Why did HD DVD lose the Format War!!!

sigill · 07-23-2008, 12:34 PM

This is a largely irrelevent topic now. Many people believe HD DVD should have won the format war myself included, but its time to accept that it didnt. Blu-ray is the best choice for high definition home entertainment for the forseeable future. I cant understand why anybody would deny themselves the latest movie release's in HD just because of brand loyalty.

sigill · 07-23-2008, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by HarD-DVD

I still don't think that HD-DVD have "lost" anything. Movies are still being made in HD-DVD. Blu Ray sales are still struggling.

How can you state that HD-DVD hasnt lost anything. Machine's are no longer being manufactured, new movie's arent being produced and it lost the format war. What else is there to lose?

Chris Gerhard · 07-23-2008, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sigill

How can you state that HD-DVD hasnt lost anything. Machine's are no longer being manufactured, new movie's arent being produced and it lost the format war. What else is there to lose?

It hasn't lost HarD-DVD and SuperXP as supporters.

Chris

HD Goofnut · 07-23-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard

It hasn't lost HarD-DVD and SuperXP as supporters.

Chris

Or you, hatt, lancer, and bmore to belittle it.

h0mi · 07-23-2008, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bruceames

True, percentage-wise, HD DVD gained very little, but had Paramount not gone HD DVD exclusive, then Blu-ray probably would have blitzed HD DVD in Q4. Many were predicting 80:20 (or worse) for Q4 if I recall correctly.

This was indicative of HD-DVD hanging on, not actually having momentum and making gains. They still managed to lose weeks at a rate of 70/30 or worse, and any week where they did better than 65/35 would be balanced with a week where they did much worse. The promise of cheaper players translating to more disc sales never materialized. Those 100k $100 players sold on Black Friday or at Walmart in December never translated into new HD-DVD disc purchases on a scale that should've been expected. And nevermind the fact that these players were outsold by blu-rays costing $150 more.

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Also HD DVD didn't release nearly what they could have in Q4, and that really throttled their progress. Paramount went HD DVD exclusive, sure, but they didn't put out much afterwards...

But that's just it. No momentum. No plan for Xmas season when there'd be the most sales.

sigill · 07-23-2008, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard

It hasn't lost HarD-DVD and SuperXP as supporters.

Chris

I dont think it ever will, do you

**bruceames** · 07-23-2008, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sigill

This is a largely irrelevent topic now. Many people believe HD DVD should have won the format war myself included, but its time to accept that it didnt. Blu-ray is the best choice for high definition home entertainment for the forseeable future. I cant understand why anybody would deny themselves the latest movie release's in HD just because of brand loyalty.

Discussing past events does not change the future, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be discussed. Also, it's rather narrow-minded to assume that wanting to discuss it indicates an inability to move on.

sigill · 07-23-2008, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by h0mi

This was indicative of HD-DVD hanging on, not actually having momentum and making gains. They still managed to lose weeks at a rate of 70/30 or worse, and any week where they did better than 65/35 would be balanced with a week where they did much worse. The promise of cheaper players translating to more disc sales never materialized. Those 100k $100 players sold on Black Friday or at Walmart in December never translated into new HD-DVD disc purchases on a scale that should've been expected. And nevermind the fact that these players were outsold by blu-rays costing $150 more.

But that's just it. No momentum. No plan for Xmas season when there'd be the most sales.

Indeed Toshiba where relying on the fact that super cheap player's would save the day for them but it didnt happen. No matter how low they sold there HD DVD players for , they didn't gain the momentum required to challenge BD sale's.

bmore · 07-23-2008, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Or you, hatt, lancer, and bmore to belittle it.

I beg to differ. HarD DVD etc. belittle the format more than I/we ever could by their flamebait posts and threads and fabricated stories.

HD Goofnut · 07-23-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bmore

I beg to differ. HarD DVD etc. belittle the format more than I/we ever could by their flamebait posts and threads and fabricated stories.

That guy has always had mental problems that he can't control. You on other hand know exactly what you are doing when you attack posters for not bowing down and kissing BD's feet or for disagreeing with your points.

sigill · 07-23-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bruceames

Discussing past events does not change the future, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be discussed. Also, it's rather narrow-minded to assume that wanting to discuss it indicates an inability to move on.

I'm not saying that past events should not be discussed. All HD topic's should be discussed be it past, present or future. I just feel if more people were to embrace the format that has survived we may have a better chance of pushing it forward enough to enable it to be a mainstream technology.

bmore · 07-23-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

That guy has always had mental problems that he can't control. You on other hand know exactly what you are doing when you attack posters for not bowing down and kissing BD's feet or for disagreeing with your points.

Who am I, Xerces? I ask nothing of no one. I just don't like FUD and hypocrisy, which are two of the top entrees around here.

HD Goofnut · 07-23-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bmore

Who am I, Xerces? I ask nothing of no one. I just don't like FUD and hypocrisy, which are two of the top entrees around here.

It's good to see that your "vacation" got your "mind right", at least a little bit

**PFC5** · 07-23-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Deja Vu

Nothing new here - I'd heard all of this from various sources long ago. Why would this surprise anyone after Paramount? The fact remains that Sony turned a dire situation around to its ultimate advantage. Strange that Toshiba didn't have a mole at WB like Sony had at Fox. We'll have to wait awhile to see how the HD disc thing plays out with the consumer. Personally I'm not confident that HD DVD would have gained mass acceptance if it had won - the studios are here to rape formats - period. I'll give BD one more year - at that time (3 years old) I'll either be able to walk into any DVD rental store and rent BD or I can't. If I can't then BD will be a niche product like LD - bigger and better, but still a niche. If I can then it has gained mass acceptance and DVD will either share the spotlight with it or slowly die out. Can Toshiba resurrect DVD? The next year should be interesting.

I agree that although insiders have told me this DID happened pretty much this way (with money or rather incentive amounts differing a little), so what at this point?

Sony played a more ruthless version of the same game Toshiba played with the Paramount deal as evidence of them playing the same game. It was a war and Sony played to win and Toshiba didn't or at the least underestimated their opponent. Hindsight is "usually" 20/20 except for a few people who never see things as they were.

We need to get past this at this point IMO, since we have what we have and nothing will change that. I still think HD DVD had a better shot and would have won had all studios released in both formats for the first year to truly let the consumer decide and saw which was doing better, but it is water under the bridge at this point.

we will never likely know all that went on behind the scenes in the war and it might make fascinating reading and hopefully is accurately shown in book and/or a movie. That is one story I would definitely be buying as I guess many here would.

I just ask that everyone keep the posts clean here.

anythingwt · 07-23-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bmore

I beg to differ. HarD DVD etc. belittle the format more than I/we ever could by their flamebait posts and threads and fabricated stories.

Bmore, you're back!

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