Toshiba's XDE DVD players won't hurt Blu-ray Disc

Chris Gerhard · 09-03-2008, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dsskid

You are kidding me, right?

Spin..................................

Reread all the SRT posts:
Super Resolution Coming To DVD Players (960P)
NON-SRT DVD Player from Toshiba coming NEXT WEEK for $149!!!!

Ha, you beat me to it. He personally claimed he had received inside information that the XDE player had the Spurs Engine before I am aware of anybody actually being able to purchase the player.

Chris

Nikopol · 09-03-2008, 08:50 AM

since we are talking BD profiles: How are the exciting DVD interactive features with the XDE? Seems that it's almost worthless to own a disc (or a player), if it can't access great online-features. What was that? No online features on DVDs for now? Ah, ok.....

carry on

David Forbes · 09-03-2008, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

Not all Blu-Ray players can fully utilise Blu-Ray movie discs to its fullest. When you buy a Blu-Ray movie the player should be able to have that ability to every single thing on the disc which the consumer purchased.

Why doesn’t the BDA scrap the Profile 1.1 and just release its final spec 2.0? This is the question, if HD DVD released players with finished specs for a great price so can the CE manufactures with BD players. But at the end of the day they are in for the money not the consumer.

Ooh, I'll answer this one! It's easy!

Buy a Blu-ray player that's Profile 2.0! Ta-da! Problem solved! You're very welcome!

See, for me, I don't give a monkey's wet smelly behind about Internet connectivity, which is why I bought the Sony 350. I can get it if I really want it later, but it's not important to me and I sure as hell won't pay extra for it (Sony 500), so for me, a consumer, that means more choice. Let me reiterate. MORE CHOICE. FOR ME. A CONSUMER. I'm not a corporation, nor do I work for the BDA, about whom I also don't give a monkey's wet smelly behind. All I want from them is a product with the features I want at a price I'm willing to pay.

bmore · 09-03-2008, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

I am still waiting for your answer to my 1+ Billion DVD players sold in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD

You never said "1+ billion DVD players sold". You said "billions of SD DVD owners". Do you not remember what you said?

I don't want to get into this again, but the two phrases are different. One owner can own 60 DVD players. But he is still one owner. 1:60 ratio.

The number of owners vs. the number of players sold is not the same thing. Sorry.

dsskid · 09-03-2008, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by bmore

You never said "1+ billion DVD players sold". You said "billions of SD DVD owners". Do you not remember what you said?

I don't want to get into this again, but the two phrases are different. One owner can own 60 DVD players. But he is still one owner. 1:60 ratio.

The number of owners vs. the number of players sold is not the same thing. Sorry.

I own 7.

Loves2Watch · 09-03-2008, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by David Forbes

Ooh, I'll answer this one! It's easy!

Buy a Blu-ray player that's Profile 2.0! Ta-da! Problem solved! You're very welcome!

See, for me, I don't give a monkey's wet smelly behind about Internet connectivity, which is why I bought the Sony 350. I can get it if I really want it later, but it's not important to me and I sure as hell won't pay extra for it (Sony 500), so for me, a consumer, that means more choice. Let me reiterate. MORE CHOICE. FOR ME. A CONSUMER. I'm not a corporation, nor do I work for the BDA, about whom I also don't give a monkey's wet smelly behind. All I want from them is a product with the features I want at a price I'm willing to pay.

I am glad you are happy with your purchase and truly hope it does all you want. Having HDM is a great thing as you know. Happy watching

bmore · 09-03-2008, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by David Forbes

Ooh, I'll answer this one! It's easy!

Buy a Blu-ray player that's Profile 2.0! Ta-da! Problem solved! You're very welcome!

Or they could also build their own player and really stick it to Sony!

Although that would probably cost a lot more than to just buy one, as a consumer, from a producer, such as Sony.

Super XP · 09-03-2008, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by David Forbes

Cluelessness truly is an unlimited resource. If only we could tap it for energy!!!

So Toshiba wasn't in HD DVD for the money? What were they in it for, then? Jelly beans? Seriously, what was their motivation if not money?

Post 141

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Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard

Please inform me how to utilize DTS-HD MA with my HD-A1. Please show me how to utlize the 1080/24p or 1080p/60Hz input option from that same player for my HDTV that doesn't deinterlace well.

What exactly is your main point ever except that you preferred HD DVD over Blu-ray? Your reasons expressed are so silly to be laughable.

Chris

The same can be said for DVD. That is not my point and you know this. I am talking about having the ability to use the whole BD disc which also includes the internet. Profile 1.1 & 1.0 do not have this feature.

