Toshiba's XDE DVD players won't hurt Blu-ray Disc

bmore · 09-03-2008, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

AGREED

You are just as bad a Chris with these baseless posts. You are talking a basic FACT about "Profile 1.1 and 2.0" and trying to make sense of something that cannot make sense regardless in how you try to make sense of it. Stop sticking up for the BDA's mishaps. Blu-Ray is still a very confusing product to J6P’s.

If I buy a BD movie with internet features, I’d better be able to use my BD player to interact and enjoy those internet features. This is the problem, people should be given the decision to either use it or not use it, not CE and the BDA.

The BDA already proven that they are in this for the money and to screw the consumer that purchased Profile 1.0 & 1.1 players because they lack the final profile 2.0 features period. If you and Chris cannot swallow this basic FACT, then you truly work for the BDA.

Please show me a company that isn't in it for the money.

Please spare me the accusations. It is not my fault you cannot wrap your mind around a basic concept of business.

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In marketing, product differentiation (also known simply as "differentiation") is the process of distinguishing the differences of a product or offering from others, to make it more attractive to a particular target market. This involves differentiating it from competitors' products as well as one's own product offerings.

Differentiation is a source of competitive advantage. Although research in a niche market may result in changing your product in order to improve differentiation, the changes themselves are not differentiation. Marketing or product differentiation is the process of describing the differences between products or services, or the resulting list of differences. This is done in order to demonstrate the unique aspects of your product and create a sense of value. Marketing textbooks are firm on the point that any differentiation must be valued by buyers (e.g. [1]). The term unique selling proposition refers to advertising to communicate a product's differentiation [2].

In economics, successful product differentiation leads to monopolistic competition and is inconsistent with the conditions for perfect competition, which include the requirement that the products of competing firms should be perfect substitutes.

The brand differences are usually minor; they can be merely a difference in packaging or an advertising theme. The physical product need not change, but it could. Differentiation is due to buyers perceiving a difference, hence causes of differentiation may be functional aspects of the product or service, how it is distributed and marketed, or who buys it. The major sources of product differentiation are as follows.

Differences in quality which are usually accompanied by differences in price -
Differences in functional features or design-
Ignorance of buyers regarding the essential characteristics and qualities of goods they are purchasing -
Sales promotion activities of sellers and, in particular, advertising
Differences in availability (e.g. timing and location). -
The objective of differentiation is to develop a position that potential customers see as unique

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_differentiation

Super XP · 09-03-2008, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by bmore

That is merely one "standard" feature.

Did all HD DVD players have the same audio decoding abilities? Nope. That was a non-standard feature.

Did all HD DVD players have the same type of upscaling abilites? Nope. That was a non-standard feature.

Yes, all had internet capabilites. But that was ONE feature that was the same. Other features were not.

It just so happens that with bluray, the internet feature is not applied to all players. Just like 1080p wasn't applied to all HD DVD players.

Tit for tat. What is important to you may not be important to others. You can't pick and choose which feature YOU think should have been "standard", just because YOU think it is more important.

Most people could care less about internet connectivity. And for all of those internet capable HD DVD players, how many discs had those features???

Both formats had product differentiation. You are just myopically focusing on only one "standard". The fact that HD DVD had all of their players internet ready is no different from the fact that bluray had all of their players 1080p. Different strokes.

You make a great point, but what I am trying to explain here is this:
Can all HD DVD players utilise the whole HD DVD disc? YES
This is my main POINT.
Not all Blu-Ray players can fully utilise Blu-Ray movie discs to its fullest. When you buy a Blu-Ray movie the player should be able to have that ability to every single thing on the disc which the consumer purchased.

Why doesn’t the BDA scrap the Profile 1.1 and just release its final spec 2.0? This is the question, if HD DVD released players with finished specs for a great price so can the CE manufactures with BD players. But at the end of the day they are in for the money not the consumer.

dsskid · 09-03-2008, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

The BDA already proven that they are in this for the money and to screw the consumer that purchased Profile 1.0 & 1.1 players because they lack the final profile 2.0 features period. If you and Chris cannot swallow this basic FACT, then you truly work for the BDA.

When are you going to learn that the CE manufacturers aren't interested in being your friend. They are ALL in it for the money.

Super XP · 09-03-2008, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by bmore

Please show me a company that isn't in it for the money.

Please spare me the accusations. It is not my fault you cannot wrap your mind around a basic concept of business.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_differentiation

I am still waiting for your answer to my 1+ Billion DVD players sold in the world.

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In 2006, a new format called Blu-ray Disc (BD), designed by Sony, Philips, and Panasonic, was released as the successor to DVD. Another format, HD DVD, competed unsuccessfully with this format in a format war from 2006 to 2008.

