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Old 07-20-2008, 11:54 PM   #136
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Oh, but these sounds are part of playing the instrument, they are there in the recording studio and the microphone is very likely to pick them up. So if they are missing, the recording must be rubbish. (Even if the music itself is total magic or the recording guy chose to set up the microphone to blend them out.)

Anyway i doubt, that removing the grain and some fine details from Patton or other "DNR'ed" titles destroyed the story line and the acting. Granted, it could possibly alter the visual feel of the movie, if one has been able to see a good theatrical presentation of it (which i did not). I also strongly doubt, that the majority will not be able to enjoy watching the film because of missing grain and unspecified missing detail. But i respect, that this might be a big issue on an individual basis for some.

Personally, i am fine with "ignorance is bliss" here. I have no way to compare the films i have on HDM or DVD to any kind of master. Even the theatrical presentations aren't a reference for me, considering how "lossy" the reproduction of the film prints is. Combined with wear and tear of the print and the imo often very poor theater setups, that is hardly a benchmark imo.

So if i know a better version exists (like the UK version of Pan's Labyrith with grain intact), i'll try to get that one. If there is no alternative, i will very likely be able to live with what we have (like GoNY) or not consume at all (like Matrix).

Those who want to fight this issue, more power to you. I recommend less whining on the internet and more direct communication with the one's responsible for deciding, how the films are prepared for release.

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Maybe i am a bit worked up about the sudden influx of guys "questioning" our member 1080PsF here, who stated several times he is not "responsible".
Wow. Great post!

I especially want to point out what I highlighted in red as important parts. I love hearing the delicate nuances of music and when I show off what SACD can do for music I play Floyd's DSoTM and particularly Us and Them because they can hear the the subtle vibration of the reed in the sax and even when the person (name escapes me at the moment) playing this sax takes a breath. That IS a part of the music and gives a better presentation of the music IMO.

I am not a huge fan of a lot of ARTSY FARTSY manipulation of a movie to be intentionally poorer looking myself (like 300), but I can also understand why some DO want it to be as the director intended. I just want a movie to look and sound great myself and could do without as much manipulation of adding ridiculous amounts of grain and extreme contrast levels for the "artsy look". I see things IN REAL LIFE without grain and other such manipulations so I would get "into" a movie more if it looked like I was there watching it live, not manipulated as some directors like to do. That is my on the matter.

As far as newcomers coming here and "questioning" in a derogatory manner a respected member here like 1080PsF, well that just should not be happening. I would request that those who might do this think about having a clean debate/discussion and we will ALL benefit from such an exchange, and leave the derogatory remarks for the other sites they likely post to and not do it HERE.
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Old 07-21-2008, 12:40 AM   #137
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Well...you can certainly exercise your right not to purchase any titles your not happy with and just stick with SD DVD.
I do not think that is what Bruce is saying or what he prefers, but it might be a last resort unfortunately.

He is saying that he does not what to see classics he WANTS to own on HDM to have over zealous DNR applied that harms the detail or creates an unnatural picture. I do not think any of us what that.
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