgun to clear the mess.

McDonalds has XDE ads plastered on all their cups, Kings Island has a special XDE rollercoaster now that upscales and sharpens the average rollercoaster experience. The endcaps at Wal-Mart are huge. They had a 65" Kuro playing The Maltese Falcon on an XDE player, the rabid crowd around it all agreed that it looked like 4k resolution.

It's everywhere. BD is doomed. Even my 2 years old's diapers now have XDE logos where Dora use to be.

Spoiler:

I like it. Very funny

You make a very valid point though about the marketing side of things. Toshiba couldn't market HD DVD properly so what chance do they stand with the XDE player's.

hatt · 09-02-2008, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bmore

Funny that you bring that up....

I don't think someone in Lee's position should be calling out others on their predictive abilities...

Should I wait on the apology from Lee when the Oppo BD player is launched at around $400 or less?

09-01-2008, 08:47 PM	#48
kamspy Esteban Moderatoro Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati,OH Good Posts: 12 Posts: 13,057	Given the rash of XDE marketing, I see XDE as the downfall of BD. You can't go anywhere without hearing about XDE. I was at the bar the other night and a brawl broke out between the BD crowd and the XDE crowd. The bar keep had to break out the shotgun to clear the mess. McDonalds has XDE ads plastered on all their cups, Kings Island has a special XDE rollercoaster now that upscales and sharpens the average rollercoaster experience. The endcaps at Wal-Mart are huge. They had a 65" Kuro playing The Maltese Falcon on an XDE player, the rabid crowd around it all agreed that it looked like 4k resolution. It's everywhere. BD is doomed. Even my 2 years old's diapers now have XDE logos where Dora use to be. Spoiler: TRANSLATION: XDE doesn't have enough marketing to be anymore a threat to BD as any other upscaling DVD player. In fact it has less because it costs twice as much as the Sony and Samsung HDMI DVD players at Wal-Mart

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09-01-2008, 08:42 PM	#47
Chris Gerhard High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 8,211	I purchased an Oppo DVD/SACD/DVD-A player, the DV-970HD for about $125 delivered refurbished. My second Oppo player, another DVD/SACD/DVD-A player, the Oppo DV-980H, came with an MSRP of $170. A Blu-ray player based on the DV-980H if Oppo decides on a truly universal player, Blu-ray/SACD/DVD-A/DVD, should be possible between $349 to $449 MSRP. If Oppo decides on a universal player based on the DV-983H, I would expect the MSRP to be between $449 and $549. If Oppo decides on a straight Blu-ray/DVD player, I would expect an MSRP of $299, give or take $50. Oppo might come in a little lower depending on the timing, if the wait is longer than I expect, meaning further reductions in the costs I would expect my estimates to be high. Winbase Electronics, a high quality manufacturer in China is the likely source of the player. I see nothing else for Oppo to do but move to Blu-ray and I expect the product to be very good. As usual, Lee Stewart knows little or nothing of what he speaks. Chris

09-02-2008, 06:18 AM	#50
Lee Stewart Behold - the future! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albuquerque, NM Age: 58 Posts: 25,193	So how much is the new Yamaha BD player's MSRP?