Why did HD DVD lose the Format War!!!

bmore · 07-24-2008, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I know it Mike, just when we thought it was nice and quiet bmore comes back from his "vacation" with a stick up his a@@ and hatt seems to be on a permanent period.

And what exactly excludes you from the same type of judgement?

This is now the 2nd time that you have called me out.

You are contributing to the same behavior. So...stop calling me out. I make salient points on whatever I discuss. Maybe you should adjust your focus to that, instead of this little vendetta you have against me.

Dare · 07-24-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ack_bak

Keep in mind that for most movies the studios are still in the negative for covering the cost of making and marketing their movies after releasing them in the theaters. That is why packaged media (DVD+BD) along with downloads and VOD are so essential to the studios. $200m, 500m, 700m, etc may not sound like much money but it could be the difference in studios losing money and making money when you combine all their costs. And Blu-Ray (along with DD, and VOD) are growing.

Movie costs (making, marketing, releasing movies) have skyrocketed in recent years, and I know Warner has gone on record stating that they will be cutting back on the number of theatrical releases they will be releasing and will be focusing more on Blu-Ray and VOD revenue streams.

Hollywood is definitely spending way too much on movies.

But also keep in mind that one studio doesn't get the entire revenue from the Blu-ray format. That number is the combined revenue of every title from every studio. Warner may have spent a lot to get their $200 million from Dark Knight, but what Warner made on every title they released on Blu-ray combined (and there are a lot) is only a minor fraction of the $200 million that Blu-ray made as a whole. Divide that further to revenues for individual titles, and the numbers get pretty small. So, if you look at it that way, my comparison was unfairly biased in favor of Blu-ray.

Stew4HD · 07-24-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I know it Mike, just when we thought it was nice and quiet bmore comes back from his "vacation" with a stick up his a@@ and hatt seems to be on a permanent period.

Thanks for saying what I was about to say. IMO, how hard is it for those that disagree with the OP to just disagree and let it go? I dunno

HD Goofnut · 07-24-2008, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Stew4HD

Thanks for saying what I was about to say. IMO, how hard is it for those that disagree with the OP to just disagree and let it go? I dunno

I miss the good old days Stew, when people posting disagreed and said if you don't like it then too bad. Then that would be the end of it. It was like that about 80% of the time until the format war ended and bmore showed up not long after.

bmore · 07-24-2008, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I miss the good old days Stew, when people posting disagreed and said if you don't like it then too bad. Then that would be the end of it. It was like that about 80% of the time until the format war ended and bmore showed up not long after.

3rd time calling me out. NOTED.

I am not the sole problem buddy.

Spread the blame please.

ack_bak · 07-24-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dare

Hollywood is definitely spending way too much on movies.

But also keep in mind that one studio doesn't get the entire revenue from the Blu-ray format. That number is the combined revenue of every title from every studio. Warner may have spent a lot to get their $200 million from Dark Knight, but what Warner made on every title they released on Blu-ray combined (and there are a lot) is only a minor fraction of the $200 million that Blu-ray made as a whole. Divide that further to revenues for individual titles, and the numbers get pretty small. So, if you look at it that way, my comparison was unfairly biased in favor of Blu-ray.

But you are just focusing on Blu-Ray. Studios are distributing their movies via VOD, downloads, and oh yeah, DVD

Blu-Ray is just another avenue to make more revenue and profit and it has higher margins than DVD (so does VOD and downloads). If you look through the weekly HMM numbers you see that many new releases on Blu-Ray are capturing 8-12% of the home video market. Some catalog titles are well over that percentage. And Blu-Ray is growing. It has nowhere to go but up.

I don't think it is possible for Blu-Ray to match the popularity of DVD. There are too many major obstacles, but the biggest is the fact that HDTV owners are still the minority. Secondary is the fact that studios are also pushing VOD and downloads more and more. I see DVD for a long time to come unless the studios, CE's, and retailers decide to force consumers in another direction(s). Which could happen when you read some of the latest comments from Warner and Sony. But none of this will happen overnight. If it happens at all.

vikingfan · 07-24-2008, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I know it Mike, just when we thought it was nice and quiet bmore comes back from his "vacation" with a stick up his a@@ and hatt seems to be on a permanent period.

And your insults add so much to this discussion.

HD Goofnut · 07-24-2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by vikingfan

And your insults add so much to this discussion.

And your 79 posts have contributed absolutely nothing to this entire forum. All you do is belittle people just like bmore. You two should be banned permanently.

bmore · 07-24-2008, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

And your 79 posts have contributed absolutely nothing to this entire forum. All you do is belittle people just like bmore. You two should be banned permanently.

