NON-SRT DVD Player from Toshiba coming NEXT WEEK for $149!!!!

10-15-2008, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by hatt

The XDE did just about disappear from conversation. Even the AVS thread just sees the occasional passer by. I guess people really don't want to settle for upconverted DVD after all. I wonder how long it will take this single frame SRT hype from Tosh/robertoy to blow over. And then maybe multiple frame SRT...never mind Tosh has figured out how to stay relevant on the forums for at least the next year.

I just saw my post was full of upconverting artefacts and barely readable. Sorry 'bout that. I blame it on being distracted with "work".

And yeah, too bad the AVS re-enactment thread is almost dead. I went there every day just to keep up with the latest b!tchslaps.

The_Omega_Man · 10-15-2008, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hatt

Tosh has figured out how to stay relevant on the forums for at least the next year.

And forever more! The HDM format battle will be discussed in the CE History books!

kamspy · 10-16-2008, 03:39 AM

dsskid · 10-16-2008, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kamspy

Kampsy, your post is in dire need of the XDE.

No surprise that the hoopla surrounding the XDE has greatly diminished.

$149 for the XDE for upconverted DVDs vs $249 for the Samsung 1500 ($219 which includes the $70 Matrix BD pkg through amazon right now) which plays BDs as well as DVDs upconverted. The Samsung 1500 is obviuosly the better value.

Now is the time for Toshiba to drop the player to $79 if they hope to move them.

BobY · 10-16-2008, 08:47 AM

The XD-E500 is currently selling for under $120 (which is still too much, IMHO, but it will certainly be under $100 before Christmas shopping season).

Whether one likes how it processes the picture or not is a matter of subjective taste, so there is no right or wrong position on the matter--it's strictly an individual decision (I, for example, found it produced a much better picture on my 30" CRT HDTV than my Samsung upscaler (which cost more than the XD-E500).

Really, though, I don't understand people who object to the XD-E500 on principle because it (horrors) modifies the video coming from the disc. The data on a DVD isn't some gold standard that has to be faithfully reproduced--the movie itself was already heavily modified when it was compressed and mapped to the DVD color space.

dsskid · 10-16-2008, 10:23 AM

I don't object to XDE. If someone likes it, they should buy it.

I stated that unless it gets down to around $79, J6P will probably opt for BD since it upconverts as well as plays BDs, and considering the current Samsung promotion, as well as the strong rumors of BD players being available for around $149 around Holiday time.

Robertoy · 10-16-2008, 10:54 AM

I agree with XD-E500 $99 price (or below...)

Regarding Samsung BD player, it seems that DVD upscale is better than Sony BDP-S350 or Panasonic DMP-BD50...

http://ultimateavmag.com/hddiscplaye...bd/index3.html
http://ultimateavmag.com/hddiscplaye...50/index3.html
http://ultimateavmag.com/hddiscplaye...er/index3.html

And Sony BDP-S350 has the "Precision Cinema HD Upscale" technology...
Sony CREAS: BD players/recorders with "Toshiba Killer" inside?

Roberto

dsskid · 10-16-2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Robertoy

I agree with XD-E500 $99 price (or below...)

Regarding Samsung BD player, it seems that DVD upscale is better than Sony BDP-S350 or Panasonic DMP-BD50...

http://ultimateavmag.com/hddiscplaye...bd/index3.html
http://ultimateavmag.com/hddiscplaye...50/index3.html
http://ultimateavmag.com/hddiscplaye...er/index3.html

And Sony BDP-S350 has the "Precision Cinema HD Upscale" technology...
Sony CREAS: BD players/recorders with "Toshiba Killer" inside?

Roberto

Thanks for the links

BobY · 10-16-2008, 11:49 AM

Hmmm, that brings up an interesting question:

Have any reviews compared the XD-E500 to Blu-Ray players upscaling DVD?

Obviously any Blu-Ray player is going to look better than the XD-E500 when playing a Blu-Ray disc, but I wonder how they compare on SD content...

dsskid · 10-16-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BobY

Hmmm, that brings up an interesting question:

Have any reviews compared the XD-E500 to Blu-Ray players upscaling DVD?

Obviously any Blu-Ray player is going to look better than the XD-E500 when playing a Blu-Ray disc, but I wonder how they compare on SD content...

I was waiting, but haven't heard of any. But IMO, I don't think that J6P would be able to tell the subtle difference between the upscaling anyway.

