For 1.3 Million HD DVD customers: What's next?

dobyblue · 02-19-2008, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dare

One thing is for sure, picture in picture is likely dead. The lowest common denominator Blu-ray players can't handle the dual stream variety, and there will be little reason to push the envelope and reduce available space with the redundant encode hack to simulate what HD-DVD can do. Nobody will bother with it anymore.

I can assure you that Warner will be bothering with it. It is an important feature to them regardless of how many people say it's not to the consumer.

No doubt Universal feel the same way.

My contact in the HD Media department at Warner has long since told me that titles like The Matrix WOULD NOT receive a release date until there were profile 1.1 players on market.

If the PS3 is one of the biggest reasons why Blu-ray won and there are now 10 million profile 1.1 players on the market, why would the studios suddenly stop bothering with PIP?

As for the lower Blu-ray players, they can play the 1.1 featurettes as a separate feature. That's what happens when you put War into the DMP-BD10.

dobyblue · 02-19-2008, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

How many people are in China? Studios would be stupid not to jump into CH DVD

The Chinese studios of course, not the Hollywood ones.

dobyblue · 02-19-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bruceames

http://www.betanews.com/article/For_...ext/1203445412

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Nate is so funny:

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Believe it or not, HD DVD is not obsolete

Hmm, yet all profile 1.0 Blu-ray players are right?

Ha, ha. He's such an idiot. Plus it's 1.03 million players, not 1.3 million.

The_Omega_Man · 02-19-2008, 05:41 PM

So does this mean that the moniker HD DVD, now means HD Upconverting DVD player (HDU DVD)?

The_Omega_Man · 02-19-2008, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

If the PS3 is one of the biggest reasons why Blu-ray won and there are now 10 million profile 1.1 players on the market, why would the studios suddenly stop bothering with PIP?

As for the lower Blu-ray players, they can play the 1.1 featurettes as a separate feature. That's what happens when you put War into the DMP-BD10.

The problem is is still how do you assure that your customers will get a consistant user experience?

The_Omega_Man · 02-19-2008, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

Plus it's 1.03 million players, not 1.3 million.

I have seen differnet numbers all over the net. I do believe that if Toshiba even reported anything, that they reported there own products only.

**PFC5** · 02-19-2008, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

I can assure you that Warner will be bothering with it. It is an important feature to them regardless of how many people say it's not to the consumer.

No doubt Universal feel the same way.

My contact in the HD Media department at Warner has long since told me that titles like The Matrix WOULD NOT receive a release date until there were profile 1.1 players on market.

If the PS3 is one of the biggest reasons why Blu-ray won and there are now 10 million profile 1.1 players on the market, why would the studios suddenly stop bothering with PIP?

As for the lower Blu-ray players, they can play the 1.1 featurettes as a separate feature. That's what happens when you put War into the DMP-BD10.

Of course you are correct about this. Studios have already stated that they believe the new interactive features are needed to get consumers to buy into HDM.

I would say that at some point all HD DVD players will essentially just be the equivalent of 1.1 players also unfortunately since studios will not leave these servers up as long now. I would be surprised if they are still up at year end IMO. That means that in essence, ALL HD DVD players would be considered "obsolete" if 1.1 BD players are "obsolete". This may surprise some who think I am so gung ho for HD DVD, but reality is what it is.

I think at this point if someone owns both formats and only one player of each, they should buy the BD version for the future ability to play it in other rooms when the price of BD players go low enough to have them in more rooms in a household.

Of course if you have multiple HD DVD players and only one BD player, that makes things much tougher to decide which to buy. It is a individual choice we all will have to make.

The_Omega_Man · 02-19-2008, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by PFC5

I would say that at some point all HD DVD players will essentially just be the equivalent of 1.1 players also unfortunately since studios will not leave these servers up as long now. I would be surprised if they are still up at year end IMO. That means that in essence, ALL HD DVD players would be considered "obsolete" if 1.1 BD players are "obsolete". This may surprise some who think I am so gung ho for HD DVD, but reality is what it is.

Uh PFC5 did you mean Profile 2.0 and not 1.1? To my knowledge profile 1.1 only players can not utilize Internet based servers for interactive features and downloads, the way that all HD DVD players can. Or did I misunderstand what you were saying completely. *snif*,*snif*

**bruceames** · 02-19-2008, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard

300,000 with HD DVD drives in computers? I thought Super XP stated the number was 5,000,000? Does anybody believe more than a million players are needed for 10,000,000 HD DVD's? Should China build 9,000,000 HD DVD players so everybody can have one player for each disc? China isn't going to build HD DVD players and the Chinese CH DVD has been dealt a death blow as well. China is going to be manufacturing Blu-ray players.

