Why did HD DVD lose the Format War!!!

**PFC5** · 07-23-2008, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by vikingfan

IF IF IF

If all studios released on both fromats then then the BDA would have had to compete on the prices of standalones with Toshiba.

(And this would have been BAD for consumers HOW exactly???)

What if both formats launched at the exact same time, then what would have happened?

(Then BD would have been even MORE unfinished since they were not even read when they DID launch only 2 months later, how would that have gone considering BD was losing until the PS3 came out and they started the 1/2 price BD movie sales. Hello???)

What if a format neutral studio like WB would have released all titles on both formats right from the beginning?

(Ummmm. News flash..... Warner DID release titles on BOTH formats from the beginning.

)

It is, what it is, and I'm

it is.

Answers in red.

vikingfan · 07-23-2008, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PFC5

Answers in red.

Did WB release EVERY title on BD that they released on HDDVD?

NO. (Did that all throw you off?)

If both formats were to be released at the same time, that would mean BOTH were ready, since this is the IF game were playing.

**PFC5** · 07-23-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ssjLancer

You forgot one more. By the most conservative estimates, Blu Ray is still on its way to surpass DVD in a similiar period in time.
http://www.dvdinformation.com/News/press/CES010807.htm

They have NOT done it yet and it is without adjusting for inflation and the lower dollar value compared to back then, to be a little technical.

Oh, and are these not MARKETING people who are saying this? If you believe what marketers say then maybe they can sell you the Brooklyn Bridge?

Truth is that salesmen lie, and that is what marketing groups ARE..... Salesmen. Maybe they will be right and maybe they won't be. We just have to wait and see.

hatt · 07-23-2008, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PFC5

They have NOT done it yet and it is without adjusting for inflation and the lower dollar value compared to back then, to be a little technical.

Should get into the ballpark however.

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Originally Posted by Stew4HD

How do you figure that BD is in DVD's ballpark?

You don't think BD is going to see more than $200M in the second half of the year? See, ballpark. Or does BD have to surpass to be in the ballpark?

**PFC5** · 07-23-2008, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by scsa

Guess what Dare just because one movie made more then Blu-ray has made doesn't mean anything I mean guess what all those movies will be on Blu-ray not HD-DVD and they will help improve the numbers for Blu-ray not HD-DVD and guess what the movies made more then HD-DVD has made period while blu-ray is going to continue to make more and more money while HD-DVD is basically done making money since no more movies will be coming for it anymore.

Which is WHY none of us should be taking this so seriously and should just have fun having a discussion just for the fun of it.

Doesn't that sound better to everyone?

Dare · 07-23-2008, 08:12 PM

I missed that comment from scsa. Dang this lag... LOL

scsa, I never mentioned HD-DVD. HD-DVD has nothing to do with anything.

scsa · 07-23-2008, 08:15 PM

Dare read the title of this tread it has to do with HD-DVD and you guys are saying oh the movies are doing better than Blu-ray is doing well it is doing better than HD-DVD has ever done so be unbiased at least and mention that too.

Dare · 07-23-2008, 08:17 PM

BTW, you can't look at dollar for dollar made by DVD at inception plus one year vs. BD at inception plus one year. It doesn't quite work that way.

Lee is the king of links, so maybe he can help out here.

What we need is, money made by DVD in its second year, money made by the entire video industry in that same year, DVD's percentage of the market in that year, money made by BD in its second year, money made by the entire video industry in that same year, BD's percentage of the market in that year, and DVD's second year percentage vs. BD's second year percentage.

There, that ought to do it.

Dare · 07-23-2008, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by scsa

Dare read the title of this tread it has to do with HD-DVD and you guys are saying oh the movies are doing better than Blu-ray is doing well it is doing better than HD-DVD has ever done so be unbiased at least and mention that too.

Okay, HD-DVD will make zero, and any randomly picked movie will make infinity times more than the entire HD-DVD format.

Unfortunately, that doesn't change Blu-ray's fortunes one bit, and is completely irrelevant to what I was saying by the way.