Robertoy · 10-16-2008, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AVCESAR

Technical verdict

So certainly, this DVD player is not perfect from a purely multimedia. It does no USB Host, and it does not grow compatible formats compressed at its height.
But for the playback of DVD video, it buries many of its competitors, including the most expensive. Indeed, some Blu-Ray players can not do as well with a DVD ... In fact, only its predecessor, the player HD-XE1 manages to match. To be convinced, just set the Toshiba E500 XD-1 080p, to connect via the HDMI to a broadcaster Full HD and sliding the disk test. Diagonals are perfect (no shear), the outlines are clear desire (no echo effect), the image is stuck (without adverse effect) and the dynamic is somewhat enhanced premium (without burning white Or butcher blacks). It also rediscovering movies with details in the backgrounds hitherto unsuspected. In short, the DVD player of the moment for those who want to give a new lease of life to its DVDthèque.

French > English

Some comments between XD-E500 and Oppo 983 ("Best of the best")

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Originally Posted by CNET

Standard DVD performance

While we're not fans of the various XDE modes on the XD-E500, you can disable them, which lets us compare the XD-E500's performance with that of other upscaling players.

We compared it directly with the Oppo DV-983H, and while the DV-983H definitely did a better job, but the difference was minor, as it often is when comparing upscaling DVD players..

http://reviews.cnet.com/video-player...?tag=mncol;lst

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Originally Posted by DisplayDaily

I received one of the first review units of Toshiba’s XD-E500 a couple of weeks ago and put it through its paces. This player can scale red laser DVDs to 720p and 1080p resolution with a 60 Hz refresh rate. It also offers native 24p output, a first for upconverting DVD players.

The processing engine inside the XD-E500 doesn’t come from Silicon Optix or Anchor Bay, two companies that have previously provided silicon for Toshiba. Instead, Zoran Corporation is the supplier for the XD-E500. Its Vaddi 966 processor is doing all the heavy lifting while also handling Dolby Digital audio decoding chores on the side.

How does it work? Pretty darn good, although I can’t say it’s substantially better than OPPO Digital’s best upconverting DVD player, the DV-983H (that one uses Anchor Bay VRS processing). But at $150, the XD-E500 costs half as much, making it the least expensive (and only) RL player available today with 24p output.

http://displaydaily.com/2008/09/15/d...-mad-get-even/

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Originally Posted by UltimateAVmag

Comparisons & Conclusion
My reference DVD player is the Oppo DV-983H, which costs $250 more than the XD-E500, but it also offers much more in terms of features and performance. Not only is it a fantastic DVD player, it also plays SACD and DVD-Audio discs, and it has a USB port for music, pictures, and firmware updates. Even without the added features, it's a better upscaling player with its Anchor Bay VRS processor. Its picture quality is superior to the Toshiba's with both test patterns and real-world material, which is worth every extra dollar. It delivers a sharper, more accurate picture without the ringing.

That's not to say the XD-E500 is a bad upscaling player, but it's far from ideal. First, Toshiba's promise of a near-HD experience with its enhanced picture modes doesn't deliver because they do more harm than good. Also, its inability to pass above-white and below-black and its stretching of 4:3 material are inexcusable at any price.

If $150 is the max you can spend on a DVD player, you may want to audition the Toshiba as well as other players in this price range. If you can stretch your budget above $150, there are better products that bring more to the screen.

Highs
Decent DVD upscaling
Fast navigation of discs
Minimal layer-change delay

Lows
Picture enhancements don't work as advertised
Cheap build quality
Poor remote
Doesn’t pass above-white or below-black

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/dvdplayers/1008toshdvd/

Roberto

BobY · 10-16-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dsskid

I was waiting, but haven't heard of any. But IMO, I don't think that J6P would be able to tell the subtle difference between the upscaling anyway.

Don't know. The XD-E500 looked obviously better on my CRT than my Samsung (which I though was pretty good and the main reason I bought that particular model).

But how they compare on a big, fixed-pixel display, I don't know.

I'm not sure how relevant the Oppo comparison is--are typical consumers even aware that Oppo exists? Meanwhile I can go into Circuit City or Best Buy and pick up an XDE-500 off the shelf.

BobY · 10-16-2008, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Robertoy

French > English

Some comments between XD-E500 and Oppo 983 ("Best of the best")

http://reviews.cnet.com/video-player...?tag=mncol;lst

http://displaydaily.com/2008/09/15/d...-mad-get-even/

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/dvdplayers/1008toshdvd/

Roberto

That's not my question, though. My question is how does it look compared to a Blu-Ray player when upscaling DVD?