Chris

What makes you believe that no more HD DVDs will be made?

ClashFan · 02-19-2008, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dare

One thing is for sure, picture in picture is likely dead. The lowest common denominator Blu-ray players can't handle the dual stream variety, and there will be little reason to push the envelope and reduce available space with the redundant encode hack to simulate what HD-DVD can do. Nobody will bother with it anymore.

I hope you are wrong about that. I really like PiP and view it as a "next gen" feature.

**PFC5** · 02-19-2008, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Omega_Man

Uh PFC5 did you mean Profile 2.0 and not 1.1? To my knowledge profile 1.1 only players can not utilize Internet based servers for interactive features and downloads, the way that all HD DVD players can. Or did I misunderstand what you were saying completely. *snif*,*snif*

I mean that if the studios shut down the servers that provide the internet content for HD DVD movie discs, at the end of the year (speculation, but likely at some future point), having players with internet interactivity built into the players won't matter without those servers providing the content for them

They will still play the PIP, etc content that is on the discs, but if the servers are gone, there is no content for the 2.0 (internet interactivity features on the discs/players.

I didn't like writing this, but it is basically the way I see it going at some point.

Dare · 02-19-2008, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tomes

That's a requirement in profile 1.1, which is now mandatory, so it won't die. (unless the studios stop implementing it)

Well, that's what I'm saying. The studios are going to tailor their releases to the lowest common denominator. There are a lot of Blu-ray players out there that won't support profile 1.1, which means the lowest common denominator is profile 1.0. And since discs will be aiming at 1.0, there is less reason for CEs to support 1.1. Catch 22. Remember, profile 1.1 isn't supposed to replace 1.0, it's supposed to coexist in a tiered system.

Qbfinest83 · 02-19-2008, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PFC5

Of course you are correct about this. Studios have already stated that they believe the new interactive features are needed to get consumers to buy into HDM.

I would say that at some point all HD DVD players will essentially just be the equivalent of 1.1 players also unfortunately since studios will not leave these servers up as long now. I would be surprised if they are still up at year end IMO. That means that in essence, ALL HD DVD players would be considered "obsolete" if 1.1 BD players are "obsolete". This may surprise some who think I am so gung ho for HD DVD, but reality is what it is.

I think at this point if someone owns both formats and only one player of each, they should buy the BD version for the future ability to play it in other rooms when the price of BD players go low enough to have them in more rooms in a household.

Of course if you have multiple HD DVD players and only one BD player, that makes things much tougher to decide which to buy. It is a individual choice we all will have to make.

UMMM couldnt they leave the servers on. If I remember correctly each company had there own interface for username and login (At least warner did) Wouldnt they need those same servers for the BD Live I wouldnt think they would be incompatible unless its the HDI or BDJava thing but I thought that was a client side a app not server side

preFUR · 02-19-2008, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dare

Well, that's what I'm saying. The studios are going to tailor their releases to the lowest common denominator. There are a lot of Blu-ray players out there that won't support profile 1.1, which means the lowest common denominator is profile 1.0. And since discs will be aiming at 1.0, there is less reason for CEs to support 1.1. Catch 22. Remember, profile 1.1 isn't supposed to replace 1.0, it's supposed to coexist in a tiered system.

I am sure some releases on blu ray will be tailored to the lowest common denominator, just as there are STILL new dvd releases in "full-frame" and no special features for part of the Walmart and Target demographic.

However, that still leaves room for special editions with added content. Since this tactic has been used extensively with standard DVD, I wouldn't be surprised to see the studios continue such practices with blu ray.

1.1 does replace 1.0 as far as manufacturing of players is concerned, because the date for 1.0 has passed (1.0 was the "interim" profile, 1.1 is the "final" profile, 2.0 is the "optional" profile, 3.0 is the "optional, audio only" profile). Obviously, the content on the disc media is up to the studios, but players must at least support 1.1 going forward.

firestar120 · 02-19-2008, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Super XP

How many people are in China? Studios would be stupid not to jump into CH DVD

Yes, I agree with that, but barely, if not any, retailers would bother with it. The retailers HATE format wars and will try to stay away from more formats. Just my

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