Full HD or HD ready

OneFinn · 02-15-2008, 04:43 AM

Hi HD movie folks,

After watching by this forum for a while it 's obvious that people here are serious movie fans and have seen lots of movies from different displays with different resolutions.

I'd guess that many of you have had the chance to compare the quality of HD both with Full HD LCD tv's and with HD Ready LCD tv's.

According to several sources with quite solid "scientific" proofs claim that with, say, 37" to 40" displays, human eye cannot distinguish the difference between FullHD and HD ready quality difference unless watched from very close distance.

So, if I'd watch a movie from a distance of approx. 9-10 feets, should I select FullHD LCD or would I get the same quality from HD Ready.

Kids have PS3 and a 32" HD Ready TV that I've "tested" with few movies. Looks great compared to my 20 years old 26" CRT tv that has bypassed the "best before" date long ago and I'm about to replace it with a receiver.

Thanks in advance, this forum has provided a lot of useful information, well..excluding the quite furious format war discussions..

oblioman · 02-15-2008, 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneFinn

Hi HD movie folks,

After watching by this forum for a while it 's obvious that people here are serious movie fans and have seen lots of movies from different displays with different resolutions.

I'd guess that many of you have had the chance to compare the quality of HD both with Full HD LCD tv's and with HD Ready LCD tv's.

According to several sources with quite solid "scientific" proofs claim that with, say, 37" to 40" displays, human eye cannot distinguish the difference between FullHD and HD ready quality difference unless watched from very close distance.

So, if I'd watch a movie from a distance of approx. 9-10 feets, should I select FullHD LCD or would I get the same quality from HD Ready.

Kids have PS3 and a 32" HD Ready TV that I've "tested" with few movies. Looks great compared to my 20 years old 26" CRT tv that has bypassed the "best before" date long ago and I'm about to replace it with a receiver.

Thanks in advance, this forum has provided a lot of useful information, well..excluding the quite furious format war discussions..

Welcome to the HD Forum OneFinn!! Me not be sure of how they advertise in your beautiful country, but stateside, HD ready means that a TV is capable of HD but needs an external HD ATSC box. Fully HD means that the TV has the ATSC tuner included in the TV and will play back HD without an external source. Most LCD's sold today are HD ready, meaning that they do include an ATSC tuner. If you be watching your tube from 9-10 feet, me only suggestion would be to go with a minimum of a 46" screen - and don't be cheap on your audio system. The newer codecs coupled with lossless audio make HD viewing an immersive experience. Rule of thumb that me follows - spend an equal amount on your audio as you do your video. You will not regret!!

Dr. Jones · 02-15-2008, 05:00 AM

I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Are you talking about an HD Ready TV that doesn't have an HD Tuner?

And what is the definition of Full HD, one that does have an HD Tuner?

Ok I'll cut to the chase, 720p is fine for 10 feet away at 37-40 inches. At 3-5 feet 1080p will make a difference.

Nikopol · 02-15-2008, 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneFinn

Hi HD movie folks,

After watching by this forum for a while it 's obvious that people here are serious movie fans and have seen lots of movies from different displays with different resolutions.

I'd guess that many of you have had the chance to compare the quality of HD both with Full HD LCD tv's and with HD Ready LCD tv's.

According to several sources with quite solid "scientific" proofs claim that with, say, 37" to 40" displays, human eye cannot distinguish the difference between FullHD and HD ready quality difference unless watched from very close distance.

So, if I'd watch a movie from a distance of approx. 9-10 feets, should I select FullHD LCD or would I get the same quality from HD Ready.

Kids have PS3 and a 32" HD Ready TV that I've "tested" with few movies. Looks great compared to my 20 years old 26" CRT tv that has bypassed the "best before" date long ago and I'm about to replace it with a receiver.

Thanks in advance, this forum has provided a lot of useful information, well..excluding the quite furious format war discussions..

Hi!

All i can say about this is, the pq a display can deliver is defined by much more than just the resolution. In fact, the resolution imo is not the most important factor (if it´s between a 720p or a 1080p display). Other things to consider are for example contrast, correct color reproduction, quality of the internal electronics like the scaler and deinterlacer etc.

Personally i would chose an excellent 720p display over a mediocre 1080p display anytime.

MikeRox · 02-15-2008, 05:10 AM

In Europe HD Ready means the TV must be capable of at least 720p and have at least 1 HDMI input. There are a couple of other rules they have to comply to, to be able to be classed as HD Ready too.