I think it might be important in the decision making process to someone with a lot of DVD's if they were dithering between a $200 Blu-Ray player and an XD-E500 at $89.

Robertoy · 10-16-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BobY

My question is how does it look compared to a Blu-Ray player when upscaling DVD?

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVCESAR

But for the playback of DVD video, it buries many of its competitors, including the most expensive. Indeed, some Blu-Ray players can not do as well with a DVD ...

Roberto

Robertoy · 10-16-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BobY

Don't know. The XD-E500 looked obviously better on my CRT than my Samsung (which I though was pretty good and the main reason I bought that particular model).

But how they compare on a big, fixed-pixel display, I don't know,

It seems that XDE is more effective in "relative small" screens (until 42"...)

Quote:

[DVD]Demo DVD to new XDE ™ technology

Supposedly the system works at up to 42 "devices, depending on the source material, pretty good.

German > English

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Originally Posted by zombie10k

I've had this player since the first week it was released and put a good number of movies through it.

XDE500 -> Samsung 40" 1080P

XDE500 -> Mitsubishi HC5500 FP 1080P on a 92" Dalite HP screen.

I recently purchased an Oppo 983 to compare the XDE500 with because I wasn't thrilled with the appearance of most DVD's on the 92" screen. I now see what all the fuss is about with the 983. I can't image DVD's looking much better than this.

I realize there is a large price difference, but believe the Oppo 983 is the SD leader if you are very particular about the image quality or have a large viewing area.

I still like the XDE500, but the Oppo 983 has got me interested in my DVD's once again.

Why in the XD-E500 launch the player was connected to a 42" LCD TV, side by side with a standard dvd player and BD player? (and not in a bigger screen like a REGZA 52"...)
http://marketnews.ca/news_detail.asp?nid=3994

Roberto

10-16-2008, 10:23 AM	#1986
dsskid ISF Calibrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Age: 49 Posts: 4,946	I don't object to XDE. If someone likes it, they should buy it. I stated that unless it gets down to around $79, J6P will probably opt for BD since it upconverts as well as plays BDs, and considering the current Samsung promotion, as well as the strong rumors of BD players being available for around $149 around Holiday time. __________________ Displays are like 100% cotton t-shirts. Always buy a size larger than you think you'll need, because they tend to shrink over time. Professional reviews of displays are an excellent tool, but the final decision should come from using your own eyes. Living Room - Panasonic TH58PZ700U, Panasonic DMP-BDT215, Denon AVR-1911 Man-Cave - Pioneer Kuro Elite Pro-111FD, Pioneer Kuro BDP-320, Denon AVR-591BA, PS3 RIP L2W, PFC5 & Kosty

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10-16-2008, 08:47 AM	#1985
BobY What's all this, then?... Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,197	The XD-E500 is currently selling for under $120 (which is still too much, IMHO, but it will certainly be under $100 before Christmas shopping season). Whether one likes how it processes the picture or not is a matter of subjective taste, so there is no right or wrong position on the matter--it's strictly an individual decision (I, for example, found it produced a much better picture on my 30" CRT HDTV than my Samsung upscaler (which cost more than the XD-E500). Really, though, I don't understand people who object to the XD-E500 on principle because it (horrors) modifies the video coming from the disc. The data on a DVD isn't some gold standard that has to be faithfully reproduced--the movie itself was already heavily modified when it was compressed and mapped to the DVD color space.

10-16-2008, 10:54 AM	#1987
Robertoy High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 820	I agree with XD-E500 $99 price (or below...) Regarding Samsung BD player, it seems that DVD upscale is better than Sony BDP-S350 or Panasonic DMP-BD50... http://ultimateavmag.com/hddiscplaye...bd/index3.html http://ultimateavmag.com/hddiscplaye...50/index3.html http://ultimateavmag.com/hddiscplaye...er/index3.html And Sony BDP-S350 has the "Precision Cinema HD Upscale" technology... Sony CREAS: BD players/recorders with "Toshiba Killer" inside? Roberto

10-16-2008, 11:49 AM	#1989
BobY What's all this, then?... Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,197	Hmmm, that brings up an interesting question: Have any reviews compared the XD-E500 to Blu-Ray players upscaling DVD? Obviously any Blu-Ray player is going to look better than the XD-E500 when playing a Blu-Ray disc, but I wonder how they compare on SD content...