Why did HD DVD lose the Format War!!!

ack_bak · 07-24-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

Agreed.

Now people can we all just get along in this thread and in the forums. Anyway who on earth started this thread anyway?

I did and for a very good reason. Let's have intelligent conversation. Whether you agree with the blog or whatever it is or you don’t, I would love to hear your input and opinion. But the name calling and bashing must go away please.

Now let’s discuss and have fun OK.

It is hard to have an intelligent conversation around your original post. It is all speculation from somebody who is clearly bias. If Sony paid all the money you claimed they did to buy off studios and retailers, they would have to disclose it during their quarterly reporting per Sarbanes Oxley. You cannot hide a billion or so dollars as you claimed they paid out. This entire thread seems more flamebait than anything else..

HD Goofnut · 07-24-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

Do you know what I truly think? If Toshiba pulls this Super Resolution DVD players off this can have an extremely positive effect on High Definition overall including a spike in Blu-Ray sales.

You got to think out of the box, who knows if it’s that good maybe Toshiba will licence the technology for HDTV’s and BD players. It’s up in the air, so nobody really knows.

As for this topic, well it makes for a great read. Nobody really knows what happened behind the doors we can only speculate at this time. But IMO Sony paid their way to destroy HD DVD in every way possible by bribes and pay-offs. Remember folks this is my opinion. HD DVD had a hand in their own fate in terms of stupid marketing and lack of overall interest IMO.

Sony is well known for doing shit like this all the time and more people do not trust Sony than the once which do.

I think it may very well be beneficial especially if it helps the public to understand what constitutes HD in the first place.

Dare · 07-24-2008, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

Do you know what I truly think? If Toshiba pulls this Super Resolution DVD players off this can have an extremely positive effect on High Definition overall including a spike in Blu-Ray sales.

I think the opposite. Tosh is going to show people their version of upconversion and tell them "This is real HD, this is it, better than the real thing!", but people looking at it aren't going to be able to discern any difference from regular upconverted SD, and think HD isn't all that. It's a huge distraction. Let's finally be honest here, they're sour-graping Blu-ray. Admit it.

As far as I'm concerned, I say let them. Nobody so far has noticed except for us. It probably won't make any difference anyway.

Ultimately I don't think people care, even if they could see a difference. They really do have better things to do with their lives than watch TV, like surf the net and talk on their iPhones.

Super XP · 07-24-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ack_bak

It is hard to have an intelligent conversation around your original post. It is all speculation from somebody who is clearly bias. If Sony paid all the money you claimed they did to buy off studios and retailers, they would have to disclose it during their quarterly reporting per Sarbanes Oxley. You cannot hide a billion or so dollars as you claimed they paid out. This entire thread seems more flamebait than anything else..

You do recall Sony lost over 3.5 Billion right? And part of that was due to the PS3, how about the rest? When their is a way their is a will.

The_Omega_Man · 07-24-2008, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dare

I think the opposite. Tosh is going to show people their version of upconversion and tell them "This is real HD, this is it, better than the real thing!", but people looking at it aren't going to be able to discern any difference from regular upconverted SD, and think HD isn't all that. It's a huge distraction. Let's finally be honest here, they're sour-graping Blu-ray. Admit it.

As far as I'm concerned, I say let them. Nobody so far has noticed except for us. It probably won't make any difference anyway.

Ultimately I don't think people care, even if they could see a difference. They really do have better things to do with their lives than watch TV, like surf the net and talk on their iPhones.

Well if you have to do absolutely NOTHING different from what you are used to doing and you Believe that with a modest one time investment (speculation on my part), you are now getting more/better (subjective) than what you had yesterday, what would you do?

Lee Stewart · 07-24-2008, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dare

I think the opposite. Tosh is going to show people their version of upconversion and tell them "This is real HD, this is it, better than the real thing!", but people looking at it aren't going to be able to discern any difference from regular upconverted SD, and think HD isn't all that. It's a huge distraction. Let's finally be honest here, they're sour-graping Blu-ray. Admit it.

I see it differently. It's a good business move on Toshiba's part - do everything they can to extend the life of DVD. They are making a ton of money on DVD every year in IP's. Keep that goose that is laying the golden eggs alive for as long as you can.