True HD/Full HD is a TV capable of 1080p, but that is something the manufacturers are pimping rather than it being legislation.

iDarren · 02-15-2008, 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeRox

In Europe HD Ready means the TV must be capable of at least 720p and have at least 1 HDMI input. There are a couple of other rules they have to comply to, to be able to be classed as HD Ready too.

True HD/Full HD is a TV capable of 1080p, but that is something the manufacturers are pimping rather than it being legislation.

Yes same as Australia.

The OP means 720p vs 1080p ("hd ready" being 720 and "full hd" being 1080).

MikeRox · 02-15-2008, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikopol

Personally i would chose an excellent 720p display over a mediocre 1080p display anytime.

Indeed. A decent 720p can be far better than a poor 1080p. You certainly tend to get what you pay for with LCD panels. Those piss poor early Samsung HDTVs (particularly the 26" that was pimped as ideal for the Xbox 360 on launch) have really given a lot of gamers I know a sour opinion of HD displays with them drawing the conclusion that any SD content always looks terrible on a HD display (whereas we know it's down to how good the equipment is) and they also ended up with the misguided opinion that component is handled very poorly through HD displays, yet on mine Component is displays pretty much as well as HDMI.

I really can't stress how important it is to spend a little bit extra on a decent panel rather than just going for the biggest/highest resolution display you can get for the price.

OneFinn · 02-15-2008, 05:27 AM

Thanks,

I knew that I'd get rapid responses..

We don't have HD-level broadcasting here yet (except for Canal+ and Viasat through cable or satellite) and it's gonna take a long while before that will happen, so buying a tv with HD tuner is waste of money if one would only watch free broadcasts.

So, the primary goal in this case is to watch HD movies through HDMI, normal tv broadcasts are low quality anyway ( content also..). I agree, as some of you already said, that resolution is not the only thing to consider, but there is still quite a price difference between Full HD and HD Ready tv's and I'd like to spend my €'s to right things..

Oblioman, thanks for nice comment concerning Finland. We used to have beautiful winters here, but this damned climate chance has wiped all snow away except in Lappland. Nowadays it is just wet, cold and dark..perfect time to watch movies..

oblioman · 02-15-2008, 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneFinn

Thanks,

I knew that I'd get rapid responses..

We don't have HD-level broadcasting here yet (except for Canal+ and Viasat through cable or satellite) and it's gonna take a long while before that will happen, so buying a tv with HD tuner is waste of money if one would only watch free broadcasts.

So, the primary goal in this case is to watch HD movies through HDMI, normal tv broadcasts are low quality anyway ( content also..). I agree, as some of you already said, that resolution is not the only thing to consider, but there is still quite a price difference between Full HD and HD Ready tv's and I'd like to spend my €'s to right things..

Oblioman, thanks for nice comment concerning Finland. We used to have beautiful winters here, but this damned climate chance has wiped all snow away except in Lappland. Nowadays it is just wet, cold and dark..perfect time to watch movies..

What me knows about the Finnish people is that you be stout and strong of heart, tenacious and long lived due to your clean climate. It is sad to hear that your wonderful winters have changed due to climate changes. Either we believe or not believe that modern day habits have caused the climate change, me tends to believe that mankind can fix it by going "green". Permit me to infuse a bit of humor- Does onefinn mean that you swim in circles? Just thought me would ask.

Nikopol · 02-15-2008, 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneFinn

Thanks,

I knew that I'd get rapid responses..

We don't have HD-level broadcasting here yet (except for Canal+ and Viasat through cable or satellite) and it's gonna take a long while before that will happen, so buying a tv with HD tuner is waste of money if one would only watch free broadcasts.

So, the primary goal in this case is to watch HD movies through HDMI, normal tv broadcasts are low quality anyway ( content also..). I agree, as some of you already said, that resolution is not the only thing to consider, but there is still quite a price difference between Full HD and HD Ready tv's and I'd like to spend my €'s to right things..

Oblioman, thanks for nice comment concerning Finland. We used to have beautiful winters here, but this damned climate chance has wiped all snow away except in Lappland. Nowadays it is just wet, cold and dark..perfect time to watch movies..

Sounds like your HDTV broadcasts are about as "exciting" as they are here in Germany....

If you want to watch normal SDTV broadcasts as well, be sure to test how the display handles this. Don´t rely on "tests" but try to see it with your own eyes. I have seen some really ugly SDTV on HDTVs, because the deinterlacing and the upscaling was terrible. Be sure to try and read up on what kind of artefacts to look for, if you haven´t done so yet.

