What Is The DVD Forum Doing With HD DVD, Gaming Perhaps?

[PFC5]

Solid State is WAY too expensive compared to ANY optical disc both from a mfg cost standpoint, AND from the time per unit to make. I think we are a couple more years away before the cost could get low enough to be negligible, but they would still have the multiple times longer per unit to make than even on a BD disc.

The point of using an HD DVD disc is that it is virtually the same cost as SD DVD with a slight premium, and similar yields and with hardly any HD DVD burners (or media) out there, you couldn't pirate the games very easily.

So they could add the higher capacity for relatively the same cost per disc as SD DVD, but with much better copy protection for the game makers. That would mean more profits per game title, could lower (slightly) game pricing with pirating taken out of the equation, and still gain in the capacity department if needed.

It seems a lot better than creating a proprietary format with almost the same assure of copy protection without actually having to add intrusive copy protection on the discs. This sounds like a win/win situation, with the only drawback being not having the ability of BD movie playback like the PS3, but MS seems to want to go the download route instead for that anyway.

[Cowboy X]

Originally Posted by Super XP

Over and over again the XBOX 360 has proven to have better PQ then the PS3 with the same games. I am talking about several months ago, right now not sure if that changed.

While that may be true currently, ID's upcoming Rage game may be different if no compromise is reached.

[Super XP]

Originally Posted by Cowboy X

While that may be true currently, ID's upcoming Rage game may be different if no compromise is reached.

Then we shall see what happens. I for one prefer PC gaming and graphics because its expandible.

[MikeRox]

Visuals on PS3 are generally identical now. However the very best looking PS3 games tend to look better than the best looking 360 titles.

[Cowboy X]

Originally Posted by MikeRox

Visuals on PS3 are generally identical now. However the very best looking PS3 games tend to look better than the best looking 360 titles.

Disagree.

[Cowboy X]

Originally Posted by Super XP

Then we shall see what happens. I for one prefer PC gaming and graphics because its expandible.

I prefer Pc games because they are vastly superior, cheaper, more customizable and have far better online options.

[h0mi]

Originally Posted by PFC5

HUH?

BD discs cost much more and by many accounts at least twice as much to make, so I don't understand HOW you could say this.

I'm saying that attempting to improve upon HD DVD and make it better suited for gaming use would be more expensive than just using blu-ray from the start. By the time MS rolls out their next gen console, BD25/50 discs won't be that much more expensive to make (not so sure its 2x anymore).

[MikeRox]

Originally Posted by Cowboy X

Disagree.

Good for you, a game on visual parity with Ratchet and Clank that runs at 60fps on the 360 plz

Very well stated opinion btw

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Cowboy X

I prefer Pc games because they are vastly superior, cheaper, more customizable and have far better online options.

That's been my standpoint for years and years. The consoles will always be behind PCs as far as VQ is concerned as they can't use fancy video cards without marking the console prices up 20-30% when they are released. The fact is that PC gaming is still the most practical way to go if you are gaming a fan.

[MikeRox]

The only problem I have with PC gaming is I'm like Oliver Twist, I always want more than what my current set up allows. At least games consoles automatically cap it for me rather than "oooh if I add this or that... I'll get an extra 5fps!"

Theres also the fact that most of the games I love aren't availible on PC.

[genufett]

Originally Posted by The_Omega_Man

Question which is actually ultimatly cheaper to mass produce and manufacture on a large scale?

DL BD drives + DL BD recorded media or TL HD DVD drives + TL HD DVD recorded media? Does anyone know the answers?

That's like asking what will give you a nicer ride, an Arabian or a unicorn? One exists and can be priced, the other doesn't exist and never existed.

On the copy protection front, I am not sure just how much something like this actually does for protecting XBOX gaming content as there are plenty of PC HD DVD ROM readers out there! (3 or 4 are actually in Laptops! ) There seem to be many dual Blue Laser format PC readers, still coming out.

No one's making either laptops or desktops with HD DVD drives in them, even Toshiba.

On the movie front, M$ has already stated where their direction lies. It is not on the optical storage arena. It is XBOX-Live (DL & Steaming) or bust for them. They and Apple may be ahead of us all, in the wisdom category, on this one! Besides, any of these drives will play SD DVDs if you just want to watch disc based movies.

So will Blu-ray...

And as for downloads, we already know that XBLM and iTMS combined market share for both HD and SD content is a fraction of Blu-ray's HD content, and they've been around longer. So much for that "wisdom"!

[genufett]

Originally Posted by Super XP

You shouldn't try to lecture me on finished specs especially when you don't know what it means.

Oh, please. You can't even get profits and revenues straightened out.

HD DVD already has finished specifications, its an already standardized format, all the DVD Forum is doing now is updating content and adding extra features and such to the already finished specifications.

Um, adding anything kind of defeats the definition of "complete", dont'cha know? Besides, if HD DVD was already finished, why have there been firmware updates to allow discs to play?

The difference is every single HD DVD player is capable of using any other features that may come down the road where as Blu-Ray has what 3 different profile based players, which are incompatible with one another in terms of features & such. It's bad enough BD is not even standardized yet, and will never due to the different player profiles out.

For someone who's lecturing me on features, you seem awfully ignorant of the fact that all players are backwards compatible with previous features (not "incompatible with one another"), and that the majority of Blu-ray devices that have been sold are Profile 2.0 compliant. And as for "every single HD DVD player" being as capable as each other, please tell me how many 360s (even those with HDMI), which made up between 40% and 50% of HD DVD players, are outputting anything other than DD or DTS. I'll give you a hint: It's 0.

If you still don't know what "Finished Specs" means then why not do some net research O.K.

See my first and second response.

Over and over again the XBOX 360 has proven to have better PQ then the PS3 with the same games. I am talking about several months ago, right now not sure if that changed.

Uh huh...please show us all those games where the 360 has better PQ "over and over again".

[PFC5]

Originally Posted by genufett

That's like asking what will give you a nicer ride, an Arabian or a unicorn? One exists and can be priced, the other doesn't exist and never existed.
No one's making either laptops or desktops with HD DVD drives in them, even Toshiba.
So will Blu-ray...

And as for downloads, we already know that XBLM and iTMS combined market share for both HD and SD content is a fraction of Blu-ray's HD content, and they've been around longer. So much for that "wisdom"!

TL TWIN & TL HD51 discs have been shown. Granted they were lab discs and not mass production discs, but they did/do exist AND were approved just before the rug got pulled out.

Now we all have seen those BD400 disc "claims" but not ONE was a BD-ROM disc and they ALSO were only a lab disc. So HD51 & TL TWIN discs are less vapor ware than any of the BD discs that tout anything higher than DL BD50. Will they ever come? Possibly, but likely never for a movie disc on a BD-ROM, and are only going to be for computer storage IMO.

The point is that MANY here are just as guilty (including the BDA companies) talking about anything bigger than BD50 and IMO even worse since none of them have even been approved like the aforementioned HD DVD discs were.

[genufett]

Originally Posted by PFC5

TL TWIN & TL HD51 discs have been shown. Granted they were lab discs and not mass production discs, but they did/do exist AND were approved just before the rug got pulled out.

Now we all have seen those BD400 disc "claims" but not ONE was a BD-ROM disc and they ALSO were only a lab disc. So HD51 & TL TWIN discs are less vapor ware than any of the BD discs that tout anything higher than DL BD50. Will they ever come? Possibly, but likely never for a movie disc on a BD-ROM, and are only going to be for computer storage IMO.

The point is that MANY here are just as guilty (including the BDA companies) talking about anything bigger than BD50 and IMO even worse since none of them have even been approved like the aforementioned HD DVD discs were.

Except I was talking about production discs and approved media.

[PFC5]

Originally Posted by genufett

Except I was talking about production discs and approved media.

I didn't see that, but it wasn't directed specifically towards you alone despite quoting you to make the post.

Sorry if I wasn't clear about that.