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As far as I'm concerned, I say let them. Nobody so far has noticed except for us. It probably won't make any difference anyway.

Very few people - if any - even know that SRT exists outside of these HD/HT forums. It will be up to Toshiba to change that.

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Ultimately I don't think people care, even if they could see a difference. They really do have better things to do with their lives than watch TV, like surf the net and talk on their iPhones.

If they don't care then why should they care about BD?

Isn't SRT a better method to improve PQ? Just as BD is. You need an HDTV for both.

The_Omega_Man · 07-24-2008, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

I see it differently. It's a good business move on Toshiba's part - do everything they can to extend the life of DVD. They are making a ton of money on DVD every year in IP's. Keep that goose that is laying the golden eggs alive for as long as you can.

Very few people - if any - even know that SRT exists outside of these HD/HT forums. It will be up to Toshiba to change that.

If they don't care then why should they care about BD?

Isn't SRT a better method to improve PQ? Just as BD is. You need an HDTV for both.

Or do you???????

anythingwt · 07-24-2008, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Omega_Man

Or do you???????

I would say yes. A 480i SDTV won't be able to take advantage of the 960p or upscaling to 1080p that SRT is capable of.

I've seen people say that they hooked up their BD player to their old SDTV though and saw an improvement, so who knows

Lee Stewart · 07-24-2008, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Omega_Man

Or do you???????

SRT is only going to work over an HDMI connection - like Upconversion does.

BD's increased PQ only works over an HD connection - HDMI/Component.

Is someone going to buy a $400 BD player to use on their NTSC TV?

If you attach a S-video cable to an UP DVD player - you get nothing more than an NTSC signal - it sidesteps the UP process.

Lee Stewart · 07-24-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by anythingwt

I would say yes. A 480i SDTV won't be able to take advantage of the 960p or upscaling to 1080p that SRT is capable of.

I've seen people say that they hooked up their BD player to their old SDTV though and saw an improvement, so who knows

Sure it's an improvement over DVD . . . but it ain't HD.

Super XP · 07-24-2008, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by anythingwt

I would say yes. A 480i SDTV won't be able to take advantage of the 960p or upscaling to 1080p that SRT is capable of.

I've seen people say that they hooked up their BD player to their old SDTV though and saw an improvement, so who knows

Maybe Component Video will look great when hooked up to a SDTV but Composite and S-Video will not IMO when viewing BD or HD DVD.

Dare · 07-25-2008, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

I see it differently. It's a good business move on Toshiba's part - do everything they can to extend the life of DVD. They are making a ton of money on DVD every year in IP's. Keep that goose that is laying the golden eggs alive for as long as you can.

My statement was in response to SuperXP's contention that Toshiba's SR will help HD and Blu-ray. So, you don't see it differently. You actually agree with me...

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

If they don't care then why should they care about BD?

They don't.

anythingwt · 07-25-2008, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

Maybe Component Video will look great when hooked up to a SDTV but Composite and S-Video will not IMO when viewing BD or HD DVD.

HD DVD or BD hooked up via composite will look far from great on an old tube SDTV, but I've still read that there's an improvement. As Lee said, it's not HD, but it does still look better(not sure how)

I'd try it out but I don't own an SDTV anymore.

Dare · 07-25-2008, 01:18 AM

That would be interesting, considering that SD CRTs can't even resolve all of DVD's resolution. Maybe the improvement people are seeing with Blu-ray is actually just a better quality transfer. A lot of DVDs are pretty awful.

Super XP · 07-25-2008, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by anythingwt

HD DVD or BD hooked up via composite will look far from great on an old tube SDTV, but I've still read that there's an improvement. As Lee said, it's not HD, but it does still look better(not sure how)

I'd try it out but I don't own an SDTV anymore.

That is just my point, their is no inprovement in PQ. I already tested this out on my tube SDTV with my HD DVD player. I hooked it up via Composite and the PQ looked like shit. Component looked much better. Even my regular DVD player made the SD DVD version of the movie look better via composite video vs. the HD DVD using composite video.

But when using composite video on my 46" HDTV it did look a lot better than the SDTV PQ.

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