What Is The DVD Forum Doing With HD DVD, Gaming Perhaps?

[Studio Support]

Originally Posted by jjufon

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Hows that? M$ seems to be doing just fine with SD DVD. So far i haven't heard how BDs extra storage is helping the PS3.

It's not helping at all, its all hot air with Sony's PS3 advertising department.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Joe_news

Not supporting BluRay in their next console is stupid, but they could pull a Nintendo and say they are all about the games. MS does what it likes anyways, that said...I suppose they could have a combo drive. BluRay for movie playback, one time hardware fee for each system sold...but for games they avoid the BluRay licensing fee on each disk...that would make economic sense...and crush piracy all at the same time [since no one else will be supporting it by then at ALL]. I could actually see them doing this... Sega and Nintendo both enjoyed making their own disk formates... it could easily happen again. But will it? I'm indifferent, because at the end of the day its only a storage medium and I don't buy MS consoles, paying to play online is for suckers lol.

I feel the same way you do it. They could definitely do it, but would there be a demand and market for such a system? I have always played online PC games for free on public servers because I get plenty of enjoyment out of the Call of Duty series, the Medal of Honor series, and the Total War series. The best thing about it is it's free and I get to sit in my comfy computer chair to play instead of leaning over my couch and getting neck pains with a gaming console hooked up to a TV. Psst....don't tell anyone that video cards for PCs are still better than the cards in gaming consoles.

[kamspy]

[genufett]

Originally Posted by Super XP

Anything is possible right

No. As we already know, HD DVD production has been shut down in Japan and the US, and there is no HD DVD group. All that's left is the DVD Forum and China (which is .

Originally Posted by Super XP

Wouldn't this be interesting. The DVD Forum continues to support HD DVD, its still a great format and is has finished specifications, cheap to produce/press and available to anybody looking for something to work with ASAP. Who knows, maybe we will see HD DVD is a game console or something?

You're kidding, right? You just posted a document that says specifications weren't finished, and yet they magically are?

And as for Microsoft, they're aiming at reducing costs in their machines. This will reverse that. If folks here actually knew economics and business instead of constantly attempting to show off their "business" acumen and supposed insider knowledge, they'd see that.

Originally Posted by kamspy

Exactly. This isn't even a news blurb, it's a glorified blog post.

[MXCContestant]

You guys do realize it is possible to reopen production right? And from what we found out a few days ago, Toshiba owns the rights and the ability to sell/lease them to companies that ask.

What you guys don't get is if Microsoft is serious about Digital Distribution and it's use by 2018ish they wouldn't give consumers a choice between Blu Ray and Digital Downloads, you know like the Sony approach. How much money would Microsoft get selling or renting a download compared to a Xbox owner buying the same movie on Blu Ray?

Of course if it will indeed be HD DVD in the next Xbox it would probably be updated security wise to ensure old tricks won't work. For all we know they can license it out and change the name to something else like MSFTD,

[Cowboy X]

Originally Posted by Studio Support

It's not helping at all, its all hot air with Sony's PS3 advertising department.

Actually it has helped in one title or I should say that it may help in one title. ID software's new game "Rage", will have decreased image quality compared to the PS3 because a lot of the game info (likely textures) would result in ID having to use 3 discs for the 360 version. Carmack at ID has said that he would not be doing this unless MS reduces the license fees ............... apparently they pay per disc rather than per game or product (was news to me when I heard it). So if Carmack sticks to his guns the PS3 will have a better game.

Of course this is all hot air as ID could also release the improvements as a patch which those with internet access and 360 harddrive space could just download. Especially since the 360 is pushing to get more games playable off of th hadrdrvie.

[Dare]

If they're smart they'll abandon discs for games and go back to rugged cartridges (known as cards these days ).

Fast load times, per-game expandability, immune to scratches, saving games right on the cards... why wouldn't you do that?

[The_Omega_Man]

Question which is actually ultimatly cheaper to mass produce and manufacture on a large scale?

DL BD drives + DL BD recorded media or TL HD DVD drives + TL HD DVD recorded media? Does anyone know the answers?

Will M$ really capitulate to the BDA and to it's more fiercest Game Console Competitor (Sony), just to have high density optical drive support in the XBOX console?

Just how many HD DVD drives did M$ order and actually buy for the HD DVD add on accessory? And is there any spare supply that could be incorporated into an XBOX variant? We pretty much already know how many BD drives M$ ordered and purchased for this purpose, so far.

On the copy protection front, I am not sure just how much something like this actually does for protecting XBOX gaming content as there are plenty of PC HD DVD ROM readers out there! (3 or 4 are actually in Laptops! ) There seem to be many dual Blue Laser format PC readers, still coming out.

On the movie front, M$ has already stated where their direction lies. It is not on the optical storage arena. It is XBOX-Live (DL & Steaming) or bust for them. They and Apple may be ahead of us all, in the wisdom category, on this one! Besides, any of these drives will play SD DVDs if you just want to watch disc based movies.

