What Is The DVD Forum Doing With HD DVD, Gaming Perhaps?

[Super XP]

Originally Posted by genufett

Oh, please. You can't even get profits and revenues straightened out.
Um, adding anything kind of defeats the definition of "complete", dont'cha know? Besides, if HD DVD was already finished, why have there been firmware updates to allow discs to play?
For someone who's lecturing me on features, you seem awfully ignorant of the fact that all players are backwards compatible with previous features (not "incompatible with one another"), and that the majority of Blu-ray devices that have been sold are Profile 2.0 compliant. And as for "every single HD DVD player" being as capable as each other, please tell me how many 360s (even those with HDMI), which made up between 40% and 50% of HD DVD players, are outputting anything other than DD or DTS. I'll give you a hint: It's 0.
See my first and second response.
Uh huh...please show us all those games where the 360 has better PQ "over and over again".

You still don't know what finished specs mean. Everything needs a firmware update to enable hardware that is already in the player. Blu-Ray had missing hardware so even a firmware update would never allow many Blu-Ray players to upgrade to profile 2.0. I am only stating facts here, so why not do a google search before you reply O.K.

You cannot play some profile 2.0 BD based content on profile 1.1 or bellow BD players. Once again get your facts straight. HD DVD was a complete spec and everything was compatible with the HD DVD logo'ed products. Each and every HD DVD player had an internet connection, many BD players did not. All HD DVD players had the necessary hardware to guarantee future compatibility to future discs with any possible add-ons etc. there

Newer Blu-Ray players are a different story, though many profile 1.1 players lack features that are present in profile 2.0 so therefore people with profile 1.1 players will not be able to completely utilise profile 2.0 based BD movies. If the BDA didn't mess around with the profiles in the begining things would have been a lot easier and less confusing to people.

I am just stating the facts Bro, maybe PFC5 can better explain this to you.

[hatt]

Give it up Super. Even if HD DVD was complete. A complete and discontinued product is not better than a similar unfinished product in production by the entire industry. You can argue for a million years and not get around this simple principle. At least a simple principle to most.

[h0mi]

The profile thing is a dead horse. It didn't matter much to early adopters who continued to buy outdated blu-ray players at a greater clip than they bought hd dvd players.

HD DVD's "completeness" had a downside- it meant the specs you have today would be the specs you'd have for the long haul. Any software that required more oomph, more memory would've broken compatibility with older players. So either software features would remain limited for the lifetime of the format, or HD DVD "profile goodness" was inevitable. This is moot now, however, since what you have today on HD DVD is what you're gonna get (until the online servers from Warner et al are shut down).

[Qbfinest83]

Originally Posted by MikeRox

Microsoft would be retarded to offer anything other than Blu-ray in their next console. To not have disc based HD movie playback would be a severe hinderance given their target audience.

The only company I can think of that would consider HD DVD would be Nintendo, and for the forseeable future, they have no need for increased storage. They would use HD DVD as a proprietory format though to help prevent piracy.

I think by the time MS will release there next console they could have a dual format player in there, were the games will be on HDDVD and bluray disc can play movies.

I mean if you think about it burners are no where to be found and for that matter neither is the media for it a person would at best have to found a way to pull the information form the HDDVD and put it on a bluray disc if they could pirate the game.

[loganhunter200]

Only one reason to use HD DVD. There are no HD DVD burners out there so copying games would be hard.

[Super XP]

Originally Posted by loganhunter200

Only one reason to use HD DVD. There are no HD DVD burners out there so copying games would be hard.

That is my point, HD DVD can serve this purpose very well. Maybe the new XBOX will be the console with HD DVD.

[PFC5]

Originally Posted by loganhunter200

Only one reason to use HD DVD. There are no HD DVD burners out there so copying games would be hard.

That is the biggest reason that MS MIGHT be tempted to use HD DVD to get the higher capacity, but they could also save on disc mfg costs, as I am sure the replicators would offer sweet deals to put some of the HD DVD equipment back into making money for them. I am also sure Toshiba licensing fees would be much lower than using a BD drive, unless Toshiba was nuts and wouldn't rather get something instead of nothing.

[kamspy]

Originally Posted by PFC5

That is the biggest reason that MS MIGHT be tempted to use HD DVD to get the higher capacity, but they could also save on disc mfg costs, as I am sure the replicators would offer sweet deals to put some of the HD DVD equipment back into making money for them. I am also sure Toshiba licensing fees would be much lower than using a BD drive, unless Toshiba was nuts and wouldn't rather get something instead of nothing.

