Toshiba's first showing of SRT receives mocking from journalists "Fanciful nonsense"

07-09-2008, 02:49 AM

I find the whole thing very amusing.

Am a bit worried about the low quality of the screenshots (like Dare's examples, or this online demo with all the flaws that i was told to ignore, or the probably fake "surfer" photos). I wonder when someone will actually see some real improvement with a retail DVD, and not only some "SRT/SUC optimized" demo we can believe or not. Of course the SRT/SUC fans will tell me to "just wait" so i am "just waiting".

iDarren · 07-09-2008, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikopol

Of course the SRT/SUC fans will tell me to "just wait" so i am "just waiting".

Maybe they could follow their own advice...

Chris Gerhard · 07-09-2008, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by iDarren

This whole SRT thing is starting to get really tired. I'm sick of hearing all the talk and promises and blatant sales pitches about a non existent product. I'm not anti SRT (I own well over 100 DVD's and wouldn't mind better PQ on them), but the constant killer Blu ray app approach is starting to make me laugh. I think the saying "put up or shut up" applies.

I am skeptical about the whole process but what I don't like is the nonsense about consumers finding this DVD scaling process making Blu-ray unnecessary. I am open minded regarding whether or not the process can improve upon current technology which I think makes DVD look great, but not anything at all like Blu-ray. My Samsung BD-P1200 is my player of choice, it was very inexpensive, but I don't see any improvement at all compared to the HD-XA2 and only very minor improvement compared to the HD-A20 or Oppo DV-980H. DVD playback can only be so good and incremental improvements can only be very minor from this point forward is what I expect to find.

As far as further arguments about this non-existent product, it isn't going to be fruitful. The products will either show up or they won't show up and the products will live up to the hype or they won't. We can't know much until some products are in consumer's hands. I remain firmly in the skeptical, but hopeful, group.

Chris

brenner · 07-09-2008, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard

I am skeptical about the whole process but what I don't like is the nonsense about consumers finding this DVD scaling process making Blu-ray unnecessary. I am open minded regarding whether or not the process can improve upon current technology which I think makes DVD look great, but not anything at all like Blu-ray. My Samsung BD-P1200 is my player of choice, it was very inexpensive, but I don't see any improvement at all compared to the HD-XA2 and only very minor improvement compared to the HD-A20 or Oppo DV-980H. DVD playback can only be so good and incremental improvements can only be very minor from this point forward is what I expect to find.

As far as further arguments about this non-existent product, it isn't going to be fruitful. The products will either show up or they won't show up and the products will live up to the hype or they won't. We can't know much until some products are in consumer's hands. I remain firmly in the skeptical, but hopeful, group.

Chris

Your second paragraph pretty much sums it up.
Show up or not show up. That is the $64 question.

Lee Stewart · 07-09-2008, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by brenner

Your second paragraph pretty much sums it up.
Show up or not show up. That is the $64 question.

Well - seeing as how the last info said; "by years end" we will have quite some time to wait . . .

Which for many here seems to be a problem - that patience thing.

The IFA show is at the end of August so that could be a place that Toshiba unviels their SR DVD player.

Deja Vu · 07-09-2008, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by iDarren

This whole SRT thing is starting to get really tired. I'm sick of hearing all the talk and promises and blatant sales pitches about a non existent product. I'm not anti SRT (I own well over 100 DVD's and wouldn't mind better PQ on them), but the constant killer Blu ray app approach is starting to make me laugh. I think the saying "put up or shut up" applies.

Yes, you're right! And you could say exactly the same thing about all the negatives and blatant dissing on an non-existent product - the constant "Toshiba screwed up yet again" is getting really tiresome. Of course no one is forcing you to read any of this - period.

edders · 07-09-2008, 07:57 AM

only 100 dvd's...(laugh)...hell we have that many under the couch! Seriously, we have not counted but lets say upwards of 1000. Some are movies or events that will never make it to HD-DVD

ok ok ok...OR BR! The utility of such a device is there for videophiles with large DVD collections. Plus, as have preached before, SRT on a DVD player is just the start of its usefulness in future HT products.