See why I wasn't talking about HD-DVD?

Stew4HD · 07-23-2008, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by hatt

Should get into the ballpark however.

You don't think BD is going to see more than $200M in the second half of the year? See, ballpark. Or does BD have to surpass to be in the ballpark?

Getting all defensive, I see.. so very typical.

So, are BD players selling well as of late? That is the true measure of success, IMO. Me thinks not but ... just wait until the holidays, right?

So BD is doing great by you. That's nice.

Thay aren't getting any of money as of late... unless netflix counts as $ to them.

scsa · 07-23-2008, 08:22 PM

Ok fair enough just that this topic was brought on by super xp as a way to bring up HD-DVD again which should be left burried like it should be since its been dead for months but no he can't except that so he made this topic.

Lee Stewart · 07-23-2008, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dare

BTW, you can't look at dollar for dollar made by DVD at inception plus one year vs. BD at inception plus one year. It doesn't quite work that way.

Lee is the king of links, so maybe he can help out here.

What we need is, money made by DVD in its second year, money made by the entire video industry in that same year, DVD's percentage of the market in that year, money made by BD in its second year, money made by the entire video industry in that same year, BD's percentage of the market in that year, and DVD's second year percentage vs. BD's second year percentage.

There, that ought to do it.

Stats for 2000 and forward:

http://www.videobusiness.com/info/CA626813.html

An article(s) about 1999:

http://news.cnet.com/DVD-sales-see-h..._3-235034.html

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...39/ai_59426634

The_Omega_Man · 07-23-2008, 08:58 PM

First question: Do we here, really miss the alleged format "War," so much that we still need to rehash it over and over?

Second Question: Why would (the collective) we, bother to compare 2007 DVD sales numbers against 2008 BD sales numbers and think that this is actually relevant in any way?

IMO. 2008 BD movie sales should only be compared to 2008 DVD movie sales (For total sales and of the same movies), if you want any usable market segment indicators.

Then do the same for 2007 sales and then the overall sales trend becomes much more obvious.

DVD had a different market, at the the time, to capture than does BD, so I'm not even sure that there is enough similarities between BD and DVD, to even draw a useful comparison.

To the OP, HD DVD and what really happened there, may make good reading one day, but has no real bearing (other than learning from one's mistakes or potential DOJ actions if any fair trade laws were violated in the process

) on the future of HDM solutions and products. IMO.

ssjLancer · 07-23-2008, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Omega_Man

IMO. 2008 BD movie sales should only be compared to 2008 DVD movie sales (For total sales and of the same movies), if you want any usable market segment indicators. Then do the same for 2007 sales and then the overall sales trend becomes much more obvious.

DVD had a different market, at the the time, to capture than does BD, so I'm not even sure that there is enough similarities between BD and DVD, to even draw a useful comparison.

If you dont wanna compare the adoption curve of each format then.. well, you really cant compare anything at all that would be more relevant at his moment.
We'll have to wait 20 years from now when both formats are completely dead and then tally up all the sales each was able to make. Its just no fun to wait that long.

The_Omega_Man · 07-23-2008, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ssjLancer

If you dont wanna compare the adoption curve of each format then.. well, you really cant compare anything at all that would be more relevant at his moment.
We'll have to wait 20 years from now when both formats are completely dead and then tally up all the sales each was able to make. Its just no fun to wait that long.

The adoption curves are only really relevant when you have the same type of conditions and/or technologies, compared at consistent intervals. IMO

So BD in mo.1-6 of 2007 as compared to BD in mo.1-6 of 2008. = (Blu-Berries to Blu-Berries) Relevant enough to build a useful trend analysis.

Not BD in mo.1-12 of 2007 as compaired to DVD or even BD in mo. 1-6 of 2008!