It wouldn't stop piracy for one second.

ProTip: The PS3 has yet to have a single game pirated. Every 360 game available is on torrent sites and EASILY downloaded and burnt to disc. Makes me think the failure rate of the 360 is just planned obsolescence to deter people from installing the chips to make the 360 skip the authentication step....Hmmmm.

[Dare]

Originally Posted by kamspy

ProTip: The PS3 has yet to have a single game pirated.

I assume you're joking. I could tell you how to find them quickly, but I don't think the mods would smile on me for doing so.

[PFC5]

Originally Posted by kamspy

It wouldn't stop piracy for one second.

ProTip: The PS3 has yet to have a single game pirated. Every 360 game available is on torrent sites and EASILY downloaded and burnt to disc. Makes me think the failure rate of the 360 is just planned obsolescence to deter people from installing the chips to make the 360 skip the authentication step....Hmmmm.

Speculation ahaed:

OK. So someone gets the game off a HD DVD based 720 game and now has it on their computer. What do they do with it? There are virtually no HD DVD burners out there, and the 720 only plays games from the discs, not by networking into computer files, so are you saying the pirates will be designing and build HD DVD burners to make this happen?

I doubt the pirates are THAT willing to put out the kind of money to do that kind of operation, and you could be sure that if such drives were made by pirates, Customs would be blocking about 5 out of 10 that attempted to get into the country. That would be a lot of risk and would likely take at least 10's of millions to get such an operation like that started. Then have such devices banned in virtually all the WTO countries so the market would be very small and no way to recover the investment.

See WHY HD DVD would be used for anti-pirating purposes?

[PFC5]

Originally Posted by Dare

I assume you're joking. I could tell you how to find them quickly, but I don't think the mods would smile on me for doing so.

Thank you for not doing that!

[kamspy]

Originally Posted by PFC5

Speculation ahaed:

OK. So someone gets the game off a HD DVD based 720 game and now has it on their computer. What do they do with it? There are virtually no HD DVD burners out there, and the 720 only plays games from the discs, not by networking into computer files, so are you saying the pirates will be designing and build HD DVD burners to make this happen?

I doubt the pirates are THAT willing to put out the kind of money to do that kind of operation, and you could be sure that if such drives were made by pirates, Customs would be blocking about 5 out of 10 that attempted to get into the country. That would be a lot of risk and would likely take at least 10's of millions to get such an operation like that started. Then have such devices banned in virtually all the WTO countries so the market would be very small and no way to recover the investment.

See WHY HD DVD would be used for anti-pirating purposes?

Know, but if I can convince my PS3 that a DVD is a BD (with the right authoring) I'm sure someone could figure out how to convince a 720 that a DL-DVD is an HD DVD.

[kamspy]

Originally Posted by Dare

I assume you're joking. I could tell you how to find them quickly, but I don't think the mods would smile on me for doing so.

I know, but it takes all that hippie Linux mubo jumbo. I saw the video on engadget. Not quite as easy as 'solder-download-burn-play'.

and it only works will a handful of games.

Not quite piracy in the truest sense of the word since you need the actual disc to copy it to the HDD.

[PFC5]

Originally Posted by kamspy

Know, but if I can convince my PS3 that a DVD is a BD (with the right authoring) I'm sure someone could figure out how to convince a 720 that a DL-DVD is an HD DVD.

But that is also how HD DVD firmware discs are made with a CD-R disc. It doesn't give the room needed to put a game on the discs though, since the argument is games will need MORE space than SD DVD can provide in the next gen console.

How would you fit a 20-30GB game on a DL DVD +-R which is limited to actually about 8.6GB? You could "try" to split the gamer up to multiple discs, but would it still run the game? Who would want to keep changing discs especially in shoot em up type games? Especially when you might go back a couple of scenes and then be required to change back to the other disc?

Who would think this is worth all that work and the likely poor score achieved with such a setup?

[PFC5]

Originally Posted by kamspy

I know, but it takes all that hippie Linux mubo jumbo. I saw the video on engadget. Not quite as easy as 'solder-download-burn-play'.

and it only works will a handful of games.

Not quite piracy in the truest sense of the word since you need the actual disc to copy it to the HDD.

Of course it IS by what the law says now. Also, who would do that on a game they already own? They would "borrow" their friends game disc to do it, or from a rental of the game, so yeah, it would be pirating IMO.

Also knowing you have kids, how do you explain this as being "all right" to them without sending the wrong signals?