Why did HD DVD lose the Format War!!!

Stew4HD · 07-23-2008, 05:20 PM

Wow, Dare, that kind of puts it in perspective how slow this format has taken off

h0mi · 07-23-2008, 05:22 PM

If HD-DVD had the kind of support from the studios and retailers that people believed it to have, it would not have collapsed so quickly- Toshiba wouldn't have thrown in the towel so soon. Netflix, Walmart, Best Buy, Paramount & Universal wouldn't have abandoned it in February. In the end, Warner supported the format more than any other company which speaks volumes about how into the format Universal & Paramount really were.

And that's part of the problem. Being as indifferent to the format as they were, they didn't expend the effort to make HD-DVDs look as good as they could, what few they bothered to release. So many looked mediocre and were consistently outdone by Blu-rays from Sony and Disney who made a concerted effort to promote the format and make blu-ray win the format.

Dare · 07-23-2008, 05:35 PM

Well now, I think you're generalizing here. Universal and Paramount were responsible for some spectacular reference quality movies on HD-DVD, and Sony put out some truly horrendous Blu-rays. There were examples of good and bad on both formats.

Lee Stewart · 07-23-2008, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Stew4HD

Wow, Dare, that kind of puts it in perspective how slow this format has taken off

But . . . but . . . but it's up 300%!

vikingfan · 07-23-2008, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PFC5

To those who keep saying that BD one all those weeks in 2007, what would have happened IF all studios supported BOTH formats for the first year? Do you STILL think BD would have won those weeks with the higher prices for players?

IF IF IF

If all studios released on both fromats then then the BDA would have had to compete on the prices of standalones with Toshiba.

What if both formats launched at the exact same time, then what would have happened?

What if a format neutral studio like WB would have released all titles on both formats right from the beginning?

It is, what it is, and I'm

it is.

railven · 07-23-2008, 05:46 PM

Glad to see the format war still rages on at HDF!

StewHD said it best - theory. I'll accept theory, but facts, nah.

Anyways, lets see who wins this Format War rekindle round, the Red Bois or the Blu Birds (new terms I picked up while scouring the internets!)

Stew4HD · 07-23-2008, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by railven

Glad to see the format war still rages on at HDF!

StewHD said it best - theory. I'll accept theory, but facts, nah.

Anyways, lets see who wins this Format War rekindle round, the Red Bois or the Blu Birds (new terms I picked up while scouring the internets!)

I am going to bet on the black horse, this time!

ssjLancer · 07-23-2008, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dare

And in spite of all that, Blu-ray still has barely registered.

In five days, The Dark Knight has made more money at the box office than all of the money every title combined on the entire Blu-ray format has made in the accumulated time since January 1, 2008 to today (July 23, 2008).

That's just one movie.

Indy 4 made half again more at the box office as the entire Blu-ray format in 2008.

Hancock has made as much at the box office as the entire Blu-ray format in 2008.

Kung-Fu Panda has made as much at the box office as the entire Blu-ray format in 2008.

Iron Man made half again more at the box office as the entire Blu-ray format in 2008.

Wall-E will have made as much at the box office in a few days as the entire Blu-ray format in 2008.

And there are a lot more movies out there. I wouldn't be too proud of Blu-ray for beating HD-DVD. They were two gnats fighting on an elephant's butt.

You forgot one more. By the most conservative estimates, Blu Ray is still on its way to surpass DVD in a similiar period in time.
http://www.dvdinformation.com/News/press/CES010807.htm

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YEAR DVD SALES (billions)
1999 $0.7

Dare · 07-23-2008, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by railven

Glad to see the format war still rages on at HDF!

StewHD said it best - theory. I'll accept theory, but facts, nah.

Anyways, lets see who wins this Format War rekindle round, the Red Bois or the Blu Birds (new terms I picked up while scouring the internets!)

I don't get the continuing slamming of HD-DVD. It's dead. Nobody makes it anymore. So who cares?

Blu-ray is the one on the hot seat now. That's the format that has to put up or shut up. That's the one that deserves all the scrutiny.

hatt · 07-23-2008, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ssjLancer

You forgot one more. By the most conservative estimates, Blu Ray is still on its way to surpass DVD in a similiar period in time.
http://www.dvdinformation.com/News/press/CES010807.htm

Oh look, new formats start off slow. Who would of thunk that.

Lee Stewart · 07-23-2008, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ssjLancer

You forgot one more. By the most conservative estimates, Blu Ray is still on its way to surpass DVD in a similiar period in time.
http://www.dvdinformation.com/News/press/CES010807.htm

BD has done $200 million in the first 6 months.

So you are saying it will do greater than $500 million for the next 6 months? With less than $9 million a week so far for July?

Hey - whatever you are smoking - PLEASE pass it!.

ssjLancer · 07-23-2008, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

BD has done $200 million in the first 6 months.

So you are saying it will do greater than $500 million for the next 6 months? With less than $9 million a week so far for July?

Hey - whatever you are smoking - PLEASE pass it!.

I never said it. The people that get paid to make predictions did.

railven · 07-23-2008, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Stew4HD

I am going to bet on the black horse, this time!

Why am I not surprised?

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Originally Posted by Dare

I don't get the continuing slamming of HD-DVD. It's dead. Nobody makes it anymore. So who cares?

Blu-ray is the one on the hot seat now. That's the format that has to put up or shut up. That's the one that deserves all the scrutiny.

I agree. BD has a lot to still deliver. But, seems like revisiting subjects is what this place does best. That and the back and forth by some users.

Oh well, I'm not a MOD. [Beat you too it Lee

]

vikingfan · 07-23-2008, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

BD has done $200 million in the first 6 months.

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6579661.html

"Although Blu-ray titles are sold at a hefty premium to standard DVD, consumers believe BD is a relative deal compared to other leisure options, say studios. That is reflected in BD spending north of $200 million year-to-date through June, up about 300% from the same 2007 frame."

That would mean more than $200m, but less than $300m. Funny how you keep stating $200 mil as fact.

Lee Stewart · 07-23-2008, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ssjLancer

I never said it. The people that get paid to make predictions did.

Oh - you just quoted it for fun!

With your name on the post.

OK.

07-23-2008, 05:22 PM	#77
h0mi High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 293	If HD-DVD had the kind of support from the studios and retailers that people believed it to have, it would not have collapsed so quickly- Toshiba wouldn't have thrown in the towel so soon. Netflix, Walmart, Best Buy, Paramount & Universal wouldn't have abandoned it in February. In the end, Warner supported the format more than any other company which speaks volumes about how into the format Universal & Paramount really were. And that's part of the problem. Being as indifferent to the format as they were, they didn't expend the effort to make HD-DVDs look as good as they could, what few they bothered to release. So many looked mediocre and were consistently outdone by Blu-rays from Sony and Disney who made a concerted effort to promote the format and make blu-ray win the format. __________________ : 26 (1 dupe) : 45 "(Format) War's long done. We're all just folk now."

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Dare I moon you. Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 4,437	Well now, I think you're generalizing here. Universal and Paramount were responsible for some spectacular reference quality movies on HD-DVD, and Sony put out some truly horrendous Blu-rays. There were examples of good and bad on both formats. __________________ LG GGC-H20L Super Multi Blue Blu-ray & HD DVD ROM Drive 58 31

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07-23-2008, 05:20 PM	#76
Stew4HD High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 9,068	Wow, Dare, that kind of puts it in perspective how slow this format has taken off

07-23-2008, 05:46 PM	#81
railven High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,724	Glad to see the format war still rages on at HDF! StewHD said it best - theory. I'll accept theory, but facts, nah. Anyways, lets see who wins this Format War rekindle round, the Red Bois or the Blu Birds (new terms I picked up while scouring the internets!)