MIND YOU...IF IT WORKS AS ADVERTISED!

HD Goofnut · 07-09-2008, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JustEd

only 100 dvd's...(laugh)...hell we have that many under the couch! Seriously, we have not counted but lets say upwards of 1000. Some are movies or events that will never make it to HD-DVD

ok ok ok...OR BR! The utility of such a device is there for videophiles with large DVD collections. Plus, as have preached before, SRT on a DVD player is just the start of its usefulness in future HT products.

MIND YOU...IF IT WORKS AS ADVERTISED!

That's my feeling on SRT as well. I figure that if it only looks slightly better than upcoversion from an HD DVD or BD player then it's not worth the money. Now if this SRT makes it where SD DVDs look as good as BD then yeah I would probably buy into SRT, but I wouldn't pay more than $100-150 for one.

LonnyE · 07-09-2008, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by iDarren

This whole SRT thing is starting to get really tired. I'm sick of hearing all the talk and promises and blatant sales pitches about a non existent product. I'm not anti SRT (I own well over 100 DVD's and wouldn't mind better PQ on them), but the constant killer Blu ray app approach is starting to make me laugh. I think the saying "put up or shut up" applies.

Who's fault is it that you are tired of reading about SRT? Is someone forcing you to read this or the other SRT thread?

iDarren · 07-09-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Deja Vu

Yes, you're right! And you could say exactly the same thing about all the negatives and blatant dissing on an non-existent product - the constant "Toshiba screwed up yet again" is getting really tiresome. Of course no one is forcing you to read any of this - period.

And no one is forcing you to read "Toshiba screwed up yet again"

iDarren · 07-09-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LonnyE

Who's fault is it that you are tired of reading about SRT? Is someone forcing you to read this or the other SRT thread?

No, but it is not just in these 2 threads that it comes up

Lee Stewart · 07-09-2008, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by iDarren

No, but it is not just in these 2 threads that it comes up

Yet here you are - posting AGAIN in the SRT related thread.

Mind if I call you a Hypocrite - I mean if the shoe fits . . . . wear it.

iDarren · 07-09-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Yet here you are - posting AGAIN in the SRT related thread.

Mind if I call you a Hypocrite - I mean if the shoe fits . . . . wear it.

mind if I call you a FUDster and a lier

DeadmeatHD · 07-09-2008, 08:34 PM

Second Opinion of Same UK Toshiba Super Upconversion Demo

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We've just had one of the first working demos of Toshiba's new QuadCore laptop range, two of which feature 'Blu-ray rivalling' upscalers to deliver High-def pics without having to fork out for the compatible next-gen Blu-ray discs. And amongst howls of derision from certain rude, aged members of the UK press, the demonstrations looked pretty damn great in our expert opinion. And anything that's going to save us the ignominy of having to replace our entire DVD collection with Blu-ray has to be worth giving a go.

Lee Stewart · 07-09-2008, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by iDarren

mind if I call you a FUDster and a lier

Yes - I do - and it's spelled "liar" - guess that is another one of your sore-points - spelling.

Mine too.

07-09-2008, 07:57 AM	#727
edders Ever Eddy Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,455	Just wanted to say only 100 dvd's...(laugh)...hell we have that many under the couch! Seriously, we have not counted but lets say upwards of 1000. Some are movies or events that will never make it to HD-DVD ok ok ok...OR BR! The utility of such a device is there for videophiles with large DVD collections. Plus, as have preached before, SRT on a DVD player is just the start of its usefulness in future HT products. MIND YOU...IF IT WORKS AS ADVERTISED!

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Nikopol Guest Posts: n/a	I find the whole thing very amusing. Am a bit worried about the low quality of the screenshots (like Dare's examples, or this online demo with all the flaws that i was told to ignore, or the probably fake "surfer" photos). I wonder when someone will actually see some real improvement with a retail DVD, and not only some "SRT/SUC optimized" demo we can believe or not. Of course the SRT/SUC fans will tell me to "just wait" so i am "just waiting".