I can still view the movie no problem whether its 1080p or 1080i or 24p or 60p. I can still hear the sound on a movie whether its Dolby TrueHD, DTS HD MA, DD+ DTS etc. pick one and you will still hear the movie. The same cannot be said for being able to use the internet. Regardless how you put it you must have a profile 2.0 player to use the interactive internet features. Profile 1.1 does not have this option and that is the problem.

Super XP · 09-03-2008, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by bmore

You never said "1+ billion DVD players sold". You said "billions of SD DVD owners". Do you not remember what you said?

I don't want to get into this again, but the two phrases are different. One owner can own 60 DVD players. But he is still one owner. 1:60 ratio.

The number of owners vs. the number of players sold is not the same thing. Sorry.

No I did not remember that

But I did find proof that 1 billion DVD players are in the masses and that is a lot of players. Having that many players in the world must equate to at least a billion DVD owners wouldn't you say

Super XP · 09-03-2008, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard

Ha, you beat me to it. He personally claimed he had received inside information that the XDE player had the Spurs Engine before I am aware of anybody actually being able to purchase the player.

Chris

Long Live SRT

bmore · 09-03-2008, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

Post 141

The same can be said for DVD. That is not my point and you know this. I am talking about having the ability to use the whole BD disc which also includes the internet. Profile 1.1 & 1.0 do not have this feature.

I can still view the movie no problem whether its 1080p or 1080i or 24p or 60p. I can still hear the sound on a movie whether its Dolby TrueHD, DTS HD MA, DD+ DTS etc. pick one and you will still hear the movie. The same cannot be said for being able to use the internet. Regardless how you put it you must have a profile 2.0 player to use the interactive internet features. Profile 1.1 does not have this option and that is the problem.

And? You have the CHOICE to not buy a 1.1 player and buy a 2.0 player that does plays the internet features.

The key word being choice.

Just like someone has the choice to ONLY buy a 1.1 player because they could care less about internet features. And they just may save themselves some $$ in the process.

Chris Gerhard · 09-03-2008, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

Chris Gerhard is well known for his bias opinions. Anything that can potentially hinder Blu-Ray’s already extremely slow adoption is a conspiracy to do just that.

The only reason why Toshiba released the XDE is to completely hinder Blu-Ray sales and to convey to the public that DVD is good enough. Toshiba did not release the XDE to capitalize on an already MASSIVE DVD consumer based audience to make some money, Oh, no they wouldn’t do that.

You get to make up what extremely slow adoption means, but it appears that Blu-ray will grow in the magnitude of 500% or more this year based on what I am reading. I can't call that extremely low adoption rate. It doesn't however meet your predictions for HD DVD for 2008, which would have been a rapid adoption rate.

In case some aren't aware of your predictions for extremely fast HD DVD adoption during 2008, in response to my reasonable posts, you offered this:

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The day you are right is the day Pigs Fly. I obviously know something you do not know
When HD DVD hits 8-10 million SAL's sold in 2008, what will you say then? I would say 10-20 million HD DVD movie sales ever month
The DVD Forum is determined to make HD DVD the only format to take over DVD, don't think they are sitting on their around and sucking their lollypops

Post #873 in this thread:

http://www.highdefforum.com/showthre...nth#post457224

Chris

dsskid · 09-03-2008, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

Regardless how you put it you must have a profile 2.0 player to use the interactive internet features. Profile 1.1 does not have this option and that is the problem.

For some, but not all. I, like many, couldn't care less about BD Live. But thank you for being the BD Spokesmodel for those who do care about BD Live.

dsskid · 09-03-2008, 09:03 AM

Lookout, I hear pig droppings are really large.

bmore · 09-03-2008, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

No I did not remember that

But I did find proof that 1 billion DVD players are in the masses and that is a lot of players. Having that many players in the world must equate to at least a billion DVD owners wouldn't you say

Obviously I would not say that. And once again, you said "billionS", not "billion". I have posted links to the population of countries such as the US, Germany, France, Japan, India and China that shows that actual DVD ownership is probably well under 1 billion worldwide. The US, one of the biggest supporters of DVD, probably has about 150M DVD owners. And we have one of the the highest DVD saturation %'s, in addition to a larger population than Japan, Germany, etc. But like I said before, I don't want to reopen that. We all know there are a lot of DVD players in the wild.

I am just refuting your tendency to grossly overexaggerate things in favor of one side over the other. And I thought your proclamation of "billons of SD DVD OWNERS" was one of said exaggerations.

Done with that topic.

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Nikopol Uwe Boll's my hero Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Maelstrom Blu-rays: 14 Age: 4 Posts: 6,374	since we are talking BD profiles: How are the exciting DVD interactive features with the XDE? Seems that it's almost worthless to own a disc (or a player), if it can't access great online-features. What was that? No online features on DVDs for now? Ah, ok..... carry on