Lee called Kamspy a total schmuck recently. He has said much worse.

WHERE IS/WAS YOUR OUTRAGE THEN????

All I see are double standards....

4th time you have called me out BTW....

Keep going.

Dare · 07-24-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ack_bak

But you are just focusing on Blu-Ray.

Now you're catching on...

Nikopol · 07-24-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bmore

Lee called Kamspy a total schmuck recently. He has said much worse.

WHERE IS/WAS YOUR OUTRAGE THEN????

All I see are double standards....

4th time you have called me out BTW....

Keep going.

Afaik "schmuck" can mean quite a few things and in that case i thought it was meant as "fool". I think Kam will live (not saying he is a fool, but that isn't much of an insult around here imo).

Please, let's not put Lee up for trial here in the open.

You guys can do as you please and i know bmore, right now you are defending yourself. And imo rightly so, because only one side of the "problem" has been mentioned, imo unfairly.

It always seems to be the same group of people, that constantly takes the discussions from arguments to personal fights. That whole group is to blame for not taking the high road, it doesn't matter who started it.

Lee has promised to stop it. Will the rest be able to do it as well?

Dare · 07-24-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikopol

Lee has promised to stop it. Will the rest be able to do it as well?

Well, to be fair, Lee shouldn't promise to stop. He should just stop. It's almost magical how quickly these fights go away when you just stop.

Not picking on Lee. Everybody should stop.

Super XP · 07-24-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by schill4toshiba

Hey, I'll target anyone who's being an asshole. I'm not very selective in that process.

Agreed.

Now people can we all just get along in this thread and in the forums. Anyway who on earth started this thread anyway?

I did and for a very good reason. Let's have intelligent conversation. Whether you agree with the blog or whatever it is or you don’t, I would love to hear your input and opinion. But the name calling and bashing must go away please.

Now let’s discuss and have fun OK.

Super XP · 07-24-2008, 12:54 PM

Do you know what I truly think? If Toshiba pulls this Super Resolution DVD players off this can have an extremely positive effect on High Definition overall including a spike in Blu-Ray sales.

You got to think out of the box, who knows if it’s that good maybe Toshiba will licence the technology for HDTV’s and BD players. It’s up in the air, so nobody really knows.

As for this topic, well it makes for a great read. Nobody really knows what happened behind the doors we can only speculate at this time. But IMO Sony paid their way to destroy HD DVD in every way possible by bribes and pay-offs. Remember folks this is my opinion. HD DVD had a hand in their own fate in terms of stupid marketing and lack of overall interest IMO.

Sony is well known for doing shit like this all the time and more people do not trust Sony than the once which do.

Nikopol · 07-24-2008, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by schill4toshiba

Oooh, deja vu. Hasn't that been promised many, many times before?

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Originally Posted by Dare

Well, to be fair, Lee shouldn't promise to stop. He should just stop. It's almost magical how quickly these fights go away when you just stop.

Not picking on Lee. Everybody should stop.

It has been promised before and the promise was broken. What's done, is done. It's the interwebz, no puppies were harmed.

It would be great, if we could now go forward and leave the personal fights behind us once and for all. Just stop, as Dare says. Those who have constantly been in the middle of the fights need to realize they are the problem and only they can end it.

07-24-2008, 12:54 PM	#149
Super XP Star Trek: The Movie! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto, ON. Canada Posts: 5,776	Do you know what I truly think? If Toshiba pulls this Super Resolution DVD players off this can have an extremely positive effect on High Definition overall including a spike in Blu-Ray sales. You got to think out of the box, who knows if it’s that good maybe Toshiba will licence the technology for HDTV’s and BD players. It’s up in the air, so nobody really knows. As for this topic, well it makes for a great read. Nobody really knows what happened behind the doors we can only speculate at this time. But IMO Sony paid their way to destroy HD DVD in every way possible by bribes and pay-offs. Remember folks this is my opinion. HD DVD had a hand in their own fate in terms of stupid marketing and lack of overall interest IMO. Sony is well known for doing shit like this all the time and more people do not trust Sony than the once which do. __________________ Toshiba Regza 46" HDTV (46RF350U) LCD 1080p/24p Toshiba HD-A35 / HD-A3 / XD-E500 LG GGC-H20L Super Multi / PC Drive Onkyo TX-SR605 7.1 TrueHD/DTS HD MA Precision Acoustics™ 8Ch. Hi Def Loudspeaker Series DVD's = 200 = 130 = 10

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