OneFinn · 02-15-2008, 05:44 AM

Oblioman,

My floating properties on water are quite slim, so it's better to swim in circles..

I must ask...does onefinn mean something special in your part of the world..

MikeRox · 02-15-2008, 05:50 AM

Sounds a bit like us. We're never going to get HD OTA broadcasts, the only access to HD channels is going to be via Satallite and it sounds like that is always going to be the case. Though the BBC and ITV are doing a joint venture called Free Sat, which will be similar to freeview, only broadcast via Satallite. You will need a seperate decoder box which will be approx $400, but there will be no monthly subscription for the service and it will offer more channels than Freeview (our OTA digital TV service) and also have higher bandwidths for all the channels so it sounds good to me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneFinn

Thanks,

I knew that I'd get rapid responses..

We don't have HD-level broadcasting here yet (except for Canal+ and Viasat through cable or satellite) and it's gonna take a long while before that will happen, so buying a tv with HD tuner is waste of money if one would only watch free broadcasts.

So, the primary goal in this case is to watch HD movies through HDMI, normal tv broadcasts are low quality anyway ( content also..). I agree, as some of you already said, that resolution is not the only thing to consider, but there is still quite a price difference between Full HD and HD Ready tv's and I'd like to spend my €'s to right things..

Oblioman, thanks for nice comment concerning Finland. We used to have beautiful winters here, but this damned climate chance has wiped all snow away except in Lappland. Nowadays it is just wet, cold and dark..perfect time to watch movies..

Dr. Jones · 02-15-2008, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeRox

In Europe HD Ready means the TV must be capable of at least 720p and have at least 1 HDMI input. There are a couple of other rules they have to comply to, to be able to be classed as HD Ready too.

True HD/Full HD is a TV capable of 1080p, but that is something the manufacturers are pimping rather than it being legislation.

Ok then yeah I'd say the 720p is going to be fine for you at 9-10 feet away on a 37-40 inch Television.

1080p would only be beneficial if you were willing to go 46+ at that distance.

Oh and thanks MikeRox for clearing that up, appreciate it.

MikeRox · 02-15-2008, 08:16 AM

Hmmm, I'm not so sure you know, I think it's down to individuals as to whether 1080p is worth it.

I have a 32 720p BRAVIA and I can see the individual pixels even sat a few feet away. Especially on video games as they don't have anti aliasing the same.

OneFinn · 02-15-2008, 11:17 AM

Thanks to everyone who took the burden to comment.

It looks that a high quality HD Ready tv is the choice + good audio support.

02-15-2008, 04:43 AM	#1
OneFinn Watching the world Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Finland Posts: 13	Full HD or HD ready Hi HD movie folks, After watching by this forum for a while it 's obvious that people here are serious movie fans and have seen lots of movies from different displays with different resolutions. I'd guess that many of you have had the chance to compare the quality of HD both with Full HD LCD tv's and with HD Ready LCD tv's. According to several sources with quite solid "scientific" proofs claim that with, say, 37" to 40" displays, human eye cannot distinguish the difference between FullHD and HD ready quality difference unless watched from very close distance. So, if I'd watch a movie from a distance of approx. 9-10 feets, should I select FullHD LCD or would I get the same quality from HD Ready. Kids have PS3 and a 32" HD Ready TV that I've "tested" with few movies. Looks great compared to my 20 years old 26" CRT tv that has bypassed the "best before" date long ago and I'm about to replace it with a receiver. Thanks in advance, this forum has provided a lot of useful information, well..excluding the quite furious format war discussions..

02-15-2008, 05:00 AM	#3
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MikeRox Blu Blu Skies! :D Join Date: May 2007 Location: Huddersfield, United Kingdom Posts: 12,417	Hmmm, I'm not so sure you know, I think it's down to individuals as to whether 1080p is worth it. I have a 32 720p BRAVIA and I can see the individual pixels even sat a few feet away. Especially on video games as they don't have anti aliasing the same. __________________ REGION B 4TW! Latest HD additions - I Love You Man - 17 Again - Born on the 4th of July - Paul Blart: Mall Cop - Monsters, Inc. HD Movies - Um... Lost count >_< bout 250 Latest Gaming Additions - Mirrors Edge - Scene It BOS - Wartech: Senko No Ronde - Lego Indiana Jones/Kung Fu Panda 2 pack - Silent Hill

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