However, unlike previous format changes (e.g. vinyl records to compact disc, VHS videotape to DVD), there is no immediate indication that production of the standard DVD will gradually wind down, as they still dominate with around 97% of video sales and with approx: one billion DVD player sales world wide.[19]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD

Loves2Watch · 09-03-2008, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dsskid

So is the XDE considered BETA because it doesn't have the spurs engine in it? Is it an unfinished/finalized product? Did Toshiba rush out their unfinished product? Won't this further confuse the consumer?

No, because if and when the spur engine comes out, it will be listed under another model number, and the consumer will have a choice: spend less for the current XDE model, or spend a premium for the model with the spurs engine in it.

If the current XDE is "good enough", and the consumer decides to spend less, so be it.

I don't believe the XDE player ever claimed to have a SPURS engine in it. It is promoted as an upscaling DVD player.

Super XP · 09-03-2008, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dsskid

When are you going to learn that the CE manufacturers aren't interested in being your friend. They are ALL in it for the money.

I already know this, even Toshiba & SONY will screw the consumer up just to make more money. That is not the point here, I was just stating a fact which I presented in my post.

Loves2Watch · 09-03-2008, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard

I have Loves2Watch on ignore so I don't see his posts except when somebody quotes them.

The truth hurts, doesn't it?

Super XP · 09-03-2008, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Loves2Watch

I don't believe the XDE player ever claimed to have a SPURS engine in it. It is promoted as an upscaling DVD player.

Correct, it was the SRT DVD player that is to have a Spurs Engine inside it. I never heard of XDE up until Toshiba released it to the masses.

dsskid · 09-03-2008, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Loves2Watch

I don't believe the XDE player ever claimed to have a SPURS engine in it. It is promoted as an upscaling DVD player.

Claimed, insinuated, rumored, speculated. Read the numerous SRT threads here. XDE was supposed to be the SRT player, or so a lot of the members here had led us to believe.

Chris Gerhard · 09-03-2008, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

You make a great point, but what I am trying to explain here is this:
Can all HD DVD players utilise the whole HD DVD disc? YES
This is my main POINT.

Please inform me how to utilize DTS-HD MA with my HD-A1. Please show me how to utlize the 1080/24p or 1080p/60Hz input option from that same player for my HDTV that doesn't deinterlace well.

What exactly is your main point ever except that you preferred HD DVD over Blu-ray? Your reasons expressed are so silly to be laughable.

Chris

David Forbes · 09-03-2008, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

The BDA already proven that they are in this for the money and to screw the consumer that purchased Profile 1.0 & 1.1 players because they lack the final profile 2.0 features period. If you and Chris cannot swallow this basic FACT, then you truly work for the BDA.

Cluelessness truly is an unlimited resource. If only we could tap it for energy!!!

So Toshiba wasn't in HD DVD for the money? What were they in it for, then? Jelly beans? Seriously, what was their motivation if not money?

bmore · 09-03-2008, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

You make a great point, but what I am trying to explain here is this:
Can all HD DVD players utilise the whole HD DVD disc? YES
This is my main POINT.

That is debateable. Do the 1080i HD DVD players utilize "the whole" 1080p encoded movie (in the purest sense)? Yes, the final resolution is the same, but the deinterlacing process is still undesired.

Once again, different strokes. Internet versus true 1080p. Both largely revolve around pure marketing. Obviously you value the internet "standard" more than the 1080p "standard". Others may not.

Tit for tat.

Super XP · 09-03-2008, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Loves2Watch

The truth hurts, doesn't it?

Chris Gerhard is well known for his bias opinions. Anything that can potentially hinder Blu-Ray’s already extremely slow adoption is a conspiracy to do just that.

The only reason why Toshiba released the XDE is to completely hinder Blu-Ray sales and to convey to the public that DVD is good enough. Toshiba did not release the XDE to capitalize on an already MASSIVE DVD consumer based audience to make some money, Oh, no they wouldn’t do that.

dsskid · 09-03-2008, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

Correct, it was the SRT DVD player that is to have a Spurs Engine inside it. I never heard of XDE up until Toshiba released it to the masses.

You are kidding me, right?

Spin..................................

Reread all the SRT posts:
Super Resolution Coming To DVD Players (960P)
NON-SRT DVD Player from Toshiba coming NEXT WEEK for $149!!!!

Loves2Watch · 09-03-2008, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

Chris Gerhard is well known for his bias opinions. Anything that can potentially hinder Blu-Ray’s already extremely slow adoption is a conspiracy to do just that.

The only reason why Toshiba released the XDE is to completely hinder Blu-Ray sales and to convey to the public that DVD is good enough. Toshiba did not release the XDE to capitalize on an already MASSIVE DVD consumer based audience to make some money, Oh, no they wouldn’t do that.

Give this a read - http://www.wired.com/gadgets/miscell...bluray_preview From what I read, Blu ray is doing enough on it's own to sabotage itself and doesn't need any help.

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