07-23-2008, 08:12 PM	#111
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07-23-2008, 08:15 PM	#112
scsa High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,107	Dare read the title of this tread it has to do with HD-DVD and you guys are saying oh the movies are doing better than Blu-ray is doing well it is doing better than HD-DVD has ever done so be unbiased at least and mention that too. __________________ BLU-RAY Movies (27) Donnie Darko, Twister, Me Myself and Irene, Austin Powers 1, Austin Powers 2, Austin Powers 3, Friday the 13th, Halloween 1980, Halloween (2007), Smallville season 7, Freddy Vs Jason,Iron man, Transformers, Sarah Connor Chronicles. Independence Day, and Tropic Thunder,Die Hard, Die Harder, Die Hard with a Vengeance, Die hard 4,The Dark Knight, the matrix, The Matrix 2, The matrix 3, Spiderman, Spiderman 2, Spiderman 3. [/b][/color] [/color][/b]

07-23-2008, 08:17 PM	#113
Dare I moon you. Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 4,437	BTW, you can't look at dollar for dollar made by DVD at inception plus one year vs. BD at inception plus one year. It doesn't quite work that way. Lee is the king of links, so maybe he can help out here. What we need is, money made by DVD in its second year, money made by the entire video industry in that same year, DVD's percentage of the market in that year, money made by BD in its second year, money made by the entire video industry in that same year, BD's percentage of the market in that year, and DVD's second year percentage vs. BD's second year percentage. There, that ought to do it. __________________ LG GGC-H20L Super Multi Blue Blu-ray & HD DVD ROM Drive 58 31

07-23-2008, 08:22 PM	#116
scsa High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,107	Ok fair enough just that this topic was brought on by super xp as a way to bring up HD-DVD again which should be left burried like it should be since its been dead for months but no he can't except that so he made this topic. __________________ BLU-RAY Movies (27) Donnie Darko, Twister, Me Myself and Irene, Austin Powers 1, Austin Powers 2, Austin Powers 3, Friday the 13th, Halloween 1980, Halloween (2007), Smallville season 7, Freddy Vs Jason,Iron man, Transformers, Sarah Connor Chronicles. Independence Day, and Tropic Thunder,Die Hard, Die Harder, Die Hard with a Vengeance, Die hard 4,The Dark Knight, the matrix, The Matrix 2, The matrix 3, Spiderman, Spiderman 2, Spiderman 3. [/b][/color] [/color][/b]

07-23-2008, 08:58 PM	#118
The_Omega_Man Don't touch the remote! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Encino,CA Posts: 3,431	First question: Do we here, really miss the alleged format "War," so much that we still need to rehash it over and over? Second Question: Why would (the collective) we, bother to compare 2007 DVD sales numbers against 2008 BD sales numbers and think that this is actually relevant in any way? IMO. 2008 BD movie sales should only be compared to 2008 DVD movie sales (For total sales and of the same movies), if you want any usable market segment indicators. Then do the same for 2007 sales and then the overall sales trend becomes much more obvious. DVD had a different market, at the the time, to capture than does BD, so I'm not even sure that there is enough similarities between BD and DVD, to even draw a useful comparison. To the OP, HD DVD and what really happened there, may make good reading one day, but has no real bearing (other than learning from one's mistakes or potential DOJ actions if any fair trade laws were violated in the process) on the future of HDM solutions and products. IMO. __________________ Lvng Rm Sony KF50WE610 HDTV D* HR-21 HD DVR XA2 HD DVD Onkyo TX-NR905 JVC HR-S3500U S-VHS Hrmony One Energy Encore 5.1 Spkr Mstr Bdrm Tosh 46XF550U HDTV XA2 HD DVD D* HR-21 HD DVR Onkyo TX-SR606 Hrmony 659 Polk 5.1 Spkr Office Samy LNS3252D HDTV D* HR-20 HD DVR A2 HD DVD Sony RDR-HX715 DVD Rec. Fisher FVH-4910 VHS Onkyo TX-SR674 Psyclone PSC47 HDMI Sw. Hrmony 550 Polk RM6750 5.1 Spkr Gst Rm Samy UN46B7100 HDTV D* HR10 HD DVR XBOX360 Elite+HD DVD PS3 60GB Onkyo TX-SR704 Energy C-7 Spkr Hrmony 880

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