[h0mi]

if MS wants to use an HD DVD format disc, it would have to be a disc incompatible with existing HD DVD drives. Otherwise the attempts to block piracy will be for naught because my xbox 360 add on drive will read those HD DVD discs and be step 1 in being able to rip the discs. Coupled with continued availability of these drives & at cheap prices...

Blu-ray was better positioned to survive as a non video format than HD DVD was. If there is a way to increase the amount of space on an HD DVD layer to 25gb or beyond, it might be feasible to use instead of blu-ray. Otherwise, it's a lot of money spent to simply not use Blu-ray when DVD is becoming less and less sufficient for next gen video game hardware.

[PFC5]

Originally Posted by h0mi

if MS wants to use an HD DVD format disc, it would have to be a disc incompatible with existing HD DVD drives. Otherwise the attempts to block piracy will be for naught because my xbox 360 add on drive will read those HD DVD discs and be step 1 in being able to rip the discs. Coupled with continued availability of these drives & at cheap prices...

Blu-ray was better positioned to survive as a non video format than HD DVD was. If there is a way to increase the amount of space on an HD DVD layer to 25gb or beyond, it might be feasible to use instead of blu-ray. Otherwise, it's a lot of money spent to simply not use Blu-ray when DVD is becoming less and less sufficient for next gen video game hardware.

HUH?

BD discs cost much more and by many accounts at least twice as much to make, so I don't understand HOW you could say this.

[Super XP]

Originally Posted by genufett

No. As we already know, HD DVD production has been shut down in Japan and the US, and there is no HD DVD group. All that's left is the DVD Forum and China (which is .
You're kidding, right? You just posted a document that says specifications weren't finished, and yet they magically are?

And as for Microsoft, they're aiming at reducing costs in their machines. This will reverse that. If folks here actually knew economics and business instead of constantly attempting to show off their "business" acumen and supposed insider knowledge, they'd see that.

Exactly. This isn't even a news blurb, it's a glorified blog post.

You shouldn't try to lecture me on finished specs especially when you don't know what it means.

HD DVD already has finished specifications, its an already standardized format, all the DVD Forum is doing now is updating content and adding extra features and such to the already finished specifications. The difference is every single HD DVD player is capable of using any other features that may come down the road where as Blu-Ray has what 3 different profile based players, which are incompatible with one another in terms of features & such. It's bad enough BD is not even standardized yet, and will never due to the different player profiles out.

If you still don't know what "Finished Specs" means then why not do some net research O.K.

Originally Posted by Cowboy X

Actually it has helped in one title or I should say that it may help in one title. ID software's new game "Rage", will have decreased image quality compared to the PS3 because a lot of the game info (likely textures) would result in ID having to use 3 discs for the 360 version. Carmack at ID has said that he would not be doing this unless MS reduces the license fees ............... apparently they pay per disc rather than per game or product (was news to me when I heard it). So if Carmack sticks to his guns the PS3 will have a better game.

Of course this is all hot air as ID could also release the improvements as a patch which those with internet access and 360 harddrive space could just download. Especially since the 360 is pushing to get more games playable off of th hadrdrvie.

Over and over again the XBOX 360 has proven to have better PQ then the PS3 with the same games. I am talking about several months ago, right now not sure if that changed.

[Super XP]

Originally Posted by Dare

If they're smart they'll abandon discs for games and go back to rugged cartridges (known as cards these days ).

Fast load times, per-game expandability, immune to scratches, saving games right on the cards... why wouldn't you do that?

Because it would cost companies two arms and a leg if they ever went back to cartridges. Also cartridges are not environmentally friendly either.

Wow, can you imagine giving up an arm or even a leg just for the sake of cartridges

[kamspy]

Originally Posted by Super XP

....HD DVD already has finished specifications...

Yes. Their specifications are indeed finished (in more ways than you mean). That's the crux of what we're trying to explain to you.

MS isn't going to open up a replicator (retrofit whatever) just for console games.

[PFC5]

Kampsy, the HD DVD lines were already bought and the modifications can be added back to a line and constantly changed back and forth between HD DVD & SD DVD lines in the same day. This has NEVER been the problem. Now if you are talking about the HD DVD drive mfg lines that is a different story but that shouldn't be too hard either.

[kamspy]

Originally Posted by PFC5

Kampsy, the HD DVD lines were already bought and the modifications can be added back to a line and constantly changed back and forth between HD DVD & SD DVD lines in the same day. This has NEVER been the problem. Now if you are talking about the HD DVD drive mfg lines that is a different story but that shouldn't be too hard either.

Right. I was paying attention last year. I still think it would be more efficient to either go to a SS medium, or just stick with DVD and include massive HDDs. Computer games run fine with single DVDs because they are hiding a massive 12-15GB install when the file is unzipped. Xbox gamers would just have to get use to a lengthy install.

Or they could use BD.

I just think firing the old HD DVD kiln back up is a less than ideal transport